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I'm in the market for some classic Disney animated movies to add to my physical collection. I'd heard the streaming versions were garbage due to "current year" censorship, so I did a quick google search to see if the current DVD or Blu Ray were censored, only to discover the Blu Ray versions of the films were horribly botched.

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I couldn't find anything about the DVD versions.

I want to ask, what's the best way to watch these classics in current year?


But it also got me thinking, what other re-releases completely fucked the original material?

I'm no Evangelion fan, but I've heard the Netflix version completely butchered it with a new dub and changing the music.

Star Wars is also messed with constantly, from CGI Jabba to the whole "Han shot first" debacle. I've heard of a fan edit called The De-Specialized Edition which combines footage from various sources to create something as close to a HD version of the original trilogy. I've never seen it, but this documentary about how it was made was interesting.
 
Hmmm, I'm not the best when it comes to finding old gold but I'd try skulking about on the Internet archive movie section, you might find classic disney movies, you might find neocommunist propaganda, or you'll find a jihad video and guides to making IEDs. 2/3 chance for entertainment is worth a dig.
 
yeah, netflix eva didn't pay for Fly Me To The Moon, which shows up once or twice in the show as well as the ending credits of each episode
the dub sucks but why the hell would you watch a dub of Eva lol, you're still going to have to read a shitload of words on the screen regardless of subs

de-specializeds are nice, iirc they're all on archive org

the old Disney shitty blu ray is definitely a thing, not sure what are good alternatives

Babylon 5 was a big ol' mess on DVD, they cropped a lot of shots to fit the widescreen when there was a post production effect, iirc the effects were made 4:3 after the filming was done widescreen.

there's a lot of stuff that has licensed music that doesn't get into the home release, like the kamen rider with DONT THAT SHIT MAKE A NIGGA WANNA JUMP
 
@Judge Dredd Just to note, apparently there's a new/upcoming Cinderella bluray which is finally set to fix the issues present in previous releases.

Here's another bad remaster.... for some reason the first Tenchi Muyo movie, once it got re-released by Right Stuf (the older Pioneer/Geneon release is fine) redid the colors and made them just, all wrong. A blue-haired girl becomes green-haired, a sequence of a sepia-tone film-strip becomes piss yellow....

TV Tropes actually has a whole article on this, called Digital Destruction.

One minor one: all DVD versions of He-Man (1983) have footage missing from the episode Diamond Ray of Disappearance (the first episode), explaining how Orko escapes after Skeletor's attack. The full episode can be found on an old VHS tape called The Greatest Adventures of All. This scene was apparently cut because of a mastering error (the series was, for awhile, owned by people who absolutely did not care, and once better rights holders came along they were forced to just live with what the previous guys had done).

On that note there's plenty of issues with cartoons and sitcoms using syndication edits of episodes versus the original broadcast.

For a case of an actual "remaster," there was a thing called Garfield and Friends Remastered which aired on cartoon Network for a bit... and it was apparently bad.

EDIT: In almost every case, if you're diligent enough you can find rips of older VHS, Laserdisc, or sometimes better DVD releases on archive.org or on torrent sites. When in doubt, that's the direction to go.
 
On that note there's plenty of issues with cartoons and sitcoms using syndication edits of episodes versus the original broadcast.
There's a bunch like that I know of.

For some old sitcom (I think it was Cheers, but I could be wrong) it turned out TV versions had been sped up by 1%. This wasn't really noticeable during casual viewing, but was done so the network could fit in an extra ad in the same time slot.

I've heard the Netflix version of Always Sunny in Philadelphia cut an entire episode due to not being politically correct in current year.

I also remember hearing Gargoyles had part of an episode cut where one of them accidently shoots the cop while playing with her gun. I was told that scene was restored in later versions. I have those episodes downloaded somewhere, and the quality of that one episode is different due to using an older source.

torrent sites. When in doubt, that's the direction to go.
I should figure out torrent sites for old films, TV, and cartoons. I know there are streaming sites, and when I ask people just say "pirate bay", but there's so many old movies that are hard to find these days, or when I do find them the prices are outragous.

Which, related to the points above, all the episodes of Totally Spies are on YouTube, but the quality of some of them are strange. Many have a strange ghosting effect, and others have the wrong aspect ratio.

Babylon 5 was a big ol' mess on DVD, they cropped a lot of shots to fit the widescreen when there was a post production effect, iirc the effects were made 4:3 after the filming was done widescreen.
I don't understand why they don't just release them 4:3. I remember hearing in a Star Trek review that it was common for TV shows to shot and edited on film just for the sake of expedience. Trying to make them widescreen doesn't make sense if you were never intended to see outside of the 4:3 frame.

the dub sucks but why the hell would you watch a dub of Eva lol, you're still going to have to read a shitload of words on the screen regardless of subs
I wouldn't. I don't like it.
 
TV Tropes actually has a whole article on this, called Digital Destruction.
be REALLY fucking careful about trusting TVTards
there's stupid internet jokes I've had a hand in that they claim are really real things
I don't understand why they don't just release them 4:3.
the LDs are the original 4:3 broadcast as far as I know
 
IASIP has 3-4 blackface episodes, I think those are the ones that were cut.
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Yikes. I'd better archive my copy of Tropic Thunder before the SJWs come for that.

The VHS and DVD releases for the Rankin Bass Hobbit had some audio taken out in the fight scene with the spiders. The Hi-Fi Hobbit fan release restores them and can be found on archive.org. The Rankin Bass Hobbit is weird because the original release left out a key scene where the Dwarves see the Wood Elves before being captured by them, and as far as I know, it was never properly animated and included.

I love Jeremy Brett's take on Sherlock Holmes, but the HD version that I totally bought a legitimate copy of *ahem* had the tops and bottoms of the screen cut to make it look widescreen. This has the effect of cutting off parts of the character's heads. For a series that was artfully shot, it seems like an act of vandalism. Does anyone know if there's a Bluray version that preserves the original TV aspect ratio?
 
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To answer your question, with Disney it depends. Heard good things about Cinderella 4k Blu-ray that just came out which corrected issues from from the Blu-ray. However, on the flip side, the Pirates of the Caribbean 4k is worse than the blu ray and the best quality version of The Sword of the Stone was the itunes copy rather than the piss poor blu ray.

Some others to avoid

Predator and Termous blu rays are infamously bad however the bright side is the 4K blu rays of both are really good.

Lord of the Rings 4k is overall less detailed than the Blu-rays of those movies due to the use of DNR.

The original Blu-ray of Terminator 2 is still arguably the best, very outdated but the ones that followed it have all gone overboard with digital noise reduction.

The Warriors on blu ray is the DC, which adds a retarded opening and comic-based scene transitions.

Iron Man great blu ray and was shot on film, 4k used DNR to remove the grain and detail.

The 2006 Pan's Labyrinth the UK Blu-ray of that is still the best one in terms of image quality. No idea why it hasn't been topped, but would think Criterion could have done a better job.

Star Wars The Phantom Menace, this one was shot on film unlike the two follow ups which used early digital film equipment and visually looked like trash. On the blu ray and 4k in order to match the look of the other two, they used DNR and now looks like a waxy mess.

3:10 Yuma remake one of the worst 4ks, blu ray looks far better.


The best tip I can give is, with the big studio it's a mixed bag. But companies like Arrow where the target market is more vocal about video quality, they are normally better.

Also for fan remasters this a pretty good place to keep an eye on

 
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The original Blu-ray of Terminator 2 is still arguably the best, very outdated but the ones that followed it have all gone overboard with digital noise reduction.
I still have the DVD versions of Terminator 2 and Men in Black somewhere. These DVDs were released early in the format's life where they were still being figured out. The amount of extra content for both is staggering and a far cry from today's 10 minute making of featurette and a trailer.

I can't speak to the video quality, but I remember them looking good.

Also for fan remasters this a pretty good place to keep an eye on
Interesting link. I did notice that Disney Beauty and the Beast was on the list. Various versions from a laserdisc to a film print scan that seems to be in limbo. I might look into how to get those at a later date.
 
I still have the DVD versions of Terminator 2 and Men in Black somewhere. These DVDs were released early in the format's life where they were still being figured out. The amount of extra content for both is staggering and a far cry from today's 10 minute making of featurette and a trailer.

I can't speak to the video quality, but I remember them looking good.


Interesting link. I did notice that Disney Beauty and the Beast was on the list. Various versions from a laserdisc to a film print scan that seems to be in limbo. I might look into how to get those at a later date.
Extras are good if you get movies from boutique labels like Arrow or Criterion but main studios rarely care too much.
 
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The Star Trek TOS episodes on streaming are the 2006 ones with cruddy new CGI space effects instead of the retro innovative old 60s ones. The real Mike Matei actually rightfully bitched about this.
The upcoming Master Collections of MGS1+2+3 will have different stock footage probably changing the game since they don't have the rights to them anymore (or never had the rights at all, not sure)
The Warcraft 3 reforged edition, even if you play in classic graphics mode, removes tons of "politically incorrect" joke lines from when you clicked the units too much.
There's "restored" versions of Beavis and Butthead and Daria out there on the high seas with the music removed from the syndication/DVD versions put back in. Same for the Mario Bros Super Show, I think you can find them on Youtube.
Evangelion Netflix dub has troon voicing Shinji, lol
Donnie Darko Directors Cut is absolute ass and I was unfortunate enough to see that version first, basically explains the entire movie like you're a retard as it's happening. Look for the theatrical cut.
Many, and I mean many movies released in the UK had headbutts of all things completely removed for a long while as apparently they were too violent. https://filmstories.co.uk/features/the-bbfc-and-its-war-on-the-headbutt/
 
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Many, and I mean many movies released in the UK had headbutts of all things completely removed for a long while as apparently they were too violent.
I'm in the UK and never heard of that. Though many media from the 80s and 90s removed references to ninjas for the same reason. Most notably Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles became Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. That lunacy seems to have gone away last I checked, though these days it's other forms of lunacy.

When it comes to games, I could rant on at length (and have in other threads). I didn't know about the examples you mentioned though.

One of the most consistent sources for dumb changes in Nintendo Treehouse. The Nintendo America division responsible for translations. They keep changing things from removing content like mini games and outfits, to rewriting scripts to add outdated memes and political commentary. Even re-releases of old games aren't immune. There is a thread about censorship in localization that goes through a bunch in autistic detail. Rockstar games is also know for it's shitty ports, with GTA Definitive Edition being a broken mess that removes songs, downgrades the graphics, and introduces a bunch of bugs.

The Star Trek TOS episodes on streaming are the 2006 ones with cruddy new CGI space effects instead of the retro innovative old 60s ones.
I know that feeling. Every time Red Dwarf is shown on TV, it's the remastered versions that did the same thing.
 
I should figure out torrent sites for old films, TV, and cartoons. I know there are streaming sites, and when I ask people just say "pirate bay", but there's so many old movies that are hard to find these days, or when I do find them the prices are outragous.
Someone here on the farms told me about solidtorrents.to which is one of the main ones I've been using, especially for western animation (it sucks anime gets its own dedicated torrent sites but non-anime cartoons have to share). I found Gargoyles there and the copy I have certainly looks like its from a DVD source, but it has Elisa getting "shot" (even in original broadcast, the impact was not shown, so I'm not sure how the episode would have to be edited--Brooklyn played with her gun, then walked into the kitchen to find one of the bullets he fired off had hit her).

the dub sucks but why the hell would you watch a dub of Eva lol, you're still going to have to read a shitload of words on the screen regardless of subs
This is exactly WHY I would watch a Dub of Eva.... in the later episodes, so much is being said at once that even the Flash couldn't keep up. Its less pressure on me to hear some words and read others.
be REALLY fucking careful about trusting TVTards
there's stupid internet jokes I've had a hand in that they claim are really real things
True, unfortunately at this moment their "Digital Destruction" list is also the ONLY place that has a convenient list of these edited releases, as well as mentions what exactly was changed without you having to weed through a forum thread or a lengthy review. Its out of date on a lot of entries but still, its a starting point.

The VHS and DVD releases for the Rankin Bass Hobbit had some audio taken out in the fight scene with the spiders. The Hi-Fi Hobbit fan release restores them and can be found on archive.org. The Rankin Bass Hobbit is weird because the original release left out a key scene where the Dwarves see the Wood Elves before being captured by them, and as far as I know, it was never properly animated and included.
When it comes to the animated Tolkien trilogy, one thing that always bugged me is the changing of a line of narration for the Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings--the original version (and the VHS I had growing up) ends with a freeze-frame where a narrator says "so ends the first part of the War of the One Ring." On all DVDs I've ever seen though, there's a new narration (which starts when Gandalf tosses his sword into the air--the freeze-frame still happens but its just quiet now) which goes into more detail and gives more finality to the story.

I really wish they had given you the option, because that one change always kinda sneaks up on me. I still have my old VHS but I have no idea how to rip the audio from it and place it over HD footage, and I'm not sure the effort would be worth it for just one line of narration.

Getting back to Rankin-Bass, one thing I've never heard a straight answer on is if their version of Return of the King similarly has missing audio. I don't think it does, but I'm not an expert.

Does anyone know if there's a Bluray version that preserves the original TV aspect ratio?
I'm pretty sure there is and that I've "acquired" it, but I wouldn't know exactly which release it is.

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So a few cases I ran into:

I'm repeating myself, but if you want the full version of the He-Man 1983 episode "Diamond Ray of Disappearance," look for the Greatest Adventures of All VHS.

Super Mario Super Show--some live-action segments are not on DVD due to rights issues. Some of them got on VHS (I have a Legend of Zelda tape that for some reason has the Diana Ross segment) and you can find all of them on Youtube. Not sure if anyone ever did a restoration that put them all back in.

Garfield and Friends--I "acquired" episodes that were supposed to be from the DVDs only to find some intros were missing, apparently on whatever version I have the show keeps using the second intro all the way through.

My Little Pony (the 1980s one, not the one that'll turn you gay)--The first two episodes, "Rescue at Midnight Castle" and "Escape From Katrina" are both syndication edits on DVD. You need the old VHS tapes (or Youtube) to find the full original versions.

Same deal with Rainbow Brite--the first five episodes are syndie on DVD and only uncut on VHS.

Speaking of the version of MLP that will cause aids, apparently one episode was edited because dialogue was considered "Ableist," but the episode got put on a DVD before that happened, so that old DVD has the original version. Anything else will be the PC cut. Its amazing a show made in 2011 even had to be edited to be more PC but there you go.

Care Bears has a similar issue with its first two specials, "CB Battle the Freeze Machine" and "The Land Without Feelings." If you watch and it begins with the theme song from the later TV show seasons, its the syndie edit. (the UK DVDs, to my memory, have the uncut specials).

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1980s)--I've heard this isn't the case on the UK DVDs, but on the US ones, there's a sequence in the second episode (when the Technodrome is firing through rocks) where the screen cuts to black. This is apparently a mastering error. Of course, the old VHS looks fine. Also in general I kinda hate these DVDs because they mash so many episodes onto each disc that you start to see compression issues, but literally all streaming versions use the DVD as a source.

On that note I've heard that the US DVD of the Turtles Forever special is missing a lot of footage, but the UK DVD is complete. Not sure why you'd want that thing to be even longer, but there you go.
 
Though many media from the 80s and 90s removed references to ninjas for the same reason.
You get one dumb kid dying and there's a moral panic. Stuff like A Very Brady Sequel didn't get a cinematic release in the UK because there's a scene with comedic nunchuk violence, and that was automatically verboten.

This is something that fascinates me, and I wish I knew more to help. Off the top of my head though, I can only think of streaming edits, like the Summer of Love getting anything even hinting at blackface removed, including episodes of The Golden Girls. Or Disney stealth-adding CGI hair so you don't see ass in one scene in Splash, or trying to edit out a 50s-risque magazine in Back to the Future Part 2.

That Beavis and Butthead / Daria fan edit stuff is the sort of thing it's great to know about, though.
 
Botched remaster thread, and somehow the ur-example poster child of them all isn't immediately mentioned? That being Disney's insane blu-ray of Sword in the Stone:

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Jesus just looking at these again makes me wince. It's like someone smeared wax over the lens. Absolutely mind-boggling that an office of people saw this and approved it. I have no idea if this was ever resolved, but apparently the digital VUDU copy that it came with was a proper transfer with minimal DNR and in 4:3, to boot.
 
Botched remaster thread, and somehow the ur-example poster child of them all isn't immediately mentioned? That being Disney's insane blu-ray of Sword in the Stone:

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Jesus just looking at these again makes me wince. It's like someone smeared wax over the lens. Absolutely mind-boggling that an office of people saw this and approved it. I have no idea if this was ever resolved, but apparently the digital VUDU copy that it came with was a proper transfer with minimal DNR and in 4:3, to boot.
I gave that a quick mention before, however the odd thing is the itunes version is better
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What Disney did to it was use DNR (digital noise reduction) which removes film grain but also all the details and makes stuff like a waxy blurry mess when heavily used.

An infamous use of it in a live-action movie
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If Star Trek's your bag , the silver gray boxed Director's Cut editions of the first 10 films are decent and have gobs of bonus content.
 
Unfortunately when it comes to studio releases you're kind of at their mercy and it just promotes using piracy. I remember grabbing the Blu of Addams Family Values and the color temperature was fucked with in several scenes so that during the camp scenes the actors look like they have a nuclear tan whereas the Adams all clearly have blue body makeup on and in a few shots you can see where the makeup didn't fully blend.
 
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