British Kiwis: When did your country start to go to shit?

[Diet Purple Pepsi]

I actually like a lot of things about the UK, especially since I was an autist obsessed with Anne Boleyn and Queen Elizabeth for some reason as a kid. And the sense of decorum and tradition when it comes to roles like the Yeoman Warders is weirdly comforting to see, though as an Amerimutt with little knowledge of your country's history as a whole outside of two women I don't know if that applies to the dignity of the army as a whole. And speaking of autism, I really love the old architecture around London and wish I could find a tour ot two all about the design of some of the more notable buildings and palaces before I left the city.
Anyway I'm traveling around the UK and I was wondering when, according to Brits, that your government/country started to lose prominence in the world and became the shitshow it is now. Has it always been this way and the might wielded by leaders was just a series of flukes? Was it after America became more prominent on the world stage?

 

[Coolio55]

Look up Tony Blair. He completely redefined the British legal system.
There were stupid laws before him but he's had a hand in pretty much every modern ill.
Obviously there are more players at work here but he's the figurehead of this change.

 

[Pampered Degenerate]

Basically on the same timeline as the rest of the Western world, including the US. Mass immigration and other globohomo touchstones started after WWII, but shit really started to go downhill during the 90's.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

When their best part broke off.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

 

[DumbDude42]

it all ultimately comes down to them choosing the wrong side in the war

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

After the War. How did England come out of it worse than Germany and Japan?

 

[Beautiful Border]

Most of the problems with British society trace their roots to the 60s, but the rot didn't fully set in until some time in the late 2000s. I'm not even 30 but I still remember when this was a serious country, which makes seeing it in its modern state all the more painful.

 

[Dysnomia]

Look up Tony Blair. He completely redefined the British legal system.
There were stupid laws before him but he's had a hand in pretty much every modern ill.
Obviously there are more players at work here but he's the figurehead of this change.

Is he why you need a loicense for a knoife?

 

[Coolio55]

Is he why you need a loicense for a knoife?

I thought there was a specific act in 2003 or so (It helps that all the mags from around that time were joking about the mass stabbings in london) but I think that may have been one of the speech laws instead.
Take your pick of either the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 which prohibited "[carrying] an offensive weapon on or about the person while in a public place without a lawful authority or reasonable excuse" or the Criminal Justice Act 1988 which contains a long list of prohibited weapons (which has about a single paragraph on regular knives etc before proceeding in great detail with pages and pages on every oriental weapon in existence. Co-incidentially, there was a giant scare about films like Fu Manchu and Enter the Dragon around this time.).
I'd still say he had a significant effect though because the UK legal system is based on lawyers maintaining relationships with judges (who mostly wield ultimate power) and there was a massive culture change going from the 90's into the 2000's.

 

[Santa Fe Swag]

As an American I think when the great empire that was once buit on cups of tea switched to decalf and shrunk back into a goofy euro island nation that nobody in the real world takes seriously might be it.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

It's not just one point. I'm not a Brit, but I can comfortably say things started going to shit in the 80s and 90s across Europe as liberalism spread.

 

[TheShedCollector]

The same time we became tolerant of every degenerate and uneducated tramp who arrived on the underside of an HGV.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

when they put seats in the terraces ...

 

[get_ur_gamon]

1914. The UK (and France) never truly recovered from the Great War. If that never happened the world wouldn't be so fucked. Kaiser Wilhelm II fucked everyone so hard. If he was less of a retard then Germany would have become the dominate European economy naturally. But instead he pissed it away to ruin millions of lives for nothing.

Literally a butterfly effect that ruined everything for everyone.

1. No ww1 means no Russian imperial collapse, and no rise of Communism (just slow moderate reform to the Tsarist system). No mass slaughter of innocents by Communists. Common sense work reform takes it's place.
2. Germany liberalizes over time and there is no ww2 either. Most likely ends up a constitutional monarchy like the UK over time. No cold war either.
3. No great depression. WW1 made the US the largest economy in the world due to the UK's decline, meaning that when American markets crashed, global ones followed. Even if Wall Street crashed, the rest of the world would be less effected as London / Berlin were more important.
4. No decolonisation which lead to endless African and Middle Eastern civil wars. Instead they are liberalised and given proper order. Eventually they will gain more autonomy like Canada / Australia and become fully functioning states.
5. South American states are not couped by the CIA, since the US remains in isolationist paradise. There is no capitalist/ communist world divide so no need for the US to install hard right dictatorships.
6. The UK prospers and the European way of life remains the dominate position, which is the best for everyone.

Practically all problems the UK (and most other countries) face are caused by a knock on effect of WW1.

 

[Muu]

What do you mean?, Things only got better