US C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox - "Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness."

Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness.
The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the director of the agency, acknowledged on Tuesday that vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant carry just as much virus in the nose and throat as unvaccinated people, and may spread it just as readily, if less often.
But the internal document lays out a broader and even grimmer view of the variant.
The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times.
The immediate next step for the agency is to “acknowledge the war has changed,” the document said. Its contents were first reported by The Washington Post on Thursday evening.
The document’s tone reflects alarm among C.D.C. scientists about Delta’s spread across the country, said a federal official who has seen the research described in the document. The agency is expected to publish additional data on the variant on Friday.

“The C.D.C. is very concerned with the data coming in that Delta is a very serious threat that requires action now,” the official said.
There were 71,000 new cases per day on average in the United States, as of Thursday. The new data suggest that vaccinated people are spreading the virus and contributing to those numbers — although probably to a far lesser degree than the unvaccinated.
Dr. Walensky has called transmission by vaccinated people a rare event, but other scientists have suggested it may be more common than once thought.
The agency’s new masking guidelines for vaccinated people, introduced on Tuesday, were based on the information presented in the document. The C.D.C. recommended that vaccinated people wear masks indoors in public settings in communities with high transmission of the virus.
But the internal document hints that even that recommendation may not go far enough. “Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential,” the document said.

The agency’s data suggest that people with weak immune systems should wear masks even in places that do not have high transmission of the virus. So should vaccinated Americans who are in contact with young children, older adults, or otherwise vulnerable people.
There are roughly 35,000 symptomatic infections per week among 162 million vaccinated Americans, according to data collected by the C.D.C. as of July 24 that was cited in the internal presentation. But the agency does not track all mild or asymptomatic infections, so the actual incidence may be higher.
Infection with the Delta variant produces virus amounts in the airways that are tenfold higher than what is seen in people infected with the Alpha variant, which is also highly contagious, the document noted.

The amount of virus in a person infected with Delta is a thousandfold more than what is seen in people infected with the original version of the virus, according to one recent study.
The C.D.C. document relies on data from multiple studies, including an analysis of a recent outbreak in Provincetown, Mass., which began after the town’s Fourth of July festivities. By Thursday, that cluster had grown to 882 cases. About 74 percent were vaccinated, local health officials have said.
Detailed analysis of the spread of cases showed that people infected with Delta carry enormous amounts of virus in their nose and throat, regardless of vaccination status, according to the C.D.C. document.
“This is one of the most impressive examples of citizen science I have seen,” said Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist at Bellevue Hospital Center in New York. “The people involved in the Provincetown outbreak were meticulous in making lists of their contacts and exposures.”
Infection with the Delta variant may be more likely to lead to severe illness, the document noted. Studies from Canada and Scotland found that people infected with the variant are more likely to be hospitalized, while research in Singapore indicated that they are more likely to require oxygen.
Still, the C.D.C.’s figures show that the vaccines are highly effective in preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death in vaccinated people, experts said.

“Overall, Delta is the troubling variant we already knew it was,” said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. “But the sky isn’t falling and vaccination still protects strongly against the worse outcomes.”

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Time to have Delta parties.

All this fear mongering ignoring the extremely low death count of this "new and improved" version. It's doing what virtually all coronaviruses do in terms of mutations, becoming easier to spread, but less deadly.
 
This sounds an awful lot like they’re mourning the fact that they screwed up and lost their window to carrot/stick everyone on the vaccine. At the moment the vaccines came out, they should‘ve said ok, masks off for vaccinated folks, and that would’ve motivated people. But they tried to keep up their bullshit and people got sick of it. And once the masks came off they were not going back on.

So now, they’re trying to use the “delta variant” as a reason why masks just gotta go back on, to re-incentivize vaccines. But nobody who wasn’t still taking them seriously is going to start doing so again. People believe their eyes and personal experiences at this point, and nothing else, really.

And what we see are acceptable death rates. When the death rate gets unacceptable, or the most vulnerable population becomes our children, then we’ll shift. But that’s it.
 
This better not ruin my first visit to a live baseball game in three years.
 
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I want to see actual data, because this makes little sense on a virological level.
 
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YES
WE GET IT
ITS MORE INFECTIOUS!
BUT ANSWER THE GOD DAMN QUESTION ON IF ITS MORE LETHAL OR NOT?! STOP DODGING THE QUESTION EVER FUCKING TIME! YOU LIVING ABORTIONS!

Why yes, I am mad on the internet, why did you ask?
 
So, if it still has a 99% survival rate, I don’t think I should have to worry. The only people that should worry are those that have conditions that would make them more likely to die soon anyway, such as being very old and/or extremely fat. Most of the COVID deaths have been from people old and fat.
 
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