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capitalism works, sure, but it's not perfect. and given the recent crisis capitalism is suffering, can worker cooperative save capitalism?
can worker cooperative save capitalism?
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Muh heckin late stage capitalism, prophesied since Marx first invented the word Capitalism.
As an Expert™ I can tell you that most people do not want the Worker Co-op structure, it requires an IQ and political commitment that comes from the kind of people who will ultimately just want to run their own sole-prop business anyway - because if you're smart enough for that level of cooperation and delegation, you're smart enough to lead people who just want to be told what to do for a wage.
The exception are things like Farmer Co-ops, where the interests are very tightly and naturally aligned and the payoff in political power is much more obvious. Note that the farmer is already a sole-prop business, so even then this is really just a group of blue collar businessmen forming a conglomerate.
I do like the idea of Medieval Guilds though. Go form a Guild anon.
As an Expert™ I can tell you that most people do not want the Worker Co-op structure, it requires an IQ and political commitment that comes from the kind of people who will ultimately just want to run their own sole-prop business anyway - because if you're smart enough for that level of cooperation and delegation, you're smart enough to lead people who just want to be told what to do for a wage.
The exception are things like Farmer Co-ops, where the interests are very tightly and naturally aligned and the payoff in political power is much more obvious. Note that the farmer is already a sole-prop business, so even then this is really just a group of blue collar businessmen forming a conglomerate.
I do like the idea of Medieval Guilds though. Go form a Guild anon.
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There's the occasional coffee shop modeled off some Spanish syndicalist cafes where you'll start as an ordinary wage worker.
If the other workers like the cut of your jib and decide to keep you onboard, you'll join the membership in some form of graduated scale. Eg your share of the business may just be the number of hours worked relative to all the others. Some just go straight one-body, one-vote but the town has to be full of pinko culture for that not to collapse in on itself immediately.
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I don't think capitalism is salvageable. All across Eastern Europe people are coming to the conclusion that yes communism is bad, but capitalism isn't much better.
You are witnessing the failure of capitalism now. Everything going on in the US economically is a sign of that failure. We are in late-stage capitalism. Like the terminal stage of capitalism.
What we need is something else and people need to stop going back and forth between an economic system that failed and one that is failing. Capitalism only lasted a little over 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
You are witnessing the failure of capitalism now. Everything going on in the US economically is a sign of that failure. We are in late-stage capitalism. Like the terminal stage of capitalism.
What we need is something else and people need to stop going back and forth between an economic system that failed and one that is failing. Capitalism only lasted a little over 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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The only thing that will save capitalism is the reenslavement of the black peoples.
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I can't see any reason for this except for the meme of "why we need managers?", people come to work to do a job. Most have zero interest or ability to actually figure out long term, meaning they will vote purely for short term. The people that do care about the subject are usually psychopaths and petty tyrants.
US zombie corps kept propped up government funbux isn't capitalism. Europe sure as fucking hell doesn't practice Capitalism besides a few outliers. They are socialist or at best state capitalist societies. The free market, while never 100% achievable, is a capitalist society.
I am not saying "capitalism has never been done" like brain dead commies. However, I am saying that we have lived in a society that is governed more through socialist/communist practices than capitalist ones for at least the last few decades if not longer.
Our current woes are BECAUSE of the increased socialism/communism, not Capitalism. Not even to say that Capitalism is perfect, but its certainly better than the alternatives.
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No. Even if I cared it's still no.
The little man is getting fleeced and that is the only reason how something abnormal, ghoulish and abominable exists.
Europe is doing better than US
Communism is just state capitalism, vs. whatever US has which is state-in-a-state capitalism.
The little man is getting fleeced and that is the only reason how something abnormal, ghoulish and abominable exists.
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united airlines was run as an employee owned airline for a while after a mid 90s restructure. it worked well for few years but the experiment was cut short by 9/11. sometimes selling to your employees (in the form of their pension or 401k) is the least worst option.
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The reason capitalism doesn't work is because most people are useless eaters.
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Letting nations and individuals trade freely with each other is the best we can achieve until Star Trek replicators are invented.
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We need socialism, but instead of trying to make it international, it should focus on one nation and people first. Anyone ever tried that?
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The funny moustache man from Georgia tried it. The industrialization part worked out good.
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late capital game is literal neo feodalism which renders it beyond survival outside of punitive-voluntary reinforcement
cuba is prime example of commie game working out its kinks pretty good and even managing to walk into 21 century without losing its agenda much
cuba is prime example of commie game working out its kinks pretty good and even managing to walk into 21 century without losing its agenda much
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Worker collectives (for the most part) don’t work because most workers just want to work nine to five and get paid.
They don’t want to run the business, that’s the kind of stuff managers get paid to do. So you want me to work AND do manager stuff and go to constant meetings for a salary that’s like 5% higher? Nah, fuck that.
They don’t want to run the business, that’s the kind of stuff managers get paid to do. So you want me to work AND do manager stuff and go to constant meetings for a salary that’s like 5% higher? Nah, fuck that.