#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[A nameless trool]

There arent any receipts because much of this happened to Mitch Breitweiser, and it happened on the phone. But here’s me talking to Ernst and pretending to believe that it wasn’t him who made the threats to Mitch. Enjoy.

Objection, Hearsay

This whole saga should be a lesson to up and coming creators:

1) you're not entitled to anyone's platform
2) set a realistic goal. Your passion project does not equal someone else's money.
3) the pros aren't your friends. Don't lean on them and instead build among the community. This was Hut's biggest failing, which I wanted him about as far back as 2018
4) have fun. If your entire YouTube existence is built on trashing a movement that buys comics, your career was over before it started.

This is pretty much all the CG Slums/Anti-CG milk we get.
Also, great advice.

Seriously, all the EVS a-logging is ruining the fun of this topic.
Let's focus on the important things: Doug E (who may be igognito in this topic a-logging) gets assmad when talked shit on the internet so he goes through backchannels and proxies against his e-nemies.
In his hateboner for EVS he picked the most thin-skinned retarded loser on CG, a movement already filled to the brim with rejects, that threw him under the bus the moment his feefees got hurt.

Also Mitch is a Bitch and I would fuck his wife.

 

[A Meme to Power]

If you have an employee working for you and someone else wants to talk to you about it [ and Contractors are your employees..,... despite what Marvel/DC say] you have a conversation with them.

If someone calls you and says your contracted freelance artist made fun of them on the internet, you have no reason to take their call.

Going after someone's employer/employment because they made fun of you on the internet is top tier internet bitch behavior but actually malicious . Mitch made it clear he wasn't interested, Doug wanted to make sure he was interested by threatening Mitch.

Doug is POS.

 

[Alazmat]

That wasn't retarded advice though. Ernst must have known exactly who Comic Book Hut would turn to with his appeals to Catholic brotherhood charity/implicit blackmail right away the moment Hut realized $1500 wasn't enough to fulfill Craptain Galaxy (Hut himself is incapable of thinking this far ahead). Only belatedly in his desire to alog with clean hands did Ernst realize he placed his reputation in the hands of an amoral retard who felt entitled to his money and platform in exchange for keeping their mutual secret under wraps.

And let's not pretend Hut wasn't capable of blackmail either, given that Hut actually did dump everything he had the moment he felt he wasn't getting what he wanted. Convincing Hut to set the goal to 10K circumvents the inevitable Hut blackmail and Doug shelling out thousands out of his own pocket for the pregnant space whale comic. The advice wasn't bad or malicious; it was intended to protect Doug because he knew Hut better than Hut knew himself..

Of course, allowing a literal sped to have dirt on you really goes to show how much Doug's anger overtook his common sense with this whole situation. Under normal circumstances nothing like this could ever be expected to happen.

If Doug REALLY thought ahead about the Hut's intention, then all he had to do was platform the potato for one lousy stream like Cummings did to prevent any of this eventual receipt dumping. It probably wouldn't have prevented Hut's turn, but it would have laid an even heavier burden on Christopher in the PR side of things, and therefore sped up his self-destruction. It was bad enough Hut appeared ungrateful for Ernst helping him out financially for his mother's funeral. As was stated in a previous post, that has more meaning than crowdfunding a comic book. Maybe Ernst wasn't acting malicious, and maybe retarded is too extreme. We'll say "ill-advised." After watching the transcripts stream yesterday, where Tim Lim sounded like a lisping weasel complaining about internet opinions about his book, it's obvious Lim and Ernst have a huge problem being direct and just owning their own opinions and keeping it moving, Ernst didn't need a special olympian like Hut to say how much he hated EVS. Heck, Hut built a following with it. It definitely would have built Ernst the same. At least he has a competent book to show for it.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I feel bad that this thread has made CBH actually a relevant figure. We should agree to never talk about that sack of shit.

Also: Doug Ernst hasn't done anything to help other Campaigns. He's said he doesn't do reviews [ he's given private encouragement] so him helping Hutt was al about this petty bullshit.

Somehow this thread was about Mitch The Bitch who poisoned the well with his pay pigs trying to glom onto this controversy [ So typical comics gate]

Ethan went from being mad about how Hutt attacked him with bullets that Dougy Fresh gave him to trying to make this about Mitch the Bitch (who stabbed Ethan and CB in he back) using shoddy receipts.

So typical Comicsgate BS......

Remember when it felt like these people could actually make a change that matters to comics?

But in truth this is what Comic Pros do to each other all the time.......

…huh, who knew that @FROG and co. actually DID successfully recreate the comic book industry!

 

[A nameless trool]

…huh, who knew that @FROG and co. actually DID successfully recreate the comic book industry!

Me. I've been telling the thread that CG is made exactly like the mainstream comicbook industry only more retarded.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Going after someone's employer/employment because they made fun of you on the internet is top tier internet bitch behavior but actually malicious . Mitch made it clear he wasn't interested, Doug wanted to make sure he was interested by threatening Mitch.

The problem with taking Mitch Breitwieser at his word is that Mitch has gone on to prove himself an inveterate liar who built his business on lies, has a track record about lying about harassment specifically and has his employees sign NDAs presumably for the purpose of upholding his lies. You can forward Mitch's lies on his behalf out of a desire to take the opportunity to portray Ernst in the worst light possible out of anger, including Mitch's latest easily dismissed lie that it was Doug Ernst and his four/five unsolicited phone calls that forced Mitch to DFE and remove any ability for the public to contact him for two years and not him dodging Red Rooster backers, but anyone who accepts such claims or any claims made by Mitch Breitweiser unquestioned and presents them to others at this point I cannot take as arguing in good faith or someone who takes the truth seriously. They are accessories to being a lying faggot grifter.

Now, if Mitch Breitweiser can cough up corroborating evidence of any kind that Doug Ernst threatened to use his journalistic connections to interfere with him somehow, he can feel free to post it. The pretense of respecting the sanctity of private correspondence sort of goes out the window when he's gone to every comic creator and their uncle describing the contents of the alleged conversation. The fact he hasn't over the course of three years leads me to believe that any proof of the claim, one that Mitch was using to drag other creators into his beef, doesn't exist, and forces me to conclude Mitch Breitweiser was simply lying again. Maybe I'm wrong though; maybe Mitch will get on that any day now.

If Doug REALLY thought ahead about the Hut's intention, then all he had to do was platform the potato for one lousy stream like Cummings did to prevent any of this eventual receipt dumping. It probably wouldn't have prevented Hut's turn, but it would have laid an even heavier burden on Christopher in the PR side of things, and therefore sped up his self-destruction. It was bad enough Hut appeared ungrateful for Ernst helping him out financially for his mother's funeral. As was stated in a previous post, that has more meaning than crowdfunding a comic book

Honestly, Ernst was probably fucked the moment he bailed out the funeral for Comic Book Hut's mother. The only thing Hut appears to have taken away from that is that Doug Ernst has money and that it's the Christian thing for others to give people in need like him money. Hut more or less spelled his Catholic blackmail reasoning out in his confessional video - it's Christian for people who have to help out those in need; if they don't they're fake Christians and then Hut is justified in burning in them with whatever he has. It was at around this point that the wheels started turning in Hut's pillbug brain about trying to leverage a gayop into a professional comic career.

One can see it now; Doug happily crawling around waist-deep inside the proverbial dryer digging around for CG dirty laundry with no one the wiser. Then one day without warning, Doug hears the unmistakeable sound of his groomed attack tard Comic Book Hut, stationed behind the dryer, start to unzip. Through the acoustics of the dryer cylinder he can hear a distinct Queens accent babbling "dug ernst gabbagoo you got a nice wife, how come you gotta nice wife and the peepo's champ don't have a wife? tim lim has nice wife how come da hut doesnt have a wife? all these comic book creators having pretty wives geez louise betty breitweiser looking real nice, how you get to go home to your nice wife dug ernst while da hut aint got nothing. its not christian dug ernst". Dark Doug panics. He tries to find a way out of this situation he's placed himself in but the only direction he can move his pushing his buttocks against Hut's hips. Doug feels his pants being pulled down around his knees....

 

[NSA]

I don’t know why ANYONE is helping Mitch “The Bitch” Dimweiser with anything in the first place. He’s a lazy cunt, he has the personality of a wet noodle, he only takes help from others but never gives anything in return, and his comic is the most dull bullshit imaginable. He also married money, so he’s not in any financial trouble. Even back in the height of CG when I was a hyped fan, every time someone like FROG would do a hype stream/sob story/personal letter of recommendation for Mitch, I would go to his crowdfunder, see how absolutely boring it looked, and I couldn’t bring myself to back it.

This ability I have: to realize that a hyped product is actually shit, (some in CG might consider it a superpower of sorts) saved me a lot of money in the end.

To be fair, Ethan has just completed the inks on his second book and all 73 pages only took him like 130 weeks so it's not like he hasn't been pecking away at it.

As someone who stopped buying FROG books YEARS AGO after only backing the first one, I have received an equal amount of new FROG books as his continued die hard fans have received. Mainly zero. But they are of extremely high quality, I admit. High theoretical quality.

 

[The Coon]

If someone calls you and says your contracted freelance artist made fun of them on the internet, you have no reason to take their call.

Going after someone's employer/employment because they made fun of you on the internet is top tier internet bitch behavior but actually malicious . Mitch made it clear he wasn't interested, Doug wanted to make sure he was interested by threatening Mitch.

Doug is POS.

This right here. People want to keep bringing up the Brietweisers and what they did. Im not defending the Breitweisers, honestly fuck them, especially Betty , they have gayoped and royaly fucked over backers. IMHO though, all of this falls on Doug. If Doug fucks off like he was told, or, and hear me out, doesnt take offense to a drunken retard with chicken grease in his beard and mustard stains on his shirt saying "Fuck Doug" from his trailer park in the middle of nowhere Louisiana, then we are not talking about this today. Also, I'm not buying this shit about "upset" backers. It reminds me of when a political group wants something passed, they always scream "Think of the children!". If a backer is "upset" that someone like Kelsey said "Fuck Insert Creator Name", then I dont think it too extreme to tell that backer to get over it, seriously. I think the only "upset" person was Doug and he did the whole "Think of the Backers" to mask it.

The same thing applies to the Hut situation. If Doug doesnt have his fun with Hut because EVS hurt his feefees, then we arent talking about this either and most of us here(myself included) would still be treating @FROG like Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds and claiming they were trying to sabotage him. Doug played around, made this bed, and now he has to lay in it and take the lumps.

Doug E (who may be igognito in this topic a-logging)

 

[Captain Manning]

Now, if Mitch Breitweiser can cough up corroborating evidence of any kind that Doug Ernst threatened to use his journalistic connections to interfere with him somehow, he can feel free to post it

That reminds me...

Low I.Q. Hut may have been impressed by the fact that Doug writes (wrote?) for the Washington Examiner Washington Times but, uhhhh, is anybody else?

Does anybody here actually read the Washington Examiner Washington Times?

More to the point, the Washington Examiner Washington Times is unabashedly conservative. Whatever CG's flaws, it does operate in opposition to the mainstream woke comics industry. If they attacked CG, they'd be punching right. Unless Doug has connections at Buzzfeed, or one of the shithole publications belonging to the dung heap formerly known as Gawker, I'm skeptical he could manage to publish anything critical of CG with his "journalistic connections." I presume Doug answers to an editor, and can't just publish whatever the fuck he wants, whenever he wants. That's usually the case with most commercial news publications.

 

[Mister Dongs]

No it's the sort of threat ("hello guy im mad at, let me tell you something you can use to get me fired from my job") a retard with zero understanding of how the real world works would concoct, the sort of thing a drooling mongoloid or a comic book artist would cook up, which is why I think Mitch Breitweiser just made it up.

 

[Miniluv]

If Doug fucks off like he was told, or, and hear me out, doesnt take offense to a drunken retard with chicken grease in his beard and mustard stains on his shirt saying "Fuck Doug" from his trailer park in the middle of nowhere Louisiana, then we are not talking about this today. Also, I'm not buying this shit about "upset" backers.

Yeah, I'm having a tough time believing a bunch of Doug's customers got upset by Kelsey saying "Fuck Doug" on a live stream. I could totally understand some backlash if Kelsey went off on a drunken rant about Ernst being a pederast or an animal abuser or literally anything in the way of an unflattering accusation, but "Fuck Doug" doesn't say anything other than "Fuck Doug".

"Gee, Doug, some unkempt drunk on the internet doesn't seem to like you, I don't know if I can back your book anymore" doesn't ring true with me.

And why would the kind of person who would get so shaken by something as relatively innocuous as "Fuck Doug" be watching any channels adjacent to the EVS/JACK/WC circus anyway?

That reminds me...

Low I.Q. Hut may have been impressed by the fact that Doug writes (wrote?) for the Washington Examiner but, uhhhh, is anybody else?

Does anybody here actually read the Washington Examiner?

More to the point, the Washington Examiner is unabashedly conservative. Whatever CG's flaws, it does operate in opposition to the mainstream woke comics industry. If they attacked CG, they'd be punching right. Unless Doug has connections at Buzzfeed, or one of the shithole publications belonging to the dung heap formerly known as Gawker, I'm skeptical he could manage to publish anything critical of CG with his "journalistic connections." I presume Doug answers to an editor, and can't just publish whatever the fuck he wants, whenever he wants. That's usually the case with most commercial news publications.

According to the Soulfinder page on Iconic's website, Doug Ernst works for the Washington Times.

The Times, like the Examiner, is a conservative outlet but has been around since the early 1980s when it was founded by Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church (known for years as "Moonies"). The Unification Church stll has a controlling interest in the paper and still believe Sun Myung Moon was the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[Captain Manning]

No it's the sort of threat ("hello guy im mad at, let me tell you something you can use to get me fired from my job") a retard with zero understanding of how the real world works would concoct, the sort of thing a drooling mongoloid or a comic book artist would cook up, which is why I think Mitch Breitweiser just made it up.

Agreed.

Also, if Doug could get something anti-CG published by a reputable news outlet (and I'll use that term VERY losely), he wouldn't have used Hut.

Ironically, in a way, the Hut thing actually lends additional credence to the idea that the claim Breitweiser made is complete bullshit.

Maybe we'll find out one day that Doug is secretly moonlighting for Kotaku under a nom de plume, but I highly doubt it. His audience for CG criticism seems to be anti-CG people who are at least nominally right-of-center. Which is a pretty small audience, but still.

According to the Soulfinder page on Iconic's website, Doug Ernst works for the Washington Times.

The Times, like the Examiner, is a conservative outlet but has been around since the early 1980s when it was founded by Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church (known for years as "Moonies"). The Unification Church stll has a controlling interest in the paper and still believe Sun Myung Moon was the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Well, that's even stupider.

So my point still stands:

How the fuck is he gonna ruin Breitweiser through any right-wing journalistic connections? I think he'd have the play both sides of the aisle to manage that.

 

[The Coon]

Yeah, I'm having a tough time believing a bunch of Doug's customers got upset by Kelsey saying "Fuck Doug" on a live stream. I could totally understand some backlash if Kelsey went off on a drunken rant about Ernst being a pederast or an animal abuser or literally anything in the way of an unflattering accusation, but "Fuck Doug" doesn't say anything other than "Fuck Doug".

"Gee, Doug, some unkempt drunk on the internet doesn't seem to like you, I don't know if I can back your book anymore" doesn't ring true with me.

And why would the kind of person who would get so shaken by something as relatively innocuous as "Fuck Doug" be watching any channels adjacent to the EVS/JACK/WC circus anyway?

I have also wondered if Doug tried to contact Cecil or Malin and give them the whole "Keep my name out ya mouth" speech, but with that nasally holier than thou twang of his. Cecil and Malin were on the stream with Kelsey, and IIRC they were saying more than just "Fuck Doug". If Doug didnt try to contact them, then why not?

 

[Alazmat]

Honestly, Ernst was probably fucked the moment he bailed out the funeral for Comic Book Hut's mother. The only thing Hut appears to have taken away from that is that Doug Ernst has money and that it's the Christian thing for others to give people in need like him money. Hut more or less spelled his Catholic blackmail reasoning out in his confessional video - it's Christian for people who have to help out those in need; if they don't they're fake Christians and then Hut is justified in burning in them with whatever he has.

Well, there ya have it. Hut is a charismatic catholic. He speaks in tongues (re: babble) and expects people give to him. Pray the whale away!

 

[Miniluv]

I have also wondered if Doug tried to contact Cecil or Malin and give them the whole "Keep my name out ya mouth" speech, but with that nasally holier than thou twang of his. Cecil and Malin were on the stream with Kelsey, and IIRC they were saying more than just "Fuck Doug". If Doug didnt try to contact them, then why not?

I know we like to stay away from wild speculation here on Kiwi Farms' Comicsgate thread, but it may be because Malin and Cecil weren't working with Mitch Breitweiser. Connecting some kind of bad behavior to Allegiance could theoretically disrupt that sweet Walmart deal, but I don't believe an upstanding guy like Doug in an honorable field such as journalism would do anything like that.

Malin and Cecil don't have anyone to answer to, so Doug's objections would probably be met with a brick wall of even more "fuck Doug".

How the fuck is he gonna ruin Breitweiser through any right-wing journalistic connections? I think he'd have the play both sides of the aisle to manage that.

Because run of the mill conservatives still ostensibly engage in pearl clutching when it comes to degeneracy. If he can link Mitch to a gaggle of drunken idiots who like shooping dicks onto photos of upstanding Christians and drawing each other as human centipedes, it might filter down to the average conservative Walmart shopper and they might wonder why that "filth" is being sold at America's Favorite Retailer.

 

[SargonF00t]

That's why he's panicked over a grizzly adams looking dude

Grizzly Adams mixed with Joe Biden.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Grizzly Adams mixed with Joe Biden.

Sprinkled with crack.

 

[Newman's Own]

Jon Del Arroz: The most respected name in comics and science fiction as well it would appear. Larry Correia sums up Jon's game pretty well.

Remember when it felt like these people could actually make a change that matters to comics?

2018?

2017?

every time someone like FROG would do a hype stream/sob story/personal letter of recommendation for Mitch, I would go to his crowdfunder, see how absolutely boring it looked, and I couldn’t bring myself to back it.

I wish I'd done this.

I watched a drawing stream from Mitch and liked some of his work for Marvel so I backed the book thinking it would be excellent since he hired a writer and the concept looked retro-cool to me. I also thought a pro who could pump out figures as fast as Mitch did on stream would have no problems getting the book out in a timely fashion. I suppose I was caught up in the hype as well and wanted to contribute...

As it turned out the art was uninspired and the story was every bit as boring as you thought it would be and we all know how late it was.

But they are of extremely high quality, I admit. High theoretical quality.

They sure are pretty pages. I don't think they'd be any less pretty if each page was completed in one week instead of two though.

I'm skeptical he could manage to publish anything critical of CG with his "journalistic connections."

I don't think there are any big news outlets that give a fuck about CG on either side beyond maybe mentioning it as a culture war oddity in passing, let alone printing anything about esoteric infighting within the "movement".

 

[Captain Manning]

I don't think there are any big news outlets that give a fuck about CG on either side beyond maybe mentioning it as a culture war oddity in passing, let alone printing anything about esoteric infighting within the "movement".

Lefties will do it on a sufficiently slow news day. I didn't mention Kotaku for no reason whatsoever.

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/07/dynamite-loses-support-and-creators-after-crowdfunding-a-comicsgate-comic-cover/

And it even goes beyond CG proper. Remember when Lim, the asian, got accused of being a white supremacist neo-nazi?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tom-knighton/2017/09/14/pro-trump-book-mentioned-neo-nazi-childrens-book-written-asian-guy-n53485

But, my point here is that's the lefties. Ernst may be many things, but I don't think he's a leftie. His "journalistic connections" are likely completely useless for the purposes of shitting on CG. And he knows it. I don't get how Mitch thought that accusation would seem credible.

 

[The Coon]

Jon Del Arroz: The most respected name in comics and science fiction as well it would appear. Larry Correia sums up Jon's game pretty well.

Hey looky there, more common ground. I have said it before, @TheCosmicWarrior, and anyone for that matter, should never be cancelled, kicked out or excluded from anything because of his political and religious beliefs. He should be kicked out or excluded because he is a narcissistic asshole and other things that Correia mentions.

Speaking of Correia, after @FROG had him on the other day, I got his new book, Servants of War, on audible. I had some extra credits so decided to give it a shot and have really enjoyed it so far.