#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Feline Darkmage]

If anything he'd probably take it as a compliment.

Isn't it quite literally the kind of tone he was going for?

 

[Water-T]

This is sad on some level tbh, I am writing this with a copy of Kingdom Come on my comics shelf, I am honestly disappointed in Waid, he used to be one of my favorite creators..

I hear you. I love KC, as well as his run on The Flash. However, the past few years have shown that Waid pulled a Frank Miller and lost both his mind and his talent.

Massachusetts has a rather large Irish contingent, so that 4channer is probably talking out of his ass.

Boston is in Mass, and it's pretty much the Irish-American capital of the US. So yeah, that channer is a dumbass.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Hit the nail on the head. D&C would be just another low to mid-tier comic commentator on youtube at BEST had the SJW comics cabal not gone after him. Instead they streisanded him to notoriety and now his indiegogo has made like 1000000% of its funding for something that looks like an average schlock-action comic.

I think on some level a lot of them wanted someone like him to emerge, they needed a cringey moriaty to their pointless holmes so to justify a their awkward clumsy attempts at diversity. It makes sense that people who write superhero comics desperatly need a supervillain otherwise you're just a cape whose avoiding doing a useful job

Also I just read civil war 2 last night and I think on reflection I don't think the problem is SJW stuff. The problem is that Marvel can't write a good story if it would make stan 10 years younger. Captain marvels hormone replacement therapy driving her nuts and being hit really hard turning she-hulk into regular hulk are the symptoms not the cause.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I think on some level a lot of them wanted someone like him to emerge, they needed a cringey moriaty to their pointless holmes so to justify a their awkward clumsy attempts at diversity. It makes sense that people who write superhero comics desperatly need a supervillain otherwise you're just a cape whose avoiding doing a job

Also I just read civil war 2 last night and I think on reflection I don't think the problem is SJW stuff, that's just a symptom. The problem is that Marvel can't write a good story if it would make stan 10 years younger. Captain marvels hormone replacement therapy driving her nuts and being hit really hard turning she-hulk into regular hulk are the symptoms not the cause.

I still can't make up my mind on the best worst parts of CW2. She-Hulk getting a missile to the boobs, Nick Fury jr. showing up to War Machine's funeral with the other black characters despite openly acknowledging that he never knew the guy, the absurdity of the concept when they already know others who can see possible outcomes of events, the weird BLM metaphor with Hulk's death, etc.

There was so much to choose from.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I still can't make up my mind on the best worst parts of CW2. She-Hulk getting a missile to the boobs, Nick Fury jr. showing up to War Machine's funeral with the other black characters despite openly acknowledging that he never knew the guy, the absurdity of the concept when they already know others who can see possible outcomes of events, the weird BLM metaphor with Hulk's death, etc.

There was so much to choose from.

I'd go with the plot which was summerized by my girlfriend as "why did any of that happen?"

 

[SuperSheep]

I wonder if the reason they're able to get so many comic stores to refuse to stock D&C's comic is because there has been this weird sort of Darwinian selection going on, where comic stores not in regions that can pander to the #woke crowd have been forced to shut down due to the lack of ability to stock comics that appeal to the mainstream while being forced to overstock comics that don't, which ultimately tanks their business, and now there is a significant proportion of #woke comic stores that are now able to exert a significant influence.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I think on some level a lot of them wanted someone like him to emerge, they needed a cringey moriaty to their pointless holmes so to justify a their awkward clumsy attempts at diversity. It makes sense that people who write superhero comics desperatly need a supervillain otherwise you're just a cape whose avoiding doing a useful job

I agree. It allows them to scapegoat their problems on Zack and the CG crowd. Rather than admit they've made poor hiring decisions, their quality is crap, and the industry is in decline, it's easier to blame those damned racist, mysogonistic, CGers. They're critic shielding by pretending it's all the fans fault.

I wonder if the reason they're able to get so many comic stores to refuse to stock D&C's comic is because there has been this weird sort of Darwinian selection going on, where comic stores not in regions that can pander to the #woke crowd have been forced to shut down due to the lack of ability to stock comics that appeal to the mainstream while being forced to overstock comics that don't, which ultimately tanks their business, and now there is a significant proportion of #woke comic stores that are now able to exert a significant influence.

That's certainly a factor. It's not like they haven't been losing stores, just not as many. Part of their advantage is that there are more people in these coastal cities, so they're not as vulnerable as a comic shop in Texas. Coastal comic book stores still struggle due to less loyal fans & more endemic piracy though.

Also I just read civil war 2 last night and I think on reflection I don't think the problem is SJW stuff. The problem is that Marvel can't write a good story if it would make stan 10 years younger. Captain marvels hormone replacement therapy driving her nuts and being hit really hard turning she-hulk into regular hulk are the symptoms not the cause.

SJWism hits industries and companies in decline. It's like having a weakened immune system and then catching pneumonia. GamerGate wouldn't have been such a big deal if it weren't for the declining of gaming jorunalism. Same goes for Magic and ComicsGate.

Companies embrace SJWism in part so they can shield themselves from criticism and out of desperation. Companies think that by being diverse they can bring in more crowds, but the executives don't realize what's occuring on the ground and that it's pushing away more consumers.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

I'd go with the plot which was summerized by my girlfriend as "why did any of that happen?"

CW2 was pretty bad but Secret Empire was way worse. Never seen an event with so much contempt for the characters and the universe as a whole. Haven't touched a new Marvel comic since then. I've only been reading 60s to 70s stuff. Their new relaunch doesn't fool me, it's the same old shit with the same old shit writers, half of them which I'm blocked by on twitter even though I never interacted with them.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

What the hell?

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[gobbogobb]

Fuck yeah Stan! Get yo shit back.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

I agree. It allows them to scapegoat their problems on Zack and the CG crowd. Rather than admit they've made poor hiring decisions, their quality is crap, and the industry is in decline it's easier to blame those damned racist, mysogonistic, CGers. They're critic shielding by pretending it's all the fans fault.



That's certainly a factor. It's not like they haven't been losing stores, just not as many. Part of their advantage is that there are more people in these coastal cities, so they're not as vulnerable as a comic shop in Texas. Coastal comic book stores still struggle due to less loyal fans & more endemic piracy though.



SJWism hits industries and companies in decline. It's like having a weakened immune system and then catching pneumonia. GamerGate wouldn't have been such a big deal if it weren't for the declining of gaming jorunalism. Same goes for Magic and ComicsGate.

Companies embrace SJWism in part so they can shield themselves from criticism and out of desperation. Companies think that by being diverse they can bring in more crowds, but the executives don't realize what's occuring on the ground and that it's pushing away more consumers.

Companies are realizing the shrieking harpies on twatter don’t have money to buy or support anything. While twatter may want XYZ, they don’t have the means to support the project nor are they in the majority in the US. Its a very small and vocal subsection of millenials that are completely worthless.

That’s why Marvel is dying, they doubled down on shit based on social media sentiment and didn’t realize they were alienating their core audience in the process. You know the people that actually buy comic books.

 

[PrincessHomura]

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This is true for the vast majority of celebrities, even within niche stuff like eSports and such. Especially older people.

 

[MMX]

CW2 was pretty bad but Secret Empire was way worse. Never seen an event with so much contempt for the characters and the universe as a whole. Haven't touched a new Marvel comic since then. I've only been reading 60s to 70s stuff. Their new relaunch doesn't fool me, it's the same old shit with the same old shit writers, half of them which I'm blocked by on twitter even though I never interacted with them.

I felt the same way
But seeing prehistoric ghost rider on a mammoth gave me hope for the future (though chances are its false)

 

[One Man Bland]

SJWism hits industries and companies in decline. It's like having a weakened immune system and then catching pneumonia. GamerGate wouldn't have been such a big deal if it weren't for the declining of gaming jorunalism. Same goes for Magic and ComicsGate.

Interestingly emough, this also extends to social media outlets as well. Where SJWs tend to congregate in the highest concentrations seems to depend almost entirely on the accessibility of the platform. For instance you'll find a lot of SJWs who praise the shit out of nuMarvel on Tumblr because with the nature of the platform (mostly the lack of time stamps and the way commentary is hidden from casual view) allowing (mis)information to spread unopposed and continue circulating long after it's been debunked, they can generate tons of callout posts about problematic people and content with absolutely no proof and have someone's career ruined before someone points out that it's untrue.

Conversely most SJW "professionals" seem to take to Twitter because of the unlimited block feature and it's interface allowing them to post all their most asinine thoughts in short format hyperbole and stir up similar troll campaigns over Literal Whos that they'd be better off just ignoring because when a Blue Checkmark says some guy making shirty phone videos in his car is "literally attacking them" people buy it.

 

[Tranny Dick Noballs]

I haven't been into comics for years, nor have I bought a comic in the last decade, but I'm proud to say that I supported Zach's indiegogo because Mark Waid is a sperg, and I love seeing him act like a lolcow.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Well, there is the comics crash of the 90s, so they're probably trying to insinuate he's just retreading old, failing ground.

They lack the self-awareness to realize that they are merely trailblazing failure in new and innovative ways. Were the comics creators of the 90s this effective at driving away customers by being such unrepentant assholes to them using the social media equivalents of the time?

The sad irony is the bottom of that crash was still selling 10x more books than the peak sellers of today, and the SJW’s fail to realize it.

 

[damian]

I'd go with the plot which was summerized by my girlfriend as "why did any of that happen?"

Many reasons, all pretty bad:
1. This was happening in the middle of the hard push for the InHumans to replace the X-Men.
2. Just like with CW1, it was a chance to kill off characters to make those books worth more in the speculation market. Which might have happened if Marvel didn’t tank the entire market with their obnoxious million covers for each issue.
3. They wanted to replace Tony with ReeRee and needed him out of the way.

I felt the same way
But seeing prehistoric ghost rider on a mammoth gave me hope for the future (though chances are its false)

4th page, the mammoth is dead. (Marvel Legacy)

I think Marvel’s biggest problem on top of the SJW-isms was the lack of consistency and miscommunication between teams. Bruce Banner has 2 post death sendoffs after he died in CW2:

Spoiler: Uncanny Avengers:

The Hand (Zombie Ninjas) managed to take Bruce Banners body and resurrected the Hulk as one of their soldiers:

This was a good run btw, I would actually recommend reading it.

Spoiler: Star-Lord:

Star-Pord is in a state of near death in some kind of Limbo and has to fight some evil spirit/ghost guy, Banner is trown in there as a Deus Ex:

 

[popoto-chan]

CW2 was pretty bad but Secret Empire was way worse. Never seen an event with so much contempt for the characters and the universe as a whole. Haven't touched a new Marvel comic since then. I've only been reading 60s to 70s stuff. Their new relaunch doesn't fool me, it's the same old shit with the same old shit writers, half of them which I'm blocked by on twitter even though I never interacted with them.

You can find readable stuff in current Marvel, but it's like trying to dig through a mountain of shit to find a few pieces of corn. Half of their current output could be safely axed and nobody would give two shits because nobody is reading any of it - at least not legally.

 

[AnOminous]

You can find readable stuff in current Marvel, but it's like trying to dig through a mountain of shit to find a few pieces of corn. Half of their current output could be safely axed and nobody would give two shits because nobody is reading any of it - at least not legally.

DC has Batman and Superman and is therefore the superior company.

 

[damian]

You can find readable stuff in current Marvel, but it's like trying to dig through a mountain of shit to find a few pieces of corn. Half of their current output could be safely axed and nobody would give two shits because nobody is reading any of it - at least not legally.

Seems the only people reading it that actually buy it are the reviewers (on YT).