#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Own]

it’s only common sense that making more money is better

Better for Malin maybe.

I'm still trying to figure out why it's so important to you. When I get a Pepsi for a buck instead of a buck fifty I don't get on the internet to talk about how this makes Coke better than Pepsi but you do you.

I'm just here to watch.

 

[Rupin]

Better for Malin maybe.

I'm still trying to figure out why it's so important to you. When I get a Pepsi for a buck instead of a buck fifty I don't get on the internet to talk about how this makes Coke better than Pepsi but you do you.

I'm just here to watch.

I dropped the subject last night when I was talking to Captain Manning. You were the one who felt some type of way about what I said and brought it up again and I was simply providing a counter argument.

 

[Newman's Own]

I dropped the subject last night when I was talking to Captain Manning. You were the one who felt some type of way about what I said and brought it up again and I was simply providing a counter argument.

Forgive me for skipping Kiwi Farms for an evening. I'll try to pare down my personal life so I can respond to you in a more timely fashion.

Woof Pack 4 LIFE!!!

 

[Stupendus]

https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahon74/status/1445906406457020424

Looks like he may be going from the crowdfunding to the gofundme

 

[Rupin]

https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahon74/status/1445906406457020424

Looks like he may be going from the crowdfunding to the gofundme

I looked at his pinned tweet and got a real good laugh out of that. Damn… talk about coming full circle!

 

[Captain Manning]

Maybe Joe Quesada made her a star before Ethan decided a thrift store cosplay SJW was an existential threat worthy of mobilizing thousands against but I don't think so.

As I recall, the shit between her and Ethan was before Quesadilla took her under his wing. In fact, I think him doing that was essentially one big virtue signal.

Didn't really go anywhere. Bitch has no talent.

But I'm NOT the biggest Renstorian on this site. I'm only a pseudo-Renstorian because of her involvement in WW. Somebody like Vikki would probably know WAAAAAY more.

That business model is going to have you losing money hand over fist and that‘s why he has to go to Amazon and IC to sell his books.

Again, where is the proof of that? Do you know what his expenses are? Do you know what his margins are?

It's like your whole entire argument here is that you HAVE to have "CG pricing" in order to make a buck. That's asinine.

 

[Rupin]

As I recall, the shit between her and Ethan was before Quesadilla took him under his wing. In fact, I think him doing that was essentially one big virtue signal.

Didn't really go anywhere. Bitch has no talent.

But I'm NOT the biggest Renstorian on this site. I'm only a pseudo-Renstorian because of her involvement in WW. Somebody like Vikki would probably know more.


Again, where is the proof of that? Do you know what his expenses are? Do you know what his margins are?

I's like your whole entire argument here is that you HAVE to have "CG pricing" in order to make a buck. That's asinine.

I don’t know what Lim’s financials are. Obviously, he can afford to that. I’m just saying that if someone wanted to follow his business model, they’d have a rougher time of it than if they just went with the CG model, especially if they don’t have artistic talent like Lim and have to hire an artist.
when Sweetcast started out making his book Downcast, he was selling it for 15 dollars. That first campaign made 30k and after expenses were done he said he only netted 5k profit. He saw that people were willing to pay 25 dollars for a book because that‘s what most creators were charging and his subsequent campaigns made more money and he got more profit due to the price increase. And that’s a price most people don’t mind paying because of all the expenses the creator incurs during the creation and shipping of the book,



25 dollars is not CG pricing that’s the norm. A lot of times I see people charge twenty dollars but never 10 unless you want a digital copy.

I mean if a person wants to sell their book for 10 or 15 dollars that’s on them, but they are leaving money on the table .

 

[Newman's Own]

As I recall, the shit between her and Ethan was before Quesadilla took him under his wing. In fact, I think him doing that was essentially one big virtue signal.

Didn't really go anywhere. Bitch has no talent.

Yeah. The Renfamous War was in full swing when I discovered CG. I (to my ever lasting shame) even had a brief "2 minutes of hate moment" where I fixated my rage at her Emmanuel Goldstienesque image before I woke up to the fact that the only thing that made her relevant was CG's collective willingness to make her relevant.

She's a shaby thrift store cosplayer/clout chaser with a talent for trolling on Twitter. She was never anything more but CG built her up to be the Red Skull or whatever.

Captain America needs a Red Skull or readers tune out watching him help cat's out of trees.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I mean if you have to have an enemy, you might as well choose the sort of enemy that could take the public support of the EIC of Marvel Comics and ply that into a bit part in a crowdfunded comic book anthology about "musical horror". I know Strix is going to disagree about the crime of "making Renfamous", but really I couldn't imagine a more harmless enemy to play pattycake with, at least before post-cuck porn Preston or this Forced Adversity guy, than her. It was all going good until even weaker people than renfamous on the Comicsgate side stepped up, like TUG or that bettybrighteyes "CG memer" who tearfully tweeted about his wife ditching him on the subway to hang out with her friends on their wedding night and renfamous finding it, and she actually started getting Ws.

 

[Captain Manning]

when Sweetcast started out making his book Downcast, he was selling it for 15 dollars. That first campaign made 30k and after expenses were done he said he only netted 5k profit.

My dude, I dunno if you know this... but right now, in the United States, the average net profit margin across all industries is approximately 7.71% (source: NYU). Your guy made 16.6%. That ain't bad.

I dunno what new mainstream comic profit margins are, but it's probably not very high.

But leaving that aside, you still can not fully extrapolate Tim's profits from an entirely different example. You are trying to draw conclusions from an incomplete data set.

I mean if a person wants to sell their book for 10 or 15 dollars that’s on them, but they are leaving money on the table .

He's probably playing the long game. Would people buy KA for $25? Probably, yeah. Would as many people pay that? Probably not.

Again, I think his business model is a long term one where he's building a consumer base and counting on profits to climb through volume. It seems to be working too. Each campaign he has run has been more successful than the last.

 

[EGB]

No one asked. Someone just drew a comparison where he was beating ComicsGay on a single metric and you had to rush to defend CG honor with the 'soaking suckers for more money is better than getting your book out to more people defense'.

We get it. You're Woof Pack for life.

Forgive me if I find it amusing.


Perhaps an ever growing audience is more important to Tim than maximizing his cash-out on pay piggies like a CG creator. I know you think that's doing it wrong because he could be soaking them for more and getting less readers but maybe he cares more about his readership more than his short term bottom line.


It's important to Malin. I get that. What I don't get is why it's so important to you.

Yay team I guess...

CG has morphed into a submissive club of sodomites who listen to hours of "gay voice" and revel in their own debasement.

Ethan devoted what 15+ hours to "debating" the Taylor fellow to zero discernible effect - rather than drawing comics he's late on - it's a slow motion pile up of clown cars.

To preempt the pathologically retarded and the amateur fellatio-ists - Methwin something Miller something - Republican something.

CG Cultists I understand your gay-dddy Ethan has decreed to you to be angry at those he deems as suppressives but your largely manifesting a flaccid-servile rage.

 

[Strix454]

As I recall, the shit between her and Ethan was before Quesadilla took her under his wing. In fact, I think him doing that was essentially one big virtue signal.

Didn't really go anywhere. Bitch has no talent.

Renfamous first surfaced on 13-May-2018 getting involved on twitter in the fight between Richard C. Meyer and Mark Waid right after it reached a peak in terms of outside publicity. Meyer had just been dropped by Antarctic Press. It gradually escalated to fighting with Ethan and everyone else in CG at the time.

Around early September 2018, Joe Quesada engaged with some comicsgate critics (smiler, malin and frog....maybe others) and tried to talk what he thought was reason with them. Obviously neither side was going to listen to the other. Joe wanted the pros to denounce and seperate from Richard. The other side was looking for Joe to show some admission that maybe people on the marvel side had done something wrong. Neither side was going to budge. Renfamous then inserted itself into the twitter spat and threw the hardcore insults at the comicagate side that Joe was not willing to throw himself. FROG and company gave up arguing with Joe to slap fight with Renfamous. This seemed to please Joe and he eventually complemented Renfamous.

The weird long interaction between Renfamous and Joe on twitter started then. At least as far as I know.

 

[Captain Manning]

CG has morphed into a submissive club of sodomites who listen to hours of "gay voice" and revel in their own debasement.

That's a bit much, Edwin.

Just call them FAGGOTS. You're allowed to use that word here. We won't ban you.

 

[A nameless trool]

I mean, you do and you don't.

I don't know if you pine for your own enterprise to be as big as manga, but I think you do pine for the days when the American comics industry had its shit together. You did a very nice livestream where you went over what manga is doing right and what American comics are doing wrong.

One of the things I admire about you is that your position on manga's displacement of comics in the U.S. market is more Ronald Reagan than United Auto Workers. IOW, you correctly state that if comics are getting their ass kicked, it's incumbent upon Americans to unfuck themselves. You're not attacking consumers for choosing manga over comics (like die hard comic fanboys would), and you're not making demands on manga (like SJWs in comics are apparently starting to).

Also, the American comic industry had been healthy during the periods where story was king.
The 90s crash came after the time where heroes were dying and being brought back to life (which kind of kills the story) or every single (image) issue came out 4 months late and had at least one new character debuting.
The second colapse came around the time where major events happened every three months and main characters were dying and replaced by "diverse" characters.

There are a lot of market shennanigans going on at the same time, but when US cape comics had a good story (see 60s-80s Marvel, Saga or The Walking Dead) they sold well. Hell, if a Cyberfrog (or even Jawbreakers) album was coming once every six months it would be a hit even with non CG readers.

 

[Captain Manning]

She's a shaby thrift store cosplayer/clout chaser with a talent for trolling on Twitter. She was never anything more but CG built her up to be the Red Skull or whatever.

There's been stories (mainly originating from her) that she was some sort of disinformation agent in the employ of the GOP, and she's more or less a hired gun.

Example:

Came up several times in the course of WW.

Some people believe it. I don't, because the only evidence I've seen for it is her saying so, and I don't consider her credible enough to be "self-authenticating."

That said, you're absolutely correct that her troll game is on point. She gets attention far disproportionate to her station.

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

It is! I just don't know if it's intentionally or unintentionally hilarious.

The first I hope. Watching it back that deep voice cracks me up. The hard question is how do I degrade myself further than that?

There's been stories (mainly originating from her) that she was some sort of disinformation agent in the employ of the GOP, and she's more or less a hired gun.

Example:
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Came up several times in the course of WW

Disinformation agent for shadowy government cabal is my dream occupation. Give me control of a real Russian Troll Factory and see what happens.

 

[Newman's Own]

It was all going good until even weaker people than renfamous on the Comicsgate side stepped up, like TUG or that bettybrighteyes "CG memer" who tearfully tweeted about his wife ditching him on the subway to hang out with her friends on their wedding night and renfamous finding it, and she actually started getting Ws.

Renfamous started getting W's the moment CG personalities started engaging with instead of ignoring her. Trolls don't need to "win" interactions to accomplish their goals. They only need the attention.

It made for interesting content pretending she was some kind of existential threat but the only way she could be a threat at all was if CG gave her O2 which they were more than happy to do.

She helped sell a lot of books to CG culture warriors though and gained herself some of the notoriety she so desperately craved.

Win win.

The only losers in the Renfamous Wars were the fools that took her seriously at all, which was the majority of ComicsGate.

 

[Strix454]

Renfamous started getting W's the moment CG personalities started engaging with instead of ignoring her. Trolls don't need to "win" interactions to accomplish their goals. They only need the attention.

The irony in the situation is that Richard did very similar things in 2017 with comics pros with similar results. They got baited into fighting with a nobody and made him into a somebody. Every tweet and every response to him amounted to marketing for him at their expense. And every response people at marvel & IDW gave him turned into video content. Responding to total nobodies is almost always a mistake.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The irony in the situation is that Richard did very similar things in 2017 with comics pros with similar results. They got baited into fighting with a nobody and made him into a somebody. Every tweet and every response to him amounted to marketing for him at their expense. And every response people at marvel & IDW gave him turned into video content. Responding to total nobodies is almost always a mistake.

You just hit the problem with these movement grifts. Eventually the fight itself becomes more important than the actual cause as more people become dependent on the revenue generated by fighting. If the enemy is vanquished a new one must be invented or the money dries up.

 

[Newman's Own]

The irony in the situation is that Richard did very similar things in 2017 with comics pros with similar results. They got baited into fighting with a nobody and made him into a somebody. Every tweet and every response to him amounted to marketing for him at their expense. And every response people at marvel & IDW gave him turned into video content. Responding to total nobodies is almost always a mistake.

CG was a movement right up until it got monetized. Then it was slapfights for clicks and comics/superchat money.

I was dumb enough to think it was a movement for a few months before I realized almost all of the drama was directed inward to generate content.

I realized that it was a sleazy ugly mess that revolved around selling outrage and any outrage would do.

Fool me once...

If the enemy is vanquished a new one must be invented or the money dries up.

What CG needs right now is a debate series with SJWs no one has ever heard of.

After all even the Farms is getting bored with laughing at it all.