#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Stupendus]

Iconic Comics doesn't need to step down by incorporating Richard into their business, they are thriving on their own IP's and customer service model. You don't pour sugar in the gas tank.

 

[The Coon]

Iconic Comics doesn't need to step down by incorporating Richard into their business, they are thriving on their own IP's and customer service model. You don't pour sugar in the gas tank.

A year or two ago I would think Zack going to Iconic would be a great idea. They aren't his friends, so could be more harsh with the tard wrangling than @FROG could. Also, those guys, for the most part, stay out of drama and just do their work. These seem like things that would have been perfect for Zack. But now, Iconics star is on the rise(skyrocketing actually) and Zacks brand is done. There is no reason for Iconic to give him the time of day.

 

[Spill Beans]

Richard fell out of love. It happens. He's not equipped to run a publishing company, but taking advice from a guy who has also savagely squandered his rare comics opportunity to prioritize that shock jock lifestyle, won't fix a thing.

 

[FROG]

Richard fell out of love. It happens. He's not equipped to run a publishing company, but taking advice from a guy who has also savagely squandered his rare comics opportunity to prioritize that shock jock lifestyle, won't fix a thing.

I've spent the last two years publishing and fulfilling CYBERFROG UNFROGETTABLE TALES 1-4. STARBLADES, CREED: Re-Imaginary #1&2, CYBERFROG: WARTS AND ALL, while producing 70 pages of new CYBERFROG content, dozens of covers and creating toys and merch. Every project I'm involved in raises 6 figures in funding.

The YouTube radio show stuff makes that possible, but it hasn't been prioritized over anything else. It's just a very important part of the job.

 

[A nameless trool]

I've spent the last two years publishing and fulfilling CYBERFROG UNFROGETTABLE TALES 1-4. STARBLADES, CREED: Re-Imaginary #1&2, CYBERFROG: WARTS AND ALL, while producing 70 pages of new CYBERFROG content, dozens of covers and creating toys and merch. Every project I'm involved in raises 6 figures in funding.

The YouTube radio show stuff makes that possible, but it hasn't been prioritized over anything else. It's just a very important part of the job.

What I get from you and Zack is that he is the Captain America and you are the Tony Stark of the CG Avengers.
He is simple, singleminded and has a lot of blue collar ethics to him.
You are extravagant and part of an elite for decades.

When you have a common foe you will join forces and fight.
When there is no common foe though, you don't meet eye to eye.
To you, the "radio show" is something you enjoy and that brings you and other people money.
To Zack, it is not interesting. The way he is bitching about Amber Heard videos feels like he is considering you sellouts and he is turning into Captain Cummings.
Or Trotsky to your Stalin

The root of the issue, though, is that you don't have a common enemy anymore (and this has been a problem with CG for quite some time with WC and Liam and whatever Slumtown drama happens) and you all act like a bunch of bitches.

 

[jspit2.0]

Nah that's not what this is. Meyer talked up a big game for years. That if only the mainstream would listen to his proscriptions from on high, American comics could be saved. People who believed in what he said gave him two million dollars to do things his way and prove what he's saying is the real deal. Meyer then took that money and proceeded to farm out every aspect of his "lifelong dream" to contractors and his incompetent third-party fulfillment agency (Dynamite Comics, btw) while he fucked around in his backyard, taking the behavior he criticized and elevating it to new unprecedented levels. If Dan Slott used a blockbot to get rid of critics on twitter, Meyer would interact with social media one way, refusing all forms of interaction or even interviews in lieu of yelling at twitter screenshots on his youtube channel. If Marvel or DC editorial seemed unaccountable to fans or customers, Meyer wouldn't even disclose the name of the fulfillment agency actually handling their orders. If people felt DC or Marvel were mismanaging their characters and replacing them with unwanted politically charged garbage, Zack would kill off his flagship franchise at issue #3 and put out Impossible Stars and PANdemIC instead. You get the picture.

Whenever any of this way pointed out, or how he was consistently unwilling to practice what he preached, the go to answer was some gay bullshit sob story about how "renfamous gave him PTSD that's why he does this" or whatever. If you think someone like that can do what Doug Ernst has done, I don't know what to tell you.

Faced with the increasingly undeniable sales reality encroaching through his endless baseless boomer blather, that you actually do need to engage with your customers/fans, that customers do expect what they paid for when they were told they would get it, that building a fandom is an unavoidable fact of self-marketing in the 21st century instead of his dumbass "hot dog vendor" theory. That maybe some of his armchair quarterback theorycrafting of the comic book industry might just be wrong and that other people might actually have a better grasp of things than he does, his response was to lock himself up on a hugbox and then simply quit.

Doesn't really seem like a "quixotic hero" to me.


Publicly, sure. In DMs though it seems to be a different story as @Starscreams Cape noted earlier tonight with more one-way demanding of help without so much as a public acknowledgment. That's why I'd consider it a favor to Frog if Meyer just hopped over to Iconic Comics. It certainly wouldn't be a favor to Iconic Comics.


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I'm amazed people are still talking about him.

@FROG, loath as I am to give Richard Meyer anything, he's right on this.

You're success is not replicable, because there can only be so many internet daddies.

What I get from you and Zack is that he is the Captain America and you are the Tony Stark of the CG Avengers.
He is simple, singleminded and has a lot of blue collar ethics to him.
You are extravagant and part of an elite for decades.

When you have a common foe you will join forces and fight.
When there is no common foe though, you don't meet eye to eye.
To you, the "radio show" is something you enjoy and that brings you and other people money.
To Zack, it is not interesting. The way he is bitching about Amber Heard videos feels like he is considering you sellouts and he is turning into Captain Cummings.
Or Trotsky to your Stalin

The root of the issue, though, is that you don't have a common enemy anymore (and this has been a problem with CG for quite some time with WC and Liam and whatever Slumtown drama happens) and you all act like a bunch of bitches.

That's a surprisingly marxist analysis with some deep cut there. I think more than a few CG creators would enact their own Animal farm given half the chance

 

[Rupin]

Did Zack and Tim Lim have a falling out? Cuz I’m surprised that he didn’t have Tim Lim on his list of replicable successes. Like aside from from Frog and Doug Tenaple, Tim is arguably the most successful CG adjacent creator out there that achieved their success through their own hard work.

 

[A nameless trool]

That's a surprisingly marxist analysis with some deep cut there. I think more than a few CG creators would enact their own Animal farm given half the chance

To me CG is a great example of a modern Marxist movement: the people taking the means of productions away from multinationals and into their own hands. And it leads down to the same issues Marxism had.
Meanwhile, the SJWs represent the late stage capitalism or neoliberalist side of producing comics and have also hit the main problems that neoliberal capitalism faces

Maybe YBZ is more Lenin than Trotsky (TFM is more Trotksist imho) but @FROG is the Stalin of CG.

PS: And what drives me crazy with Basedtubers is that they claim: "SJWs believe that if you are to the left of Stalin you are a nazi" while in fact, when it comes to the US, everyone to the left of Hitler is a filthy commie and some of the things they are outraged about (like, say, affordable healthcare) only far-right European parties would dare consider limiting.

 

[jspit2.0]

To me CG is a great example of a modern Marxist movement: the people taking the means of productions away from multinationals and into their own hands. And it leads down to the same issues Marxism had.
Meanwhile, the SJWs represent the late stage capitalism or neoliberalist side of producing comics and have also hit the main problems that neoliberal capitalism faces

Maybe YBZ is more Lenin than Trotsky (TFM is more Trotksist imho) but @FROG is the Stalin of CG.

That plays into the propaganda Frog and company have of Richard being the founder of CG rather than a part of the more palatable later wave. It's probably fitting.

Maybe he would fit in with Bukharin in that Frog and Richard have less ideological disagreement than they are different in funcitonal preferences?

Did Zack and Tim Lim have a falling out? Cuz I’m surprised that he didn’t have Tim Lim on his list of replicable successes. Like aside from from Frog and Doug Tenaple, Tim is arguably the most successful CG adjacent creator out there that achieved their success through their own hard work.

Lim/Earnst have legitimate beef with Richard letting Frog loose his goons on them.

The most they've done, from my memory, is a veiled swipe by Earnst about Meyers only contacting him to try to steal one of his artists?

 

[A nameless trool]

That plays into the propaganda Frog and company have of Richard being the founder of CG rather than a part of the more palatable later wave. It's probably fitting.

Maybe he would fit in with Bukharin in that Frog and Richard have less ideological disagreement than they are different in funcitonal preferences?



Lim/Earnst have legitimate beef with Richard letting Frog loose his goons on them.

The most they've done, from my memory, is a veiled swipe by Earnst about Meyers only contacting him to try to steal one of his artists?

There would be no CG without YBZ. Nobody remembers Captin Cummings, Englentine and Meme Headroom (wasn't Miccah Curtis also active back then?) YBZ brought their ideas to the masses.

PS: The Critical Drinker was talking about a movie called "The Death of Stalin" which is also a comicbook. Give it a watch/read with CG in mind and it becomes an apt depiction of the state of CG.

 

[Rupin]

There would be no CG without YBZ. Nobody remembers Captin Cummings, Englentine and Meme Headroom (wasn't Miccah Curtis also active back then?) YBZ brought their ideas to the masses.

This is true. Although Zack and Captian Cummings were my introduction to to CG, Captain Cummings got boring really fast when he started veering off into hard right politics and took his focus off of trashing bad comics. Englentine was also one of my favorites, but once Gabby Rivera’s run on America Chavez ended, it felt like his channel lost its focus. Zack also made his channel big through Gabby’s run on America as well but, he managed to keep his audience’s attention by smoothly moving on to the next trashfire in comics.

I think I came in a little too late for Mim Headroom, cuz he had Made his farewell video to CG by the time I had heard about him.

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

when it comes to the US, everyone to the left of Hitler is a filthy commie and some of the things they are outraged about (like, say, affordable healthcare) only far-right European parties would dare consider limiting.

The fact that Hillary is considered on the left is hilarious to everyone outside of America.

 

[A nameless trool]

The fact that Hillary is considered on the left is hilarious to everyone outside of America.

Well, she fits right in with New Labour.

 

[jspit2.0]

There would be no CG without YBZ. Nobody remembers Captin Cummings, Englentine and Meme Headroom (wasn't Miccah Curtis also active back then?) YBZ brought their ideas to the masses.

PS: The Critical Drinker was talking about a movie called "The Death of Stalin" which is also a comicbook. Give it a watch/read with CG in mind and it becomes an apt depiction of the state of CG.

That's not true. It's like saying without Metokur there wouldn't be GG or without Nerdrotic there's no Fandom Menace. The incipient events leading to CG happened without Meyer.

CG would have existed, but not as we know it. Needles and whatever else.

I'll look it up.

This is true. Although Zack and Captian Cummings were my introduction to to CG, Captain Cummings got boring really fast when he started veering off into hard right politics and took his focus off of trashing bad comics.

Richard was inspired by those videos and then aped them. Hence my 'more palatable.'

Englentine was also one of my favorites, but once Gabby Rivera’s run on America Chavez ended, it felt like his channel lost its focus. Zack also made his channel big through Gabby’s run on America as well but, he managed to keep his audience’s attention by smoothly moving on to the next trashfire in comics.

He also proved to be less of a flaming faggot. That may sound like a low bar, but I like to think of that 'discussion' between Malin and Frog and Englantine and whoever.

Internet movements are built on culture war incidents then consecrated in bread tubing and blood sports.

I think I came in a little too late for Mim Headroom, cuz he had Made his farewell video to CG by the time I had heard about him.

RIP. He was probably one of the few decent alternative channels when it came to comic book cringe. He's since hard disavowed EVSCG and is more or less a non-entity.

With the CGslums a burning wreck; will a new figure step up to the void of critical advocacy? The Poz show seems to be dead, Vikki/Dean are broken up with Dean done with CG. Vikki is continuing, just posting a video on the trademark case. However, after two days she's only gotten around two hundred views and it's fair to say she's not going to be winning hearts and minds for a while.

The Comic Book Hutt has been putting out an interesting video or two.

Hutt boy might have added in a clip of Billy Tucci or the Pro creators who use Kickstarter, people Frog promotes and doesn't fatwa and how hypocritical this is. But he didn't. Because he's the Hutt. Instead he latched on to Frog comparing CG to a motorcycle club. Fitting as his shows continue to be full of boomer fifty somethings with ever receding hairlines that would fit in perfectly on some hogs.

Well Read has continued his reviews, with recent Narzack abomination work of art Is this You? not only being reviewed, but featuring guest NarWhal!

 

[BlueKnight]

The fact that Hillary is considered on the left is hilarious to everyone outside of America.

Hillary is hard left as long as it suits her thirst for absolute power.

 

[jspit2.0]

The fact that Hillary is considered on the left is hilarious to everyone outside of America.

That's some eurotrash there...

No, in most of the world Hillary circa 2016 was far left. She would have, had she won, been the furthest ideologically left leaning person to hold the Oval Office. She was socially liberal, campaigning on gun control, gay supremacy, and abortion subsidized by tax payers. Fiscally, she was fully on board with government taking over health care and in fact was a major reason for the '94 wave as she pushed the failed medical reforms that cost them support. She's a true blue liberal whose to the left of the majority of the world and would only be considered not left wing in the handful of Western European countries where liberalism has more or less shifted the Overton window.

 

[A nameless trool]

That's not true. It's like saying without Metokur there wouldn't be GG or without Nerdrotic there's no Fandom Menace. The incipient events leading to CG happened without Meyer.

CG would have existed, but not as we know it. Needles and whatever else.

Milkshakegate and The Dark Roast are critical events and YBZ was in the center of them.
Captain Cummings may have been the one YBZ copied, but it was his delivery and honest outrage that sold them to a wider audience.

That's some eurotrash there...

No, in most of the world Hillary circa 2016 was far left. She would have, had she won, been the furthest ideologically left leaning person to hold the Oval Office. She was socially liberal, campaigning on gun control, gay supremacy, and abortion subsidized by tax payers. Fiscally, she was fully on board with government taking over health care and in fact was a major reason for the '94 wave as she pushed the failed medical reforms that cost them support. She's a true blue liberal whose to the left of the majority of the world and would only be considered not left wing in the handful of Western European countries where liberalism has more or less shifted the Overton window.

Politisperging, but this is the most basic bitch European worker/labour/democratic party politics ever. Berine Saunders is your average boomer center-leftist candidate in Western Europe.
Her platform could easily lead to what to someone like Angela Merkel did in Germany.
Hint: Merkel is not a leftist...

 

[jspit2.0]

Milkshakegate and The Dark Roast are critical events

Not really for CG. The events were Gabby and America. The corrupt comic book companies and media.

The Dark Roast was critical for Richard.

and YBZ was in the center of them.

Yeah. Seeking attention.

Captain Cummings may have been the one YBZ copied, but it was his delivery and honest outrage that sold them to a wider audience.

At this point we're more or less debating whether another semi-intelligent person would have inevitably come along or one of a host of hungry grifters would have stumbled in. No definitive way to answer.

As to Dickie's sincerity? I can't read his heart, only go by what he's done. His actions make his statements come of as insincere.

 

[BlueKnight]

Milkshakegate and The Dark Roast are critical events and YBZ was in the center of them.
Captain Cummings may have been the one YBZ copied, but it was his delivery and honest outrage that sold them to a wider audience.


Politisperging, but this is the most basic bitch European worker/labour/democratic party politics ever. Berine Saunders is your average boomer center-leftist candidate in Western Europe.
Her platform could easily lead to what to someone like Angela Merkel did in Germany.
Hint: Merkel is not a leftist...

It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks or does politically, in American politics, she's an absolutely left wing ideologue but again, you can call it dumb all you like but she will absolutely compromise any belief she has if it stands in the way of her having power.

 

[Mecha II]

so stupid... it just might work. I don't know who Troy is. I went to Meyers, talked about our appreciation for Larry Hama, and came up with the concept. Then Dixon came in, put some structure to it, and added some cool montages. Will people like it? I don't know. hope so.
SIDENOTE: Somebody sent me a copy of the crusade book...

That's interesting. So you are saying you came up with the concept? My theory was unprovable I'll admit but I suppose if you are taking credit for RNRN it's completely blown out of the water. I find it really interesting that Zack is finding collaborations this way. Were you just a fan of his work, or did you come to him with that specific business idea? Did he reach out to you?

I have to ask specifically if you are where the playing in a band angle came from, or was it Zack/Dixon/(Troy)?

I like your art, looking forward to your next projects. Especially anything involving jda.