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When you're right, you're right.

It's the main reason I can't watch most of this stuff anymore. The culture war has becoming such a bore with the way these consoomers just bitch and moan yet continue consooming.
The appeal and curse of Simple Zack is that when he is right he is right. To me his youtube career is like a broken clock: he is mostly wrong but right twice a day.
We can laugh about "simple Zack" as a meme, but I do believe he is quite intelligent but not properly wired to hit the conclusions most people would. I am not qualified to diagnose Neurodiverse conditions but consulting someone who can would help him a lot in his life. My impression is that he fails to understand the concept of doublespeech and focuses on details that do not matter. Is it ADHD? Is it PTSD? Is it functional autism or Aspergers? I don't know.
In an alternate reality, where he would not have stumbled upon Capn Spergings videos, he would have done a Perch-on-steroids channel - and may have failed to be successful - and a lot of "he turns his back on comicsgate" is him feeling the cognitive dissonance between what CG claims to be and what it is: washed out pros and wannabes fleecing concervative geeks.
He is seeing people he was friends with Stalin-filtered out of the EVSCG.
And he is not properly wired to play that part and gradually getting Edgar Starked.

Edit: If we agree to use communist analogies for CG personalities, I believe we can agree Liam is the Pol Pot of CG.
 
I think the appeal to Zack was that he spoke freely and honestly, even if he was wrong and retarded half of the time. When he restrains himself, his videos are 100% worthless and boring. He's been biting his tongue for years now about the celebrity gossip grift. Could this be a return to the good old days?
 
I think the appeal to Zack was that he spoke freely and honestly, even if he was wrong and retarded half of the time. When he restrains himself, his videos are 100% worthless and boring. He's been biting his tongue for years now about the celebrity gossip grift. Could this be a return to the good old days?
Also the underdog willing to stand up and punch the bully in the mouth. Until that became too stressful of course.
 
I think the appeal to Zack was that he spoke freely and honestly, even if he was wrong and retarded half of the time. When he restrains himself, his videos are 100% worthless and boring. He's been biting his tongue for years now about the celebrity gossip grift. Could this be a return to the good old days?

I remember at one point I thought Splatto Del Gato had become the better channel because it was just him giving his honest opinions about movies and shit. I stopped watching it a while ago though so I don't know if he still does it or if it went to shit too, but thinking about that makes me think you're correct.
 
I remember at one point I thought Splatto Del Gato had become the better channel because it was just him giving his honest opinions about movies and shit. I stopped watching it a while ago though so I don't know if he still does it or if it went to shit too, but thinking about that makes me think you're correct.
I believe he does so, but I seldom watch it because by now it is well documented that YBZ movie takes are... exceptional.
At some point he was doing Sex and the City reviews which were... basically a throwback to the era SntC was considered peak feminism and the best thing on TV.
Yes, it was the 90s, the decade better forgotten...

However I do remember when he defended James Gunn in a video, about his pedo jokes being just jokes and then EVS gave him a come to Jesus moment and he had to make a double-take because their side got a scalp and he had to stay silent and walk it back. I lost a lot of respect back then.
 
New York will chew Richard up and spit him out. And when it's all said and done, I hope he has an epiphany and realizes how badly he fucked up.

He had the keys to the kingdom and he threw it all away to play grab-ass with Narwal and larp around as one of his Sex and the City characters..

I think a lot of this had to do with the people he decided to surround himself with and be friends with. They saw Richard as a tool to use for their own personal agendas.

After hearing his plans for his latest abortion of a book, Kelsey Shannon should have said, "Richard, you need to cut this shit out right now and focus on Jawbreakers before you destroy your fucking business!" That's what a real friend would have said. But Kelsey probably said, "OMG Richard, that's such a brilliant idea! So, how much am I getting paid again?"

And guys who genuinely give him good advice and want to help him and see him succeed like FROG, he spurns and goes in the exact opposite direction. Richard had a successful business model going for awhile and he decided to stop doing what worked. The tale of Richard C Meyer will be a future case study for people in how NOT to conduct business within comics.
 
New York will chew Richard up and spit him out. And when it's all said and done, I hope he has an epiphany and realizes how badly he fucked up.

He had the keys to the kingdom and he threw it all away to play grab-ass with Narwal and larp around as one of his Sex and the City characters..

I think a lot of this had to do with the people he decided to surround himself with and be friends with. They saw Richard as a tool to use for their own personal agendas.

After hearing his plans for his latest abortion of a book, Kelsey Shannon should have said, "Richard, you need to cut this shit out right now and focus on Jawbreakers before you destroy your fucking business!" That's what a real friend would have said. But Kelsey probably said, "OMG Richard, that's such a brilliant idea! So, how much am I getting paid again?"

And guys who genuinely give him good advice and want to help him and see him succeed like FROG, he spurns and goes in the exact opposite direction. Richard had a successful business model going for awhile and he decided to stop doing what worked. The tale of Richard C Meyer will be a future case study for people in how NOT to conduct business within comics.
He has new friends:
 
The appeal and curse of Simple Zack is that when he is right he is right. To me his youtube career is like a broken clock: he is mostly wrong but right twice a day.
We can laugh about "simple Zack" as a meme, but I do believe he is quite intelligent but not properly wired to hit the conclusions most people would. I am not qualified to diagnose Neurodiverse conditions but consulting someone who can would help him a lot in his life. My impression is that he fails to understand the concept of doublespeech and focuses on details that do not matter. Is it ADHD? Is it PTSD? Is it functional autism or Aspergers? I don't know.
I completely agree that Zack is plenty smart enough but seems pathologically unable to reach the correct conclusions, particularly if those conclusions require him to reconsider any preconceived notions he may have. He frequently engages in confirmation bias, coming to a conclusion first and working backwards to justify it and completely ignoring anything that may point to factors he has already concluded are irrelevant or that indicate he might be operating from a false premise.

Nobody likes to admit they were wrong about anything, but Zack takes the cake sometimes. I always go back to his "CROWDFUNDING IS DYING" video as a YBZ masterclass on flawed reasoning mixed with the complete inability to accurately self-reflect. The last time he admitted he was wrong about something was when Gary had to call him out for saying Disney hadn't adapted any Marvel stories from the past 10 years, which was demonstrably false. Even then he made up some weird shit about how he wasn't really wrong because even if you adapt Captain Marvel and call her Carol Danvers and give her the same costume and powers but change her origin story, it counts as a completely new character.

I think the appeal to Zack was that he spoke freely and honestly, even if he was wrong and retarded half of the time. When he restrains himself, his videos are 100% worthless and boring. He's been biting his tongue for years now about the celebrity gossip grift. Could this be a return to the good old days?
Probably not.

He still has the capacity to make a gem every now and then (like his "Vita Ayala might be legitimately retarded" video) but it's mostly a watered down version of his old shit. He doesn't go off on angry rants anymore, he doesn't hurl insults at idiots or their work, he doesn't really do much of anything that brought him to the table. Even his unironic use of the term "SJW" seems out of date and boomery in 2022.

I honestly can't see him making a return to form going after the FNT, G+G, TUG, or EVS gossip mills. But what do I know? He seems to jump from one thing to the other pretty easily.

I remember at one point I thought Splatto Del Gato had become the better channel because it was just him giving his honest opinions about movies and shit. I stopped watching it a while ago though so I don't know if he still does it or if it went to shit too, but thinking about that makes me think you're correct.
Watching SDG is what made me realize Zack's opinion on art wasn't worth listening to. The guy really only watches action movies (and apparently Sex and the City) and can't even get his squirrel brain to settle down long enough to watch a movie all at once. If it takes you 2 or 3 days to watch a brainless 90 minute bullets-and-karate show in 5 minute increments, why should I care what you think makes a good story?

So when he starts talking about Narwhal being a genius or how comics pros have a duty to spew their bullshit political sperging about current events in their work because "that's the job of an artist", I remember this guy almost exclusively eats fast food, thinks G.I. Joe is the height of narrative fiction, and can't watch a whole movie.

After hearing his plans for his latest abortion of a book, Kelsey Shannon should have said, "Richard, you need to cut this shit out right now and focus on Jawbreakers before you destroy your fucking business!" That's what a real friend would have said. But Kelsey probably said, "OMG Richard, that's such a brilliant idea! So, how much am I getting paid again?"
I imagine Kelsey took him to the fucking cleaners. Zack needed that book finished extremely quickly and Kelsey obliged with 26 pages of slapdash, sketchbook quality art. That's absolutely no rip on Kelsey, he's a quality artist and was given a 26 page project to finish in what must have been 2 or 3 weeks. Kudos to him for getting it done and I'm sure he charged YBZ a premium for finishing it in record time. Zack says he spent $25k on that thing and I bet a hefty percentage was Kelsey's page rate.

And guys who genuinely give him good advice and want to help him and see him succeed like FROG, he spurns and goes in the exact opposite direction. Richard had a successful business model going for awhile and he decided to stop doing what worked. The tale of Richard C Meyer will be a future case study for people in how NOT to conduct business within comics.
My favorite shit is his insistence that livestreaming for campaigns doesn't work when he's the poster boy for how well it can work.

I know EVS keeps going to bat for him saying he owes Zack for his own success, but at this point I think Zack is the one who owes Ethan. Jawbreakers doesn't make $400k without Ethan's show. Once again, Zack not wanting to do something is because it "doesn't work" and not because he's a sped.
 
I should clarify, when I say I thought SDG had become better at one point, I mean more entertaining.

But I think I'm also forgetting that his dumbass takes stopped being humorous at some point so I stopped watching that channel as well. He really started watching Sex and the City?
 
Jeremy added "Uche", a former NFL player, to the Geeks and Gamers team for a sports channel, and Zack Snyder is an NFL fan. So Uche was invited to be a part of the charity, and he tried to back-door Geeks and Gamers to the party.

Evidently, he was able to get Jeremy some brief face time with Snyder. Snyder's people did some research afterwards and told G&G to fuck off. "We'll accept your money, but you cannot associate your brand with our cause."
the funny thing is that Snyder's team probably told G&G's even before the stream to fuck off, as they did not even host this big charity on their own channel, where they would get even more views and more money would have been raised. But they rather had the stream on Uche's channel, who at the time didn't even have 10k subs. And this was for sure the request of Snyder, cause there's no way he would appear on their main channel. Also, lucky for G&G's, that they had a sjw black guy on the team. I gotta give it to Jeremy, cause he's great at recruiting this token black, latino and female characters, just so he can show how diverse his team of retards is.
 
Big names like...Mandy Summers?

Nah, she's definitely asteroid belt material. Small names can sell too, but they have to work really hard to build up a following. Hitching wagons onto a bigger name is a shortcut and in the short term it can help tremendously but if you screw up and/or you fall out of favor with the big name, you gotta watch your butt. None of these CG or CG-adjacents are under contract with Sciverfrog so the kind of professionalism that might help all parties navigate through occasional conflicts is thrown out the window and all you have left is one or both sides with perma-trashed reputations on the internets. There aren't many people who know how to deescalate a situation. The best example of those who bucked that trend is Doug Ernst. YBZ was pretty good at absorbing hits too, but he also ignored the crucial feedback that genuinely could have helped him.
 
Overblown narrative... that's rich. It always bothers me when these Fandom Menace types tries to downplay critique against their channels (when its hard to tell when their MCU critique or whatever is genuine/which is just play acting). Synder didn't want to be associated with the G&G (muh brand!) and they either should have kept to the agreement or done a charity drive themselves. Frog laid it out now, did so back then, they cucked for clout and also, Jeremy doesn't even like Synder's comicbook movies, why was he simping for him in the first place?
 
It's stillborn because the OP sucks. Nobody can figure out why or how they're cows just from reading the OP. A bad OP will consign any thread to PG purgatory indefinitely. I think @LoZza either needs to greatly expand it, or let somebody else have a shot. There did seem to be be general agreement further on in the thread that Mecharandom42 is a lolcow.
Looks like it's still being edited as of this week actually so I will continue to monitor.

Compare to the Dean and Vikki thread, which apparently sailed through PG in like 72 hours because a great deal of the tard cum was properly archived, indexed, and front-loaded in the OP.
That is a fuck huge OP, almost needs a wiki. I see what you mean.
 
It's stillborn because the OP sucks. Nobody can figure out why or how they're cows just from reading the OP. A bad OP will consign any thread to PG purgatory indefinitely. I think @LoZza either needs to greatly expand it, or let somebody else have a shot. There did seem to be be general agreement further on in the thread that Mecharandom42 is a lolcow.
I'm happy for someone else to take the thread, there were alot of people and I wanted to give a shitposty rundown rather than be really extensive. I also just haven't had the time to expand on it
 
A bit late, but the thought occurred to me the other day that people who rarely read outside this thread might welcome non-CG confirmation that Vito is a self-confessed pedo. I am aware a lot of people here are inclined to not trust anyone on @FROG's panel.

Accordingly:

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Null discussed this back in January:


As you can plainly see, @FROG ain't wrong to not want to touch this disgusting fat fuck with a barge pole, and Shelia wasn't lying.

I will simply reiterate that I think JDA should pull his head out of his ass before he makes a big mistake.

That is a fuck huge OP, almost needs a wiki. I see what you mean.
It's arguably overkill. My eyes went wide when I first saw it in PG.

But the point is that having a fuckton of information will always work way more in your favor than an OP leaving the reader asking "where's the funny?" And that, I think, is what has stalled out the TFM thread going live.
 
That's interesting. So you are saying you came up with the concept? My theory was unprovable I'll admit but I suppose if you are taking credit for RNRN it's completely blown out of the water. I find it really interesting that Zack is finding collaborations this way. Were you just a fan of his work, or did you come to him with that specific business idea? Did he reach out to you?
i'm saying I went to him with one thing, and he mentioned something else, the life of Larry Hama, and we burritoed them both together. I'm absolutely taking credit for RNRN and the only two other people I interacted with was Meyers and Dixon. Dixon wrote the script, but I've added all kinds of great Geof Darrow type stuff into the book. I'm 100% earning my "co-creator" title.

I was a fan of his videos, I was listening to them in my office as an art director. He said "THE MARVEL YOU WANT TO WORK FOR IS GONE." and then not long after that he said he was having a hard time finding GOOD artists that would work for him because of the heat. ( I went to SVA. I had Klaus Janson, Joe orlando, and Gene Colon as instructors, I really thought I'd work for Marvel until I died. But I found out the comic industry is filled with carni's and then ABC/ESPN called me up and I headed in that direction. way better pay, but it's not comics. ) I emailed him samples of my work, a link to my site, and a few quick story concepts. He liked the art and one of the story ideas. We were rocking and rolling within 24 hours of the first email.
No clue what's up with the video recently. Sounds like he wants to hang out with people other than comic nerds. I have stuff lined up with him going into next year🤙
 
A bit late, but the thought occurred to me the other day that people who rarely read outside this thread might welcome non-CG confirmation that Vito is a self-confessed pedo. I am aware a lot of people here are inclined to not trust anyone on @FROG's panel.

Accordingly:

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Null discussed this back in January:


As you can plainly see, @FROG ain't wrong to not want to touch this disgusting fat fuck with a barge pole, and Shelia wasn't lying.

I will simply reiterate that I think JDA should pull his head out of his ass before he makes a big mistake.


It's arguably overkill. My eyes went wide when I first saw it in PG.

But the point is that having a fuckton of information will always work way more in your favor than an OP leaving the reader asking "where's the funny?" And that, I think, is what has stalled out the TFM thread going live.

JDA already went full retard by saying that he would platform the pedo in the first place.
 
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