#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Own]

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Hut "gave control of his channel" to Ernst or that he was "creating all of Hut's content". I don't think anyone, even Hut, is making this claim.

I read that claim here. Search the word "puppet" in this thread over the last week and you'll see what I mean. My understanding is that Hutt said he was following orders and Ernst has been responsible for most if not all the retarded things Hutt has done on his channel the last three years. Am I getting that wrong?

Sharing a few videos with Hutt is not a gay op. It's just sharing videos. The element of "control" is the only thing that makes this narrative interesting or a gay op.

Hut says he has much more evidence of deeper involvement and I suspect he's be able to give us a clearer picture of exactly how many videos Ernst edited and scripted for him. When he comes out of hiding, he may let more shit spill. Until then, it's all speculation.

When has hut ever "had the evidence" and not sperged out about it on is channel non-stop?

Strange he should go silent at the precise moment he could release his receipts and lay waste to his perceived enemies. (if only in his own mind)

Speculation is right.

it would probably be easier to get an accurate number by going to Hut's channel and counting up the videos that meet the criteria of "about CG and competently edited" but that's not possible since Hut went DFE on a lot of the anti-CG stuff.

Exactly.

Instead, let's take Hutt's word for it. He wouldn't lie. Right?

Dude, how much charisma and secret genius intellect do you honestly think it takes to manipulate a friendless retard?

Ethan with his admittedly very impressive charisma couldn't keep his retard from going off the reservation frequently and embarrassingly.

Spergs are like fire hoses. If you point them at a target it gets soaked but if you don't maintain tight control over it all Hell breaks lose.

The dumber the sperg the harder they are to control. Liam is a good example. While stupid he wasn't Sketch stupid and he was easy to manipulate for years until he was no longer useful. But Sketch has been beyond anyone's control.

Hutt is much more like Sketch than like Liam. Wrangling full on tards is much harder than wrangling garden variety dumbies.

Any theory you have about this situation that requires a modicum of cunning, guile, or cleverness on Hut's part can probably be safely discarded.

I don't have any theories about Hutt like that. He's totally unreliable which is why I don't take his word that since Doug sent him some video Doug was actually in charge the whole time.

Weren't all of these videos just clips of Frog contradicting himself?

The way it looks to me is that Doug would pre slice and dice the clips and maybe an outline of talking points, but I don't buy for a minute this was thrust upon Christopher. I think Christopher probably asked for help and Doug not being a fan of Frog & Co. obliged perhaps using the opportunity to seed speculation or at least to chip away at the edges of CG until something was ripe for an exposé.

Sure, I can see Doug helping Hutt out with his videos when asked or even sending Hutt unsolicited videos if he saw something Frog was doing that pissed him off.

Doing this without advertising it isn't a "gay op". It's just one YouTuber helping another YouTuber rail against a third YouTuber who regularly takes shots at both of them. That's just an internet slap fight. It's literally happening everywhere all the time. All parties involved should be laughed at.

But I don't see a gay op there unless Doug was coordinating some plot behind the scenes. That's what Hutt was claiming wasn't it?

I'm having trouble taking the retards word on it since he went dark rather than dropping the receipts. Is that unreasonable?

Then you said he could have made up this elaborate story, with pics and all, because his crowd funder failed. Which is it? Retard or Doug sabotager, it can't be both.

Retards make up elaborate stories all the time.

"I was just following orders" and "it's all Doug's fault, buy my book" doesn't strike me as that elaborate. I know four year olds who play those cards. The story gets elaborate when they have to back up the claim.

We could ask Hutt to back up his story but suddenly he doesn't want to share with the group for the first time ever.

Probably a coincidence. LOL. We should just take him at his word.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

"I was just following orders" and "it's all Doug's fault, buy my book" doesn't strike me as that elaborate. I know four year olds who play those cards. The story gets elaborate when they have to back up the claim.

We could ask Hutt to back up his story but suddenly he doesn't want to share with the group for the first time ever.

Probably a coincidence. LOL. We should just take him at his word.

Hey @FROG is Hutt on your goon Payroll? Can you demand he answer us

 

[Rupin]

I read that claim here. Search the word "puppet" in this thread over the last week and you'll see what I mean. My understanding is that Hutt said he was following orders and Ernst has been responsible for most if not all the retarded things Hutt has done on his channel the last three years. Am I getting that wrong?

Sharing a few videos with Hutt is not a gay op. It's just sharing videos. The element of "control" is the only thing that makes this narrative interesting or a gay op.


When has hut ever "had the evidence" and not sperged out about it on is channel non-stop?

Strange he should go silent at the precise moment he could release his receipts and lay waste to his perceived enemies. (if only in his own mind)

Speculation is right.


Exactly.

Instead, let's take Hutt's word for it. He wouldn't lie. Right?


Ethan with his admittedly very impressive charisma couldn't keep his retard from going off the reservation frequently and embarrassingly.

Spergs are like fire hoses. If you point them at a target it gets soaked but if you don't maintain tight control over it all Hell breaks lose.

The dumber the sperg the harder they are to control. Liam is a good example. While stupid he wasn't Sketch stupid and he was easy to manipulate for years until he was no longer useful. But Sketch has been beyond anyone's control.

Hutt is much more like Sketch than like Liam. Wrangling full on tards is much harder than wrangling garden variety dumbies.


I don't have any theories about Hutt like that. He's totally unreliable which is why I don't take his word that since Doug sent him some video Doug was actually in charge the whole time.

Weren't all of these videos just clips of Frog contradicting himself?


Sure, I can see Doug helping Hutt out with his videos when asked or even sending Hutt unsolicited videos if he saw something Frog was doing that pissed him off.

Doing this without advertising it isn't a "gay op". It's just one YouTuber helping another YouTuber rail against a third YouTuber who regularly takes shots at both of them. That's just an internet slap fight. It's literally happening everywhere all the time. All parties involved should be laughed at.

But I don't see a gay op there unless Doug was coordinating some plot behind the scenes. That's what Hutt was claiming wasn't it?

I'm having trouble taking the retards word on it since he went dark rather than dropping the receipts. Is that unreasonable?


Retards make up elaborate stories all the time.

"I was just following orders" and "it's all Doug's fault, buy my book" doesn't strike me as that elaborate. I know four year olds who play those cards. The story gets elaborate when they have to back up the claim.

We could ask Hutt to back up his story but suddenly he doesn't want to share with the group for the first time ever.

Probably a coincidence. LOL. We should just take him at his word.

Hut went dark because aside from JDA no one else will fuck with him. Plus, the embarrassment of a DOA campaign coupled with the threat of legal action from Doug. We can see why Hut would tuck his tail between his legs and run away.

Where do you get that Hut is on Ethan’s side after 3 years of constant attack on him and other pro CG creators? Hut has always had nothing but praise for ”The First Muppet” Doug Ernst. Ernst didn’t just share a few videos with Hut, they were hit pieces designed to after pro CG creators. It doesn’t matter if just did it once (we now know he did it multiple times), it’s still a gay op.

 

[Newman's Own]

Where do you get that Hut is on Ethan’s side after 3 years of constant attack on him and other pro CG creators?

I don't have that idea. I just don't take Hutt at his word.

they were hit pieces designed to after pro CG creators

That's an interesting way of looking at clips of Ethan talking.

It doesn’t matter if just did it once (we now know he did it multiple times), it’s still a gay op.

You and I have a differing definition for the term "gay op". Let's ask Google.

Looks more like an internet slap fight you've convinced yourself is a gay op to me.

What were we all supposed to be fooled into thinking from watching clips of Ethan contradicting himself?

 

[Miniluv]

I read that claim here. Search the word "puppet" in this thread over the last week and you'll see what I mean. My understanding is that Hutt said he was following orders and Ernst has been responsible for most if not all the retarded things Hutt has done on his channel the last three years. Am I getting that wrong?

Sharing a few videos with Hutt is not a gay op. It's just sharing videos. The element of "control" is the only thing that makes this narrative interesting or a gay op.

Yeah, there are plenty of instances in the last week of people using the term "puppet" to describe Hut's role in the gay op but I don't know anything about a claim of Ernst being responsible for all of Hut's retardation for the last three years. My understanding is that Hut is claiming Ernst prepped videos targeting CG people and sent them to Hut for release on his channel over that length of time.

If you've not seen the video Hut made that started all of this, Dongs posted it here along with a bullet point list of the claims being made including:

All the clipped videos on Hut's channel of Frog and co looking retarded were supplied by Ernst, because Hut is too stupid to figure out how to clip videos.

Sharing a video of Frog saying something retarded or contradicting himself is one thing, especially if that video is available for anyone to see. As you say, that's not a gay op. Taking the time to splice together a compilation of Ethan/Zack saying retarded shit and sending to Hut along with a title so he can upload it instead of Doug releasing it himself is a little different. There are plenty of "Ethan's Greatest Hits" videos out there put together by people with a CG bone to pick but as far as I can tell, they're uploaded directly from the accounts of the people who have the problem.

When has hut ever "had the evidence" and not sperged out about it on is channel non-stop?

Strange he should go silent at the precise moment he could release his receipts and lay waste to his perceived enemies. (if only in his own mind)

Instead, let's take Hutt's word for it. He wouldn't lie. Right?

But I don't see a gay op there unless Doug was coordinating some plot behind the scenes. That's what Hutt was claiming wasn't it?

I'm having trouble taking the retards word on it since he went dark rather than dropping the receipts. Is that unreasonable?

It's not unreasonable but it also ignores that Hut has already shown that Ernst mailed him personally edited videos with ready to go titles for Hut to upload as well as DMs in which Ernst confirms he'd send a copy of Jawbreakers to Hut for review as long as Hut didn't tell anyone where he got it. Why would Ernst care if people knew he provided a copy of Zack's book to Hut?

Keep in mind that Ernst has yet to deny any of these allegations, instead opting to threaten lolsuits. If Hut really reached out to Ernst first for "help", there's an easy way for Mr. Clean Catholic Integrity to prove it. Between that and Lim's damage control livestream it's easily as bad a look as your assertion that Hut hasn't dropped any reciepts at all, which he has. The fact that you don't believe those receipts isn't the same thing as him not providing any. But yes, he could be lying and has managed to master Photoshop in order to frame Doug Ernst for saying mean shit about Frog.

What were we all supposed to be fooled into thinking from watching clips of Ethan contradicting himself?

From the clips, nothing, as they're stupid and don't tell anyone anything they don't already know, especially if you already don't like Frog.

The "fooling" part is Doug Ernst's image. There was no overarching evil plot to accomplish anything other than to fling shit at Ethan and Zack and that whole wing of CG. That's what so fucking stupid and gay about the whole thing. Hut wasn't influential enough to do anything at all to harm Ethan's business, but Ernst felt it necessary to use Hut's retarded ass to say shit he could have said himself but was too concerned about his clean image to roll around in the CG drama muck. He just had to say something because Ethan irritated him so much.

Ernst has plenty of things to do and the fact that he allegedly made any time in his schedule at all in order to fart in Frog's general direction by helping Hut of all people make videos just shows he's a petty mudslinger and no better than the guys he's shitting on.

Ernst's reputation is the fucking gayop.

 

[Rupin]

I don't have that idea. I just don't take Hutt at his word.

That's an interesting way of looking at clips of Ethan talking.


You and I have a differing definition for the term "gay op". Let's ask Google.

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Looks more like an internet slap fight you've convinced yourself is a gay op to me.

What were we all supposed to be fooled into thinking from watching clips of Ethan contradicting himself?

Those clips of Ethan of contradicting himself were meant to draw fans and customers away from him. So that’s gaslighting. Then there was the attempt to link Ethan with Zoe Quinn as cousins because they both had Van in their last name. That’s an attempt to confuse or lie to the the public.
Then we have the attacks on Richard, Jeff Hicks, Clint Stoker, The Briestweiser, Kelsey Shannon… all while he has nothing but praise for Tim Lim and Doug E.

Let’s talk about the comics from campaigns he didn’t back but he somehow got them so he could review bomb them. Let’s see, he had Red Rooster, Stealing Solo and Jawbreakers. There was probably more but, those videos are lost to time now cuz he scrubbed his channel of any CG content. And he would always say that a friend sent them to him. Who did he say that friend was? Doug Ernst. The same Doug that sent him a thousand dollars for his mother’s funeral so, sending him a few comics in the mail would be no problem for him.

Everyone here seems to be in agreement that this was indeed a gay op, except for you…

 

[The Coon]

Retards make up elaborate stories all the time.

"I was just following orders" and "it's all Doug's fault, buy my book" doesn't strike me as that elaborate. I know four year olds who play those cards. The story gets elaborate when they have to back up the claim.

We could ask Hutt to back up his story but suddenly he doesn't want to share with the group for the first time ever.

Probably a coincidence. LOL. We should just take him at his word.

Yeah 4 year olds and retards could make this   story up, but as you conveniently left out and what @Miniluv pointed out, 4 year olds and retards usually are unable to master Photoshop and produce the pics Hutt provided.

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

Yeah, my first thought was "wake me if and when Leedle herself claims it."

I just find it amusing because, in a vacuum, sexual assault is a very serious claim. It would normally be a huge discussion topic in any cow community.

But because it comes from Liam, nobody cares. That should tell anybody anything they ever need to know about the state of Liam's credibility.
I'm guessing nobody here is "listen and believe," and rightly so, but Liam can't even gain a "listen." He's that fucked.

Leedles response



Wait am I ComicBook hut now?

 

[Captain Manning]

You and I have a differing definition for the term "gay op". Let's ask Google.

Looks more like an internet slap fight you've convinced yourself is a gay op to me.

And apparently, as far as this thread is concerned, only you.

I dunno about gaslighting, but your definition explicitly says misdirection. In this instance, Ernst was quietly using Hut to maintain a façade that he's above the drama. That he's the embodiment of the maxim "the best revenge is success." Everyone affiliated with Iconic were doing just fine as an alternative to CG. They really didn't need this shit. They could have kept ignoring FROG and having each campaign be more successful than the last. All FROG had in response to their sucess was snide jabs at the anime artwork Tim employs ("it looks like it's for little girls"), and the fact that no KA issue has s made as much money as Cyberfrog. The former is an artistic opinion, and the latter represents a gap I honestly think might close over time.

I don't know if you realized this yet, but you've already expended more effort trying to defend Ernst here in these past 48 hours than Ernst has spent defending himself. Ernst's response to this whole thing has basically amounted to "Yeah well, Ethan has been fucking with me for 5 years..."

Unlike FROG, I won't say he's offered a full on confession, but he's done everything but. It seems like he simultaneously provides no defense for what Hut is claiming, and makes no effort to explain the screenshots Hut has released.

You hate FROG, and that's fine. I certainly won't try and change your mind there. If it's any consolation to you, I don't think anybody here is arguing that FROG is forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future. What people mainly seem to be expressing is lamentation over the fact that they thought Ernst was taking the high road here with his independent comics career. Something less gay and petty, and more competent and productive, than CG. Like how Tim and Mark frequently get lauded for with Kamen America and Black Hops (jury is still out as far as their involvement).

Unfortunately, he pretty clearly isn't/wasn't. Not entirely. Though I suppose he's still got the edge on productivity as long as he remains with Iconic. Only CG can fix the deficits they have in that area. They should probably start with the grand embarrassment that is Cecil and Cash Grab.

But now I digress...

Wait am I ComicBook hut now?

No, because you're pretty clearly passing a message from Leedle, who wants it to be know it's her statement, and not yours.

And thanks for passing it on. Like I was saying, I'm sure everybody here already concluded Liam was full of shit. Again.

 

[Newman's Own]

your assertion that Hut hasn't dropped any reciepts at all, which he has.

I asserted that Hut dropped an email showing he was sent videos. He also claimed he had reciepts that categorically prove Ernst was running the "op".

Then he mass deleted al his relevant videos and went silent.

Forgive me if I don't take him at his word.

Ernst's reputation is the fucking gayop.

"Reputational gay op."

Got it.

4 year olds and retards usually are unable to master Photoshop and produce the pics Hutt provided.

No photoshop necessary if this is the picture your talking about.


This picture may scream gay op to people who want to buy into a narrative but it screams back and forth slap fight to me.

At least two of those videos are sent in response to Ethan and Zack taking time out of their day to throw shade at Doug and his friends/business associates.

I don't think sending a video in response to an attack on oneself through a proxy is anymore a gay op here than it was when Jonny Depp dropped recordings in response to being labeled a wife beater.

Having seen how Ethan's fan base has been mobilized against TenNaple, Mike Miller, Tim Lim and many others in the past is it any wonder Doug just sent a video to a friendly YouTuber instead?

This slap fight is from both directions evidently. Ethan screaming GAY OP because Hut had someone helping his retarded ass out doesn't make it a gay op.

Personally I agree with those who think Ernst should not have been baited into this but I can understand why he felt the compulsion to punch back through a proxy as well.

Listening to Hut's video the timing appears to be important. All of this started around the time rumors started spreading about Tim and Doug attacking the Breitweiser's.

Hutt seems to confirm those rumors. But here's the thing, Frog, Mitch and Betty, and Kelsey Shannon all had the opportunity to drop the receipts they claimed they had with the full stated approval of Ernst at the time and... they didn't.

In fact they all shut up about it and dropped the subject when Ernst said 'Let's all put our cards on the table and sort this out'.

I keep hearing about receipts that prove everything and then I keep seeing people shutting up when it's time to put up or shut up.

Like I said, Doug sent Hutt videos. It looks like he was responding to Ethan and Meyer taking shots at him and/or Iconic.

So what?

The gay op is that he sent videos to a drama channel because he didn't want Ethan's fanbase flooding his streams and Twitter mentions the way they did Mike at Ethan's direction?

Okay.

Not much of an op.

My favorite part of Hut's video is his non-apology/apology to Ethan whom he's been raging at since before he ever heard from Doug Ernst.

"Please help me sell my book..."

Maybe I'm wrong about all of this and Hut really does have everything he says he does. All he has to do is drop the receipts he promised proving Doug a snake in the grass instead of someone who helped him out. Pretty tough for Doug to sue if it's all true. Maybe we'll get to see the conversation where Doug told Hutt to ask for 10 grand for this:


I'm really curious to see if this conversation ever happened.

But we're all still waiting on the 3 year old Mitch and Betty receipts so I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[Absurdity]

I don't have that idea. I just don't take Hutt at his word.

That's an interesting way of looking at clips of Ethan talking.

You and I have a differing definition for the term "gay op". Let's ask Google.

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Primarily yes, but another component of gayops is its clandestine nature. The fakeness here was Doug literally hiding behind Hutt so he could maintain a slapfight pacifist reputation. The biggest issue here is his integrity. Building up Hutt to a point where Hutt could not sustain on his own was also not a good look. We can hardly say that any of Hutt's unintentionally hilarious videos ever made a dent in Ethan's bottom line. So this is really about Hutt and Ernst. Sciverfrog is the least affected in terms of negative effects. Post Hutt meltdown Sciverfrog is the greatest beneficiary.

Those clips of Ethan of contradicting himself were meant to draw fans and customers away from him. So that’s gaslighting. Then there was the attempt to link Ethan with Zoe Quinn as cousins because they both had Van in their last name. That’s an attempt to confuse or lie to the the public.
Then we have the attacks on Richard, Jeff Hicks, Clint Stoker, The Briestweiser, Kelsey Shannon… all while he has nothing but praise for Tim Lim and Doug E.

Let’s talk about the comics from campaigns he didn’t back but he somehow got them so he could review bomb them. Let’s see, he had Red Rooster, Stealing Solo and Jawbreakers. There was probably more but, those videos are lost to time now cuz he scrubbed his channel of any CG content. And he would always say that a friend sent them to him. Who did he say that friend was? Doug Ernst. The same Doug that sent him a thousand dollars for his mother’s funeral so, sending him a few comics in the mail would be no problem for him.

Everyone here seems to be in agreement that this was indeed a gay op, except for you…

Well, Ethan does contradict himself all the time because he is in fact, ethically challenged. Losing customers and therefore revenue because of that is a secondary effect, but if that is the result of knowing the truth about Ethan, that's on Ethan. The only time you could blame the messenger would be if you could prove the messenger believed it to be false but went through with it anyway. Of course, my stance is pretty clear on the Sciverfrog issue, but I always thought Ernst and Hutt truly believed in the narrative they were putting forth. The problem here was in the form it was delivered.

Gaslighting is making a statement that all parties know to be false, but insisting it to be true while casting doubt on the sanity of all who might disagree. That's pretty hard to effectively establish for almost anyone in CG because you generally need to isolate the subject of the gaslight and cut them off from other people's opinions and arguments. I think Ethan at the height of his WC days came closest, but as long as you didn't want to be part of his club, you could avoid being caught up in it.

I truly believe Hut had the ability to understand and agree with the words he was using. He has a manner of speaking much different from Doug's. Doug for example doesn't say "let me tell you somethin" and goes on to brag about himself or doubling down on what he dislikes. Also, his artwork is pretty darn good for an amateur hobbyist. It could easily pass as professional level kids book illustrations from the 70s/80s. And while you don't need to be smart to be a halfway decent illustrator, you can't be a total retard. There is too much draftsmanship present in what I've seen. His primary issue sounds like not being able to take criticism and holding onto unrealistic goals for himself and others.

You could argue that Hut benefitted more from Ernst overall than vice versa. What little benefit Ernst may have had was easily overshadowed now that it has come to light. Hutt indeed seems to be on the road back to obscurity but at least he was able to pay for his mother's funeral. They used each other and they both got burnt.

The Zoe Quinn thing was probably the weirdest theory they ever came up with, but as far as I recall it was presented well within the bounds of speculation.

 

[Newman's Own]

Building up Hutt to a point where Hutt could not sustain on his own was also not a good look.

Not sure what you mean by this. How did Ernst "build up" Hutt? Do you mean by giving him material for his show?

The fakeness here was Doug literally hiding behind Hutt so he could maintain a slapfight pacifist reputation.

The "reputational gay op". I guess I just disagree here. Everyone puts forward their best public face all the time.

I guess I just don't think giving Hutt material against the guy who's attacking him without telling the world is that sneaky and underhanded.

There's a power imbalance between EVS and Ernst where YouTube and Twitter clout is concerned. Taking on Ethan's rabid and often vicious fanbase directly is a losing battle. Sitting back while Ethan publicly assaults one's character might also seem untenable.

I guess I just don't see him as a snake in the grass for punching back by helping out the guy whose already exposed himself to retaliation.

I don't think it was smart but I don't think it was underhanded either.

 

[Captain Manning]

I asserted that Hut dropped an email showing he was sent videos. He also claimed he had reciepts that categorically prove Ernst was running the "op".

Then he mass deleted al his relevant videos and went silent.

Forgive me if I don't take him at his word.

I just realized the link I included in my earlier reply to you was malformed. That's my fault. I went back and corrected it.

In the main, here you go.

The e-mails:

1. All come from Ernst.
2. All have videos attached.
3. All have the titles for videos Hut, in-fact, uploaded.

In any event, what we see here is entirely consistent with Hut's claims that Ernst was exercising editorial control over Hut's channel.

Personally I agree with those who think Ernst should not have been baited into this but I can understand why he felt the compulsion to punch back through a proxy as well.

Well, at least you're starting to admit he used Hut as a proxy... I don't know how he was "baited" though.

In any event, I disagree. He could have released attacks against Ethan on his own channel, and nobody would be accusing him of gay ops. Hell, more people would have watched said videos on his own channel.

Oh, he would have gotten heat. For sure. But he would at least seem genuine.

Instead, he leveraged a retard as a proxy so that he could maintain his fake ass nice guy persona.

Now he looks like a fag. Regardless of whether his beef with FROG has any merit or not.

Herp derp.

 

[Alazmat]

Leedle dropped another bomb today on struggling comic book writer @Tyne

https://archive.ph/HjB3C

Looks like Liam Gray manipulated his audience and customers by showcasing an unfinished piece as Leedle's final version. Below is the version he showed :



Liam Gray has made the rounds in certain discords as well as on Twitter searching for artists for his books. Watching this unfold as well as what he put Ody through what artist in his right mind would want to work with this guy knowing he's trigger happy in throwing them under the bus?

When has hut ever "had the evidence" and not sperged out about it on is channel non-stop?

Strange he should go silent at the precise moment he could release his receipts and lay waste to his perceived enemies. (if only in his own mind)

Speculation is right.

While I believe the receipts he did drop prove there was in fact a gay op (the emails showed Doug Ernst has PLENTY of time to provide clips and notes for a guy he had no intention of platforming on his own channel) the fact that Christopher went silent is a bit of a spit in the face of those who were ready to listen to what he had to say. He spent 3 years trashing on @FROG YBZ and Peter Simetti, and they were all supposed to take it because reasons, but the one time he shits on Ernst, collective minds are lost, including Doug threatening a lawsuit, which is bitch made. That said, Hut trashed the confidence of those who could have backed him when he said he would drop more receipts implicating Tim Lim. Nada, zilch. If he doesn't follow through on what he said he would do and drop all the receipts, then in my humble opinion he should disappear off the internet for good, take down his dead horse of a Kickstarter, and just live a quiet life away from this CG and anti-CG faggotry. As far as I'm concerned, pending a full redemption arc in which Hut faces the music, he's finished.

 

[Newman's Own]

In the main, here you go.

Thanks, I hadn't read that one.

In any event, what we see here is entirely consistent with Hut's claims that Ernst was exercising editorial control over Hut's channel.

He sent Hut videos. Yes.

Editorial control? Hutt is a lose cannon mega sperg. I doubt that's even possible.

Well, at least you're starting to admit he used Hut as a proxy... I don't know how he was "baited" though.

I've said that from go.

It's not like the Frog/Ernst saga hasn't been a thing since 2019 or longer. Do you think Jonny Depp was being underhanded when he dropped audio making Amber look like a monster? Seems like the same thing and maybe in your eyes Depp was being a fag. IDK. I'm inclined to give him a break.

If you don't know how Ernst was baited take another look at the names of the videos. The majority of them reference personal attacks made against him.

I mostly just think Ernst is a good guy. This "gay op" doesn't seem like an op at all to me. It seems like another overblown drama that's been whipped up to get clicks for the latest campaign of a guy who's made this his business model.

When does this "Last Chance" sale kick off?

If he doesn't follow through on what he said he would do and drop all the receipts, then in my humble opinion he should disappear off the internet for good,

He's not going to drop the receipts for the exact same reason Mitch, Betty, Ethan and Kelsey never dropped the receipts they claimed proved it all when challenged.

Those receipts just aren't as advertised.

 

[Newman's Own]

Leedle dropped another bomb today on struggling comic book writer @Tyne

https://archive.ph/HjB3C


Looks like Liam Gray manipulated his audience and customers by showcasing an unfinished piece as Leedle's final version. Below is the version he showed :

Is that a naked child on the cover of Liam's latest offering?

Know your audience I guess.

 

[Alazmat]

Is that a naked child on the cover of Liam's latest offering?

Know your audience I guess.

Yes it is, a naked boy to be exact. Why, for a children's book, you ask, did Liam Gray think this was a good idea? With already being accused by Jon Malin for infantilizing his previous young male artist, Ody, you'd think the struggling comic book writer would have a better hold on optics.

 

[Newman's Own]

Yes it is, a naked boy to be exact. Why, for a children's book, you ask, did Liam Gray think this was a good idea? With already being accused by Jon Malin for infantilizing his previous young male artist, Ody, you'd think the struggling comic book writer would have a better hold on optics.

Knowing Liam, this is all just his subconscious desires leaking out on the page and his total lack of self awareness making him incapable of self censoring to hide those proclivities.

Those were good times when @Tyne thought he could convince the Farms he wasn't a cow by explaining himself to us.

 

[Miniluv]

I guess I just don't think giving Hutt material against the guy who's attacking him without telling the world is that sneaky and underhanded.

It kind of is if you're trying to maintain a public image of not being involved in the fray.

There's a power imbalance between EVS and Ernst where YouTube and Twitter clout is concerned. Taking on Ethan's rabid and often vicious fanbase directly is a losing battle. Sitting back while Ethan publicly assaults one's character might also seem untenable.

I agree with the idea that there's a power imbalance in internet clout between EVS and Ernst but I submit that there's definitely a sizeable power imbalance between Ernst and Hut not only in terms of internet clout but personally, professionally, and intellectually. If taking on Ethan's rabid and vicious fanbase is a losing battle for a mature, smart professional like Ernst and taking public assaults on one's character is "untenable" for a man of his status, it's absolutely moreso for Hut. When you factor in Hut's obvious mental and emotional limitations, it's pretty cruel to throw a blow and let Hut take the counterpunch. Ernst is a big boy, he can take a hit. Theoretically, anyway. Hut's reaction, as we all see, is to crumble and have an emotional breakdown.

Like I said, Doug sent Hutt videos. It looks like he was responding to Ethan and Meyer taking shots at him and/or Iconic.

So what?

Not just "sent", he sent Hut videos that he produced. He was responding without making it seem like he was responding. Also, what shots has Meyer taken at him? 98% of Zack's public statements about Ernst in the last three years have been dick suckingly positive. The one time I saw him get publicly snarky with Ernst, Doug nipped that shit in the bud and made Zack look like a moron (not a hard task, but still). He's perfectly capable of handling Zack without resorting to ghostwriting material for Hut the Insult Comic Tard.

Editorial control? Hutt is a lose cannon mega sperg. I doubt that's even possible.

I'd describe Doug's role not so much as an editor but as a content producer. If he assumed that role with the expectation that it would remain a private arrangement, he obviously didn't share your characterization of Hut as a "loose cannon mega sperg" or he wouldn't have bothered "helping" him at all, in any capacity. This alone proves Doug isn't some kind of supervillain with all the angles figured out but is simply a guy with a hate boner for CG that has lasted longer than anyone in CG's animosity towards him.

Do you think Jonny Depp was being underhanded when he dropped audio making Amber look like a monster? Seems like the same thing and maybe in your eyes Depp was being a fag. IDK. I'm inclined to give him a break.

AFAIK, Johnny Depp wasn't trying to pass off the recordings as if they were coming from someone other than him. He never claimed his retarded gardener recorded a domestic dispute, selectively edited it, and released it to the public without his input because it just so happens that the gardener also hates Amber Heard.

In fact they all shut up about it and dropped the subject when Ernst said 'Let's all put our cards on the table and sort this out'.

So my question is where is that forthright attitude here? He has yet to challenge Hut's story and hasn't put any "cards on the table" to disprove it. If Hut is telling an elaborate lie on the level of a retard or a 4 year old child, it should be extremely easy for a professional journalist to dismantle in front of God and everybody. Instead, he's said "but Ethan", let Lim and Wes run interference, and threatened to sue people.

I mostly just think Ernst is a good guy

This is the primary argument of the defense in the case of Hut v. Ernst since it began.

 

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If taking on Ethan's rabid and vicious fanbase is a losing battle for a mature, smart professional like Ernst and taking public assaults on one's character is "untenable" for a man of his status, it's absolutely moreso for Hut.

Ernst is a public figure who was working at a nationally syndicated paper at the time he was being attacked. Hutt was a grocery bagger with an anonymous YouTube handle and he was already in a war with Ethan. He'd already been screaming, "Where's my book Ethan" for months and Ethan had already stream sniped his puny channel sicking his hoard on Hutt. Hutt had nothing to lose and was spoiling to go to war.

No one was capable of sending their mob of simps to spam Hutt's place of employment and try to get him fired. (Something Ethan had proven he wasn't above doing)

This isn't hard.

The one time I saw him get publicly snarky with Ernst, Doug nipped that shit in the bud and made Zack look like a moron (not a hard task, but still). He's perfectly capable of handling Zack without resorting to writing material for Hut the Insult Comic Tard.

Has it occurred to you that you are referring to the occasion when this video dropped?

This is the primary argument of the defense in the case of Hut v. Ernst since it began.

It's a pretty good primary argument. I haven't met a lot of people who viciously help out down on their luck losers with a parents funeral expenses all because of their master plan to get a few videos out to an audience of tens. (Remember that time Dark Doug sent money to the loser he never met who TUG's wife cat fished and left stranded in the Ozarks or whatever.)

I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt to that guy who gives money to down on their luck losers over the the down on his luck loser who threw the guy who helped him under a bus the moment his crowd funder looked like it was tits up.

Of course, Hutt says he's the victim here so maybe we should just take him at his word. LOL.