#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[The Coon]

I don't know about all this recent cop comic drama but Mike Baron is a legend and Ethan would be a retard not to work with him instead of that stupid faggot cecil.

Baron has been on the CG Kings stream for a little while. Pretty much since EVS realized that Baron had a new police book out. IIRC Baron took the idea to Image and they(Eric Stephenson) said not no, but hell no. Then Mike brought it to Indiegogo and Kickstarter, then got the attention of EVS and now is going to make way more money then he ever would have through Image. I think @Mister Dongs is right when he says this is CG's biggest win. The problem is Baron is pretty awkward on stream most of the time and is prone to just dipping out without saying anything. I do like when he is on there though because there is always a chance for him to reveal something about himself that is pretty interesting. Like the time he talked about how he would have to drink vodka while doing cocaine. This week he revealed he writes/wrote for a music magazine that Dale and Art were pretty impressed about.

 

[Newman's Own]

And the evidence for that is where?

LoL.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

And the evidence for that is where?

From you! Have you fogotten the big plan for CG creators to build up their Youtube audiences before doing a crowdfund? That was Malin's "grab an oar" mantra for like three years until his own channel shit the bed. He'd be nowhere without the promotion you do on your livestreams for him and the other CG'ers who make anything on IGG.

You describe the phenomenon in better detail here by explaining how CG sales are down overall because your YT channel growth has "stagnated": https://kiwifarms.net/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-732#post-6100015

Are you suggesting that if your YT channel got banned and you never did another livestream your sales wouldn't suffer? Even you know that's ludicrous:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-1416#post-8668049

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-1569#post-9272636

 

[Rupin]

Is @FROG cozying up to The Fandom Menace again? If so, why? That bridge is burnt to a crisp!

 

[Fleetwood]

Baron has been on the CG Kings stream for a little while. Pretty much since EVS realized that Baron had a new police book out. IIRC Baron took the idea to Image and they(Eric Stephenson) said not no, but hell no. Then Mike brought it to Indiegogo and Kickstarter, then got the attention of EVS and now is going to make way more money then he ever would have through Image. I think @Mister Dongs is right when he says this is CG's biggest win. The problem is Baron is pretty awkward on stream most of the time and is prone to just dipping out without saying anything. I do like when he is on there though because there is always a chance for him to reveal something about himself that is pretty interesting. Like the time he talked about how he would have to drink vodka while doing cocaine. This week he revealed he writes/wrote for a music magazine that Dale and Art were pretty impressed about.

Mike Baron is pretty sharp in a one on one situation. Check out any of his appearances on smaller channels. He just can't compete with 8 other thirsty idiots trying to shill their crap comics and yelling poop dick jokes over each other.

 

[Miniluv]

Zack's video from yesterday:

Not really all that interesting unless you are dying to hear yet another story about yet another bald, middle aged comics pro (Jason Latour) getting drunk at a con and unsuccessfully hitting on what I can only assume is a 3/10 half his age, leading to a callout post several years after the fact. Sounds like she gave her number to an unattractive, awkward man and felt icky when he actually used that number to act like an unattractive, awkward man. Keep in mind, she gave this guy her number after he attempted to lure her to his hotel room with the promise of free Spider-Gwen comics. Great idea, lady. Now, of course, Latour is the latest victim of the mob, with calls for him to make "restitution" for the crime of being a creep who didn't assault anyone, but is unattractive, awkward, and extremely bad at flirting.

Hidden inside that otherwise boring video are two little nuggets of pure Zackism:

1. Zack is keeping his comic reviews to his community posts on YouTube. He's been doing mini-reviews of some 1990s DC stuff and says his viewers asked him to make video reviews for these books instead but YBZ explains that since Comixology and the Marvel app are dogshit, he has resorted to reading pirated scans of books and has somehow reached the conclusion that he can't make videos reviewing them because he can't monetize something he didn't pay for. This is weird considering that just a few months ago, Zack did a whole ass review of an X-Men issue from 1993, in which he explains that he's using a pirate scan site but doesn't care because he bought the issue when it came out, so nobody is losing money on it. As you can see, that video is still up and monetized. Zack has less video editing skill than ComicBookHut, so the idea of just putting together a few screenshots of the issues is out of the question. It's much easier to just record him opening 12 tabs over the course of a video and if he can't do that, he's not going to make video reviews. Zack thinks of everything.

2. On the subject of his community posts, he made one about Joe Glass' reaction to a scenario in which he dies and finds out Christianity was true:

While I can certainly appreciate the lulz factor of a literal sodomite limply finger wagging the God of Abraham and arguing over what constitutes a "good person", it probably isn't really great material for a comic book. Which means of course Zack is going to make it a comic book. The post says he "almost wants to make it into a comic" but, as he explains in the video, the reaction to this post was "VERY popular" among people who will buy anything Zack does, so he called up Narwhal and got the ball rolling on it.

That's right, Zack's next book is "SJWs vs God", illustrated by Narwhal. I can't wait to see the majesty of the Supreme Being illustrated as a blobby, misshapen hobo with barely recognizable facial features.

Zack is going to produce a modern day Chick Tract (but with less entertainment value and not free) and I must preemptively congratulate him on what is sure to be an easy $45k.

 

[jspit2.0]

LoL.

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From you! Have you fogotten the big plan for CG creators to build up their Youtube audiences before doing a crowdfund? That was Malin's "grab an oar" mantra for like three years until his own channel shit the bed. He'd be nowhere without the promotion you do on your livestreams for him and the other CG'ers who make anything on IGG.

You describe the phenomenon in better detail here by explaining how CG sales are down overall because your YT channel growth has "stagnated": https://kiwifarms.net/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-732#post-6100015

Are you suggesting that if your YT channel got banned and you never did another livestream your sales wouldn't suffer? Even you know that's ludicrous:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-1416#post-8668049

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-1569#post-9272636

The Frog cycle is. as tedious as JDA.

Demand proof. If not provided, smugly declare victory. If provided, deny proof and declare victory.

Is @FROG cozying up to The Fandom Menace again? If so, why? That bridge is burnt to a crisp!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xWxmcXPv8R8

Burning the bridge was only useful if the nerdblood sports audience had any intelligence. OG bloodsports saw people turn on the bigger faggot when they got taken down. You built your audience with the evisceration of fellow tubers.

That hasn't happened. Gary and his cucklefucks have continued to enjoy grifting despite being exposed and torn apart.

 

[Rupin]

Burning the bridge was only useful if the nerdblood sports audience had any intelligence. OG bloodsports saw people turn on the bigger faggot when they got taken down. You built your audience with the evisceration of fellow tubers.

That hasn't happened. Gary and his cucklefucks have continued to enjoy grifting despite being exposed and torn apart.

This is why I think EVS making this video about the Fandom Menace is not such a great idea. Like he’s spent months tearing them down with little effect and now with this video it’s like he’s trying to get back into their good graces.

Not a very good look at all.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Not sure if this is relevant here but this just popped up in Youtube's creator dashboard.

 

[FROG]

From you! Have you fogotten the big plan for CG creators to build up their Youtube audiences before doing a crowdfund? That was Malin's "grab an oar" mantra for like three years until his own channel shit the bed. He'd be nowhere without the promotion you do on your livestreams for him and the other CG'ers who make anything on IGG.

You describe the phenomenon in better detail here by explaining how CG sales are down overall because your YT channel growth has "stagnated": https://kiwifarms.net/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-732#post-6100015

Are you suggesting that if your YT channel got banned and you never did another livestream your sales wouldn't suffer? Even you know that's ludicrous:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-1416#post-8668049

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/comicsgate.38138/page-1569#post-9272636

This is tiresome bullshit. You said I relied on "culture war grift" to sell comics. Not just simply YouTube.

Yes, YouTube really helps. But I can talk about nearly anything and still sell product. It doesn't have to be Star Wars.

This is why I think EVS making this video about the Fandom Menace is not such a great idea. Like he’s spent months tearing them down with little effect and now with this video it’s like he’s trying to get back into their good graces.

Not a very good look at all.

Watch the video again, goofball.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

This is tiresome bullshit. You said I relied on "culture war grift" to sell comics. Not just simply YouTube.

Yes, YouTube really helps. But I can talk about nearly anything and still sell product. It doesn't have to be Star Wars.

I said you wouldn't have nearly the IGG/ebay comics sales you currently have if not for your huge Youtube channel that attracts tons of people who don't give a shit about comics. I might not have said it that clearly before but that's what I was saying. You are the product, not Cyberfrog.

[I was one of those people ]

 

[Analog Devolved]

This is tiresome bullshit. You said I relied on "culture war grift" to sell comics. Not just simply YouTube.

Yes, YouTube really helps. But I can talk about nearly anything and still sell product. It doesn't have to be Star Wars.

Fuck the Fag Dom menace queers why don't you talk about Star Wars with someone who actually knows about it. Like Mike Baron.

Watch the video again, goofball.

Fuck no. Bring baron on for star wars talk until then it's sperging shit that only neckbeards and incels watch.

 

[Alazmat]

Not sure if this is relevant here but this just popped up in Youtube's creator dashboard.

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Oh no! What will @Tyne do??

 

[Comic's Best Sandwich]

Dongs reminded me of the Indievolt thing. Did they ever file lawsuits against each other? Or was that Cease and Desist letter and campaign for shitty books no one (even Spencer's) wanted the end of it?

 

[Mister Dongs]

Is @FROG cozying up to The Fandom Menace again? If so, why? That bridge is burnt to a crisp!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xWxmcXPv8R8

lmfao if nothing else this at least puts to rest any doubt that Frog makes his own thumbnails

 

[robo6]

countless unrelated stand alone stories like Pandemic and Rock n Roll Ninja)

I can't speak for Pandemic, I can only speak about ROCK N ROLL NINJA.
As the Co-Creator of RNRN ( it isn't work for hire. ) I can say that the three of us Meyers, Dixon, and myself are already working out the story for the sequel(s) as well as incorporating it into the jawbreaker universe. There's also an action movie/ love story in RNRN, that will be explored in a spin-off.
You mention a business plan with no insight or contact from the actual owner or people involved.
Did you know there are two other books that I worked on and are nearly completed for Splatto. One has a cover from ______!! I doubt your aware of any of this. As soon as the last 20 pages are done with RNRN, those books will be released too. No more late books. If you have questions about my books, just ask.

marsupial gamer commented on one of JDA's videos that my book is laaattteeeee. like the goofy fat simp that he is, then calls out some chick named Ren that I've never heard off. Found out it's another of JDA'S old friends....not surprised.

 

[The Coon]

Dongs reminded me of the Indievolt thing. Did they ever file lawsuits against each other? Or was that Cease and Desist letter and campaign for shitty books no one (even Spencer's) wanted the end of it?

They got the books back and are almost done fulfilling or already done fulfiling their IGG campaign for the 9 books. I backed it, and there were one or 2 that were enjoyable and there hasn't been one that was just terrible( I will note, I don't have anywhere near the high standards as most people here), but there was definitely no new Batman Year One or Watchman in the 6 or 7 that I have read so far either. I will say, at $35 shipped for 9 different floppies, it was definitely the best deal I have found in crowdfunded comics. Coming in at around $3.90/book shipped, which is much better than any other CG or non CG crowdfund I have ever backed. Hell it even rivals the mainstream, with McFarland's Spawn books being the only other new physical comic(I'm not counting marvel and image $1 reprints) that I know of that is cheaper at $2.99+tax.

 

[Absurdity]

No, if Smiller tweeted that out now, we'd just retweet it and laugh.

Times were different then. We had tunnel vision about the scope of the problem, we were under constant scrutiny by activists who were blaming us for all manner of things in an effort to deplatform us from Twitter, YouTube and IndieGoGo, and everyone was anxious all the time.

Smiller kept trolling and giving CG bad PR moments. That thing with Mike Weiringo was particularly fucked up. Asking Mike to reel it in when CG was trying to present itself as a centrist alternative (even though most of us are conservatives) caused a rift with those who just wanted to push back hard from the right against SJWs.

I regret reacting the way I did, which was to publicly scourge Mike. I'd do it differently if I could.

Times were not significantly different then in regards to LGBT. At various times that I can recall, you went out of your way to accommodate the LGBT crowd and you made it a point to distinguish your brand from Mike's over it. The only difference now is that Mike has zero connection with you and your brand so you no longer have to resort to dirty bullshit in order to purge him. You regret nothing.

It's both of those things. ComicsGate was already selling YouTube shows where viewers can get their political views affirmed by their internet daddies as a substitute for the mainstream comics "community" when I got here.

In fact, those OG-CGers are mad that ComicsGate, in their opinion, has become more about selling comics than whining about them. So if you're right, WTF are Capn Cummings and Englentine mad about?

I've been making comic books for 30 years. Calling what I do a "grift" is an insult, and I know that it's your intention to insult me. But I tell you that I'm 100% sincere about this culture war and also see this as an opportunity for me to tell a very big story that I've had in my mind since 2010. I hope people are supporting me because they want to read it, but if they're only doing it because they hate SJWs too, that's okay. As long as I get to tell this story.

Ahh, Sciverfrog continually offering up frog legs for our sophisticated palate. Never. ever change! You just called your YouTube activity a grift, but it's an insult when someone correctly repeats this back to you. You call your Culture War commentary a "pill" yet you somehow think people should view your brand as anything more than an incel space frog. You want to be thought of as "Conservative" but you'll joke about when Jesus said "Eat me" or you make your logo based off a Jack Chick character saying "Reject Christ." What you are is a bloated Mormon faggot compulsive liar who could sell his own soul many times over, a leader who throws his own soldiers in the line of fire so he can escape the battlefield, a "friend" who will never tell his "friends" what they need to hear for their own benefit, and a man who single-handedly increased the risk of crowdfunding for customers by allowing multiple non-pro coat-tailers promote under his banner and not deliver.

Anyone else for a Frog Kebab? They're good!

 

[jspit2.0]

Happy Fourth Farmers! May the Corn be rich and the grift bountiful!

No, if Smiller tweeted that out now, we'd just retweet it and laugh.

Press D to doubt chat.

Times were different then.

How?

We had tunnel vision about the scope of the problem, we were under constant scrutiny by activists who were blaming us for all manner of things in an effort to deplatform us from Twitter, YouTube and IndieGoGo, and everyone was anxious all the time.

So 'tunnel vision'? Do you mean your delusion about the liberals you were best friends with in the mainstream comics industry? That they weren't going to destroy you if you were a good little boy and burned the Jesus people for not loving the gay?

Smiller kept trolling and giving CG bad PR moments.

As opposed to War Campaign's gay porn and doxxing, Tug, and you yourself?

That thing with Mike Weiringo was particularly fucked up.

He took art he owned, threatened to draw on it, and didn't.

Asking Mike to reel it in when CG was trying to present itself as a centrist alternative (even though most of us are conservatives)

Cecil, Democrat; Malin, voted for Obama; Anna isn't conservative at all.

You were the only Republican and not remotely socially or culturally conservative.

caused a rift with those who just wanted to push back hard from the right against SJWs.

The rift was with liberals who caused the SJW problem in the first place refusing to stand up to the problem.

It reminds me of an old MATI episode where Null covered a woman who was being cancelled by queers for complaining that a troon came into the women's bath and exposed his fucking dick to her daughter. She protested what a good girl she was, supporting the rainbow shit.

Null was fucking right, you people brought this shit on yourselves. You, Cecil, Anna and people like you.

I regret reacting the way I did, which was to publicly scourge Mike. I'd do it differently if I could.

That's true. You burned a real, conservative Christian persecuted by your friends in the comic industry for his faith to appease people like Donny Cates and Scott Snyder. The worst part is, it was all for nothing.

Times were not significantly different then in regards to LGBT. At various times that I can recall, you went out of your way to accommodate the LGBT crowd and you made it a point to distinguish your brand from Mike's over it. The only difference now is that Mike has zero connection with you and your brand so you no longer have to resort to dirty bullshit in order to purge him. You regret nothing.

Absolutely, I can't imagine the difference, save that Frog now has some genuine conservatives around him and Mike has been Mike.

Ordinarily I'd put Mike as exhibit A alongside Doug Tennaple as someone who can lose the moral high ground by being fucking dumber than shit.

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lmfao if nothing else this at least puts to rest any doubt that Frog makes his own thumbnails

This is tiresome bullshit. You said I relied on "culture war grift" to sell comics. Not just simply YouTube.

Yes, YouTube really helps. But I can talk about nearly anything and still sell product. It doesn't have to be Star Wars.

I'd like to say no, but as I pointed out above the geek blood sports audience is too dum.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

the three of us Meyers, Dixon, and myself are already working out the story for the sequel(s) as well as incorporating it into the jawbreaker universe. There's also an action movie/ love story in RNRN, that will be explored in a spin-off.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy