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Strix454 said:
@FROG says that Graham Nolan considers @FROG shitting all over his work for Eric July to be just the normal "ribbing" that guys in comicsgate do or honest criticism (Ethan says both). According to @FROG, Graham apparently agrees that his work for Eric July was garbage ("Bad Art") and he is thankful to Ethan to have told him this.
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Are these tweets where he addressed it, or was it addressed somewhere else?

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If so, are we to assume that this quote by Graham means he's equating EVS' weeks-long obsessive rants about how EJ is absolutely terrible in every way with some harsh criticism he got once?

Is Graham saying that it's ok to get some criticism, or is he okaying EVS' jihad against EJ? Because it would be strange if Graham thinks what EVS has been doing is just your run-of-the-mill normal, blunt criticism.

I guess what I'm asking is is Graham being taken out of context here? Because I take it that this tweet is being used by EVS as proof that Graham approves of everything he's been doing these last weeks.
 
Stupor Mario said:
Are these tweets where he addressed it, or was it addressed somewhere else?

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If so, are we to assume that this quote by Graham means he's equating EVS' weeks-long obsessive rants about how EJ is absolutely terrible in every way with some harsh criticism he got once?

Is Graham saying that it's ok to get some criticism, or is he okaying EVS' jihad against EJ? Because it would be strange if Graham thinks what EVS has been doing is just your run-of-the-mill normal, blunt criticism.

I guess what I'm asking is is Graham being taken out of context here? Because I take it that this tweet is being used by EVS as proof that Graham approves of everything he's been doing these last weeks.
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EVS says this, but I bet he’d lose his shit the second someone badmouthed the art in his long-delayed comics.
 
Stupor Mario said:
Are these tweets where he addressed it, or was it addressed somewhere else?

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If so, are we to assume that this quote by Graham means he's equating EVS' weeks-long obsessive rants about how EJ is absolutely terrible in every way with some harsh criticism he got once?

Is Graham saying that it's ok to get some criticism, or is he okaying EVS' jihad against EJ? Because it would be strange if Graham thinks what EVS has been doing is just your run-of-the-mill normal, blunt criticism.

I guess what I'm asking is is Graham being taken out of context here? Because I take it that this tweet is being used by EVS as proof that Graham approves of everything he's been doing these last weeks.
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The question I guess for Graham Nolan is "Did Dick Giordano accuse you of deliberately submitting "bad art" to a customer? Submitting bad art because you hated the project and were only doing the bare minimum on it for the money?"

Because that isn't an art critique. That is calling you out as dishonest and unprofessional.
 
Grunka Lunka said:
It seems like he's already told or ordered other artists in CG to not work for Eric.

And according to yesterday's. Those that do are apparently going to hell.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=jUHGjOsab2Y:16860
You'll want to jump to 4:41:00 if it doesn't go there on it's own... Listen for maybe five minutes. I could be wrong. But to me this sounds like Ethan ordered CGers.

If I am correct though. Isn't this sort of thing Ethan or CG should be against?



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this is such a fucking scum approach "people don't know what eric july is doing, but we do" -we won't tell you what he is doing tho, just trust me, I know what kind of person EJ is, but I will totally not tell you and will order you to sabotage him. At this point the only thing I can think of is a jealous lover, "he totally sucks you guys, just trust me.

at this point tho, about EVS telling people not to work with Rippaverse, who are they going to side with? a guy that made a crowfunding comic and it's currently late on delivering their promises? or a guy that started a bussiness that can actually hire and pay people?
 
Sewer Rat said:
this is such a fucking scum approach "people don't know what eric july is doing, but we do" -we won't tell you what he is doing tho, just trust me, I know what kind of person EJ is, but I will totally not tell you and will order you to sabotage him. At this point the only thing I can think of is a jealous lover, "he totally sucks you guys, just trust me.

at this point tho, about EVS telling people not to work with Rippaverse, who are they going to side with? a guy that made a crowfunding comic and it's currently late on delivering their promises? or a guy that started a bussiness that can actually hire and pay people?
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It's weird. Because BA Turner was basically doing the same thing in comments and chat in a YouTube stream a few weeks ago.

Same deal. You don't know what I know. The host finally called him out to just type it out because you're being ridiculous. I think he stopped after that and unfortunately the video is members only now.

But then in Ethan's case to follow it up with he had the gaul to want to give me a job. Ummm ok? Just say thanks but no thanks and move on?

I mean. Bloody hell. If Eric is so bad. Just spit it out. This being coy crap is retarded.
 
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Strix454 said:
The question I guess for Graham Nolan is "Did Dick Giordano accuse you of deliberately submitting "bad art" to a customer? Submitting bad art because you hated the project and were only doing the bare minimum on it for the money?"

Because that isn't an art critique. That is calling you out as dishonest and unprofessional.
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I'm genuinely confused about Graham's reply tweet.

I forgot to include this follow-up tweet by EVS.

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Of course this is completely hearsay. EVS is claiming that Graham privately agrees that all criticism of EVS is just a propaganda campaign and not a legit response. My question is is this true, or is EVS getting Graham to answer a question and then taking those statements out of context to make it appear as if Graham is saying more than he's actually saying?

Because, again, it would be odd if Graham truly believes that EVS' response to EJ has been typical criticism.
 
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Stupor Mario said:
Are these tweets where he addressed it, or was it addressed somewhere else?

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If so, are we to assume that this quote by Graham means he's equating EVS' weeks-long obsessive rants about how EJ is absolutely terrible in every way with some harsh criticism he got once?

Is Graham saying that it's ok to get some criticism, or is he okaying EVS' jihad against EJ? Because it would be strange if Graham thinks what EVS has been doing is just your run-of-the-mill normal, blunt criticism.

I guess what I'm asking is is Graham being taken out of context here? Because I take it that this tweet is being used by EVS as proof that Graham approves of everything he's been doing these last weeks.
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Or Nolan could be being professional. I know when people go after me in my working life I pretend it doesn‘t bother me but I’m also covertly doing everything possible to destroy their lives one day.
 
Latest trashcast had the Ack Ack man juju the cow on along with Liam malin and shane. With special guest Bosch Fawstin creator of anti jihadi superhero pig man.
Looked at the comments some are speculating Eric cheated on his wife with the soskas twins. Why else would Eric defend the twins according to some comments.
 
SargonF00t said:
Liam needs to be unleashed against Eric July
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Time coded to the first wave of Koala Cope
Liam has been, in the stream linked above, Liam tailspins around the idea that he cannot compete with Eric July and thus he has been embarrassed by him, shamed, humiliated, etc. So he tells people there's no quality to Eric's work, that it's empty, and that Liam himself has been producing high quality, "expensive" manga.

I would code to a deeper part of the stream, but Liam does his thing where he moves in and out of a topic like a guilty man would.
 
Nick Kerrs said:
Latest trashcast had the Ack Ack man juju the cow on along with Liam malin and shane. With special guest Bosch Fawstin creator of anti jihadi superhero pig man.
Looked at the comments some are speculating Eric cheated on his wife with the soskas twins. Why else would Eric defend the twins according to some comments.
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this sounds insane,I guess EVS got that from Ralph and juju? starting creating shit out of nowehre in order to stir drama?
 
Olórin of Hype said:
Time coded to the first wave of Koala Cope
Liam has been, in the stream linked above, Liam tailspins around the idea that he cannot compete with Eric July and thus he has been embarrassed by him, shamed, humiliated, etc. So he tells people there's no quality to Eric's work, that it's empty, and that Liam himself has been producing high quality, "expensive" manga.

I would code to a deeper part of the stream, but Liam does his thing where he moves in and out of a topic like a guilty man would.
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Eric should steal his son by hiring Ody to do a cover.
 
the new direction frog has driven the CG ship is going to die out like the hanger ons of Gamergate. A slow irrelevant starvation of relevancy. Honestly don't See eric july fairing much better, maybe that was Ethan's goal all along, if I am going down your coming with me. War of Attrition.
 
In the last trashcast.....

Ethan has Juju on and they immediately watch clips of Juju and Vito.

At three hours in they clip maybe an hour of a Revenge of the Cis show. Part of it features Eric July. Its clear that they are just watching it to fill time on the stream.

At around 4:11, Juju starts defending the dogfucker. Its the usual line that she was just an ordinary housewife innocently looking at fan fiction on the internet. And it was all about Eric July attacking a "critic". Eric July is bullying a poor little girl trying to enjoy her anime fan fiction. How can anyone be so mean.

Then they go back for seemingly the 100th time on trashcast to talk about and watch Eric July's trailer or the making of the trailer video. Lots of ACK-ACK-ACK from juju.

Then at 4:12 he platforms Liam. Liam then claims he knows Bosch Fawstin in the sense of an old friend and Bosch Fawstin has no idea who he is. Ethan immediately shuts down Liam.

Then they start watching the stuff related to Eric July's trailer again because it never gets old. Juju is his sleazy self. More ACk-ACK-ACK. I watched it on fast, but I'm not sure Liam contributed anything.

At the very end, he allows Liam to push Dino King. Liam has nothing prepared to promote it with so he holds up the book for the camera. Shane also gets pushed.

Malin's latest Graveyard shift is at the last days of campaign and Ethan doesn't even bother to push it at the end of the show.
 
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Fascist Kirk said:
the new direction frog has driven the CG ship is going to die out like the hanger ons of Gamergate. A slow irrelevant starvation of relevancy. Honestly don't See eric july fairing much better, maybe that was Ethan's goal all along, if I am going down your coming with me. War of Attrition.
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The next release will show

Yaira is the last Campaign book, everything onwards will be direct sale. If things go well enough that the model continues, gonna be fine. But if he needs to revert back to campaigns then it's rough waters ahead.

Time will tell I suppose, he just had to avoid stupid mistakes like he did with ISOM 2. Somehow they printed an unedited draft so there was a typos dotted about the place. Not a good look!

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I think I just called it lol, EJ tweeting about maintaining the Campaign style. This suggests to me there's an element of uncertainty in cashflow...
 
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