#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

BTW, it's worth noting the trajectory Mint took is yet another thing Null accurately predicted years ago.

From the Dick thread back in 2021:

He's definitely going to have her open an OF eventually.

And 'lo it came to pass.

For somebody Vikki calls a "dipshit," Null has proven extremely prescient when it comes to the Masterson clique. He might not know much about CG ("Eric Schiver"), but he's very familiar, from personal experience, with how Dick's side of things operates. Just like he predicted anybody propping up Vito is gonna have a rough time of things. Look at the absolute state of CG now that Vito is part of it. It's almost like there are thinking people on Kiwi Farms.

Oh well, somebody (in this case, Dick) is giving her attention, so I guess that's all matters in her mind.

As an aside, I morally support @robo6's rejection of the new CG. Good for standing by your principles, my dude.

Now please don't fuck yourself by trying to go back again. If you do, you're an idiot.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

Now please don't fuck yourself by trying to go back again. If you do, you're an idiot.

There's nothing to go back to. There was so much bluster over EJ needing 11,000 backers and $2million on Yaira to make it a success, but Graveyard Shift 5 (6? 8? 10?) barely mustered "six figures young lady". But there's crickets about what that says about the health of THAT project.
But did you know that the actress who played Yaira in the live action trailer, has knees that aren't tiny and childlike? It's over for EJ now. Kneegate has begun.

When you zoom out to the smaller creators in CG, everyone with a shred of self awareness left is jumping off of this ego war. Elements like Ralph, Vito and Dick are being woven into the DNA of CG and those three alone are walking counter arguments to CG's mission. That's not including the clown car of "totes legit critics" that have piled in to leech any clout and cash possible off of this tard war. Even if Matt Bahr wanted to return, there's no seat in CG for a man that doesn't wanna pretend to be amused by Dave Attell's rejects.

 

[Mister Dongs]

If I remember correctly Evs held a very deep grudge with that garret guy from FNT because he overheard him saying cyberfrog is a dumb concept during a fandom menace meetup at nycc. Garrett was apparently talking to geeks and gamers jeremy during that conversation so ethan hated jeremy by proxy as well for not batting for him.

I'm not sure if I'm misremembering (maybe dongs can help validate?) but if that's the case then he's an even bigger hypocrite at cowering behind "criticism".

First I heard of it. Although he does like to tell the story about how Jeremy Griggs said "fuck Cyberfrog" when they met up at the Fandom Menace For the Fans fest all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen, but maybe the names got swapped up?

Strange to see Vikki throw the Farms under the bus to protect Comicsgate.

I dunno, personally I can see some appeal to the argument Vikki made on twitter

The crux of the issue is that Eric July doesn't understand how to use subtext so all the dialogue ends up being stilted and over-expository since he feels to the need to explain things that would be better left unsaid, and also that he doesn't give characters unique voices so everyone's either dry and expository or a generic tough guy. The art doesn't really help with informing the tone of the dialogue, the worst example I can think of is this panel of Goodying where the dialogue sounds like he's concerned but the art gives him a look of vacant smugness which doesn't fit what he's saying at all.

Putting aside the art, it's just funny that there can be two paragraphs dedicated to the high quality of Goodyng's ointment but zero effort put into putting anything cool or interesting that would hook a reader into grabbing the spinoff graphic novel about the ointment nigga. The less charitable take is that July's "worldbuilding" of jamming in as many cardboard cutout characters as possible in Isom at the expense of the comic and story is simply a ploy to secure the rights as the legal creator of the characters in question while leaving the actual creation of said characters like crafting appealing origins, powers and personalities to the contracted writers in their spin-off series.

Anyways, other stuff:

Simple Zack Roundup: Month 3 after quitting Youtube

• SHIPPAVERSE- Eric July Launches RIPPASEND Fulfillment Service - Zack muses on the possibility of going Rippatard. He efaps July's promo pitch trailer about the services offered by RippaSend and slowly affirms each and every one of the listed services as things he in fact has paid for in the past. But why would he use Rippasend when there's plenty of other 3PL companies offering the same services? Meyer concludes that he'll just wait and see how it goes for other people. Total runtime of this deep and thought provoking analysis: 35 minutes.
• SUPER TALENT GURLS- How Did We End Up With C-List Creators On A-List Franchises? - Zack laments that the X-Men franchise has been handed to disgusting cancel pig Gail Simone and her whisper network SJW LGBTQAI+ BIPOC buddies. Despite Zack declaring "cancel culture is over" at the end of last year after a few tweets by Mark Millar, the same untalented people he railed about 5-6 years continue to get top level work and cancel people whenever they feel like. The main difference between the beginning of Comicsgate and present day is Zack now calls them "so 2018" and "cringe". Total run time: 33 minutes. There was a second rant video uploaded later, the main difference being added emphasis that Vita Ayala is retarded. Total runtime: 28 minutes
• PEACE, LOVE & HAIR GREASE- Does BlackRock CEO Larry Fink Look Like A HIPPIE To You? - Meyer tries once again to explain that ESG is a wild conspiracy theory (and that his own theory that it's all Heidi MacDonald and a bunch of 2000s-era comic bloggers fault is the right one). You see, Blackrock CEO guy Larry Fink can't be woke, because he's a money guy. ESG rating on paper is a rating system about resistance to leftist government litigation on things like social justice and climate change, not promoting wokeness. The concept that the government can introduce legislation meant to regulate market behavior along the lines of a political agenda is alien to Simple Zack. Larry Fink is about making money, not being woke - therefore ESG as tool of neoliberal hegemon = not real. Total runtime: 26 minutes.
• SQUATTERS' RIGHTS- There's Only One Way To Get Rid Of ALL Of The Bums In The Comic Book Industry - Going off a news article about squatters using NY state tenant law to claim someone else's property, Simple Zack analogizes the current crop of creatives working for Marvel and DC as squatters, and he'd be the construction crew kicking the squatters out. Except they can't in real life, as per the article. The analogy starts to crumble into incoherence quickly and drifts into idle wish fulfillment fantasy of how he'd run Marvel. Imagine if a group of people gave Meyer millions to start a comic company and put these ideas into practice. Total runtime: 24 minutes

Mark Millar interviewed former Marvel EiC Joe Quesada this morning. Old school Comicsgaters may remember the early days of CG when Joe challenged Meyer to a debate, which the latter declined and then later cried Quesada tried to bully the Comicsgate founder into suicide by doing so. At around 1 hour 6 minutes in he muses on crowdfunding and youtube comic fandom:

JOE QUESADA 1:05:17
Yeah. Now the golden goose is struggling to stay alive. It would literally be like the comic industry saying, "You know what? We don't need a direct market. Let's just go into the returnable market. Let's just go to the newsstand business again. Let's go to the bookstore business again." Without that non-returnable market, there'd be no comic industry. That's the truth. Or it'd be different comic industry. So, you know, to to to see what, you know, the business practices that got Hollywood to where it is and and, you know, it hurts all entertainment at the end of the day. But I think with comics, what happens is that that, you know, I think there are a lot of really, really good comics out there. But you've got a bunch of folks, you know - you'll love this comparison, Mark - so where did you buy your country when you were younger, Mark?
MARK MILLAR 1:06:20
I was just a corner store.-
JOE QUESADA 1:06:22
Yeah. Corner store, right? Imagine you went to that corner store when you were a kid and there was somebody's dad. Like a dad. A guy, dad age, telling you, "Don't buy that shit. That's written by so and so. Oh, that book sucks." You go, "Whoa", right? That's what we have today. We have dads on YouTube telling people, you know, how much comics suck because they aren't the comics that they remember when they were eight years old, right? These guys, it's like a death cult. It literally is a death cult.

No love lost between Joe and Comicsgate Death Cult I guess.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Am I correct in my understanding that Cecil is imminently planning to crowdfund Cash Grab 2?

Currently, he is pushing a ‘2nd chance’ of Cash Grab with a Renie cover (hisssss!), with little to no promo from EVS - likely because Cecil has seemingly turned his back on the CG shitwagon.



It will be fascinating to see how Cecil goes about Cash Grab 2 - does he shamelessly come back to the EVS fold, making it so obvious or does he try the FNT/associates and Chrissie Mayr crowd angle?

Please don’t get me wrong, I despise this fucking manlet. But I do like the idea of Cecil jettisoning the fat grifter who once championed him as is his right-hand muse.

Exciting times ahead for the onlookers such as myself.

 

[Strix454]

Yeah. Corner store, right? Imagine you went to that corner store when you were a kid and there was somebody's dad. Like a dad. A guy, dad age, telling you, "Don't buy that shit. That's written by so and so. Oh, that book sucks." You go, "Whoa", right?

Yeah. Not corner store. More like half the workers and hangers-on at every comics shop for several decades. Its tough to remember a time when people were not telling people what shit not to buy or what book sucks or what creator they shouldn't like. I mean that was the whole business premise of the Comics Journal for decades.

The real difference in the old days is that if you said a comics sucks, you didn't have the creator and six marvel editors screaming at you on twitter to shut up or that you are a racist or that they don't want your kind as a customer. Fans telling each other what books are good or bad goes back to the beginning of time. But having the people working in comics screaming back at them happened mostly in the last 12-15 years.

Part of the origins of comicsgate after all was an extremely thin-skinned Dan Slott going crazy over online criticism by Doug Ernst.

 

[huckbeine]

sometimes even the comic book store owner will even tell you what comics suck this month or so

 

[Olórin of Hype]

Yeah. Corner store, right? Imagine you went to that corner store when you were a kid and there was somebody's dad. Like a dad. A guy, dad age, telling you, "Don't buy that shit. That's written by so and so. Oh, that book sucks." You go, "Whoa", right?

Yeah. Not corner store. More like half the workers and hangers-on at every comics shop for several decades. Its tough to remember a time when people were not telling people what shit not to buy or what book sucks or what creator they shouldn't like. I mean that was the whole business premise of the Comics Journal for decades.

The real difference in the old days is that if you said a comics sucks, you didn't have the creator and six marvel editors screaming at you on twitter to shut up or that you are a racist or that they don't want your kind as a customer. Fans telling each other what books are good or bad goes back to the beginning of time. But having the people working in comics screaming back at them happened mostly in the last 12-15 years.

Part of the origins of comicsgate after all was an extremely thin-skinned Dan Slott going crazy over online criticism by Doug Ernst.

I want Dads telling kids to stay the hell away from the communist "cut your dick off" media that's currently spread by the skinsuits formerly known as the mainstream American comic book industry. That REWARDS my hope for humanity. That the people with the most influence of the next generation are standing up and saying something at all.
But CG's own Rainbow Brigaders Tony and Vito say that Gay Superman isn't the problem, it's the people complaining about Gay Superman that are the problem. Weird how those two sound just like that human milk bag Quesada...

 

[Captain Manning]

If you go back a second time he'll probably send Riley to your house or some shit.

It's definitely something to be on guard for.

Frankly, I think this is already as nasty, or nastier, than War Campaign. It's probably only gonna get worse as more people walk away from CG. EVS seems desperate.

But CG's own Rainbow Brigaders Tony and Vito say that Gay Superman isn't the problem, it's the people complaining about Gay Superman that are the problem. Weird how those two sound just like that human milk bag Quesada...

Dick and Vito are anti-anti-SJWs.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

Dick and Vito are anti-anti-SJWs.

I'm glad their brand of mental illness has a category.

 

[YesNoMaybe]

sometimes even the comic book store owner will even tell you what comics suck this month or so

I remember this when I was a kid, actually. The comic shop guy was never shy about trashing Image comics despite them selling crazy for him. JoeQ also wanted Spider-Man back the way he remembered it, created one of the worst reviewed Spider-Man stories ever to make it happen, so his line of thinking is very disingenuous.

 

[tacoindaface]

This whole Dillard thing is stupid. YellowFlash, has said that him and Dillard are doing a 50/50 split. And while perhaps Dillard should have requested a little money up front to live on while it's being worked on. He didn't. But that also gets a little complicated if he's acting as part owner and not just some guy working on the book. But even then, YellowFlash has offered to give money to Dillard at least once. And Dillard said no. Dillard has confirmed all of this on Twitter.

Oh, and strangely all of this only became an issue AFTER YellowFlash cut ties with EVS. And hopefully all of EVS white knighting and concern trolling doesn't affect sales.


But you know what? I'd like to know if EVS paid Martin the money for his work on Snowman. Not sure if he is referring to a bonus or actual payment for the job. Maybe he can give Martin a little something extra since he's been relegated to giving people refunds while people hope the comic ever gets printed.
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It's also stupid because one of the early talking points of CG was that creators (artist in particular) should work on projects that they OWN, yet here we sit, looking at the self appointed "leader" of CG telling an artist he should accept a demotion to "work for hire" from "equal partner".

EVS is also an artist who has, on many occasions, expressed the feeling that the REAL work of making a comic is done by the artist, not the writer. So why is he putting the onus of initial funding entirely on the writer? Is he a fucking commie pig that thinks that because YF has a larger audience, and, presumably, a larger bank balance therefore he MUST be obligated to share his wealth with the lowly worker?

He's a pig for sure, but a commie? More likely just a narcissist, a hypocrite, and just all-around asshat who will claim whatever position he feels will give him an advantage when attacking his enemies, without regard for the mud that ends up on his boots from defending tainted ground.

Faggotry.

 

[Captain Manning]

I'm glad their brand of mental illness has a category.

I dunno if it's a mental illness, but their goal here is to grift off the people grifting off the people sick of SJWs that are ruining other people's shit.

It's now griftception up in this bitch.

I wouldn't really have a problem with it, but for the fact EVS has spent years branding himself as an avid anti-SJW and a victim of SJWs. That he throws in with Dick and Vito because some black guy basically does a better job producing and shipping comics than him basically shows he does not hold the principles he claimed he did.

Look... I think most of us knew CG was largely a grift, but I thought maybe... MAYBE... there was some chance Ethan actually believed the words coming out of his mouth, on some philosophical level, even as he's counting his shekles. Alas, he does not. It's all about the money and status with him. Rather than celebrate July's success, as a fellow non-woke comic creator, they have to tear him down because their accomplishments now pale in comparison.

I'm tired of fake people. It's time for CG to die.

 

[Grunka Lunka]

EVS is also an artist who has, on many occasions, expressed the feeling that the REAL work of making a comic is done by the artist, not the writer. So why is he putting the onus of initial funding entirely on the writer? Is he a fucking commie pig that thinks that because YF has a larger audience, and, presumably, a larger bank balance therefore he MUST be obligated to share his wealth with the lowly worker?

Somewhat. Someone that followed it better can correct me. But from what I recall...because YF wants the comic to be mostly done instead of crowdfund it for over a year. The onus is now on YF to help pay for the art or something. On top of that, because YF makes money on YouTube and Dillard will only make money if the comic does well. Again, YF's responsibility to pay him.

Recently, Dillard had a plumbing issue or something so now he can't live in his home. Supposedly YF had offered to help out, but guess he wanted to do a GoFundMe for it instead? I don't know, the whole situation is dumb. Either way, because YF and EVS are no longer dating, EVS sees this as an opportunity to go to the aid of a down on his luck artist while say how much of an evil bastard YF is for not wanting to give the guy money on a comic that hasn't even come out yet. I'm sure this won't affect sales or anything too.

This is my understanding of it though. I could be wrong or missed something.

Some other artists have somewhat expressed the same thing that he should have gotten some money for the work. But I think it becomes a different issue when the guy is part owner in the comic. Also, these were while EVS was in the room, so no way to know if it was a case of just go with whatever the big guy says. People might disagree, but I have a feeling it will do ~$500,000. So after fee's, printing, and shipping costs. The guy should have a decent payday when all is said and done. If or when they work on a second comic together, Dillard can always ask for a small stipend up front. But at the same time, if he's going to be walking away with $150,000/$200,000+ before taxes...he probably won't need to.

 

[robo6]

“As an aside, I morally support @robo6's rejection of the new CG. Good for standing by your principles, my dude.

Now please don't fuck yourself by trying to go back again. If you do, you're an idiot.”

I’m not. What’s to go back to? Ethan said true CG is just a few people. Malin, Shane, Anna, Cecil, and himself.
Nothing I have planned for 2024 and beyond involves any of them anyways. They never promoted RNRN. The one time Ethan showed my trailer was the same stream, he was promoting Vic King.

Ethan said I interrupted second breakfasts with Andrea. I wonder if she knows the money paying for her breakfast is from the sexual exploitation of an autistic girl? Think she’d still wanna eat that danish if she knew?

 

[Grunka Lunka]

Ethan said I interrupted second breakfasts with Andrea. I wonder if she knows the money paying for her breakfast is from the sexual exploitation of an autistic girl? Think she’d still wanna eat that danish if she knew?

If the posts about her are true. It's worse. A girl persuaded to leave her family to become an addict and finally do porn. Her being autistic is just the cherry on top.

Shoot, I can't even begin to imagine how horrible I'd feel if that happened to my little girl. Or what I'd do if it did happen.


Also, just ignore the call frog man. It's not that difficult. You literally have to do nothing and you will have accomplished it.

 

[Captain Manning]

Meyer tries once again to explain that ESG is a wild conspiracy theory (and that his own theory that it's all Heidi MacDonald and a bunch of 2000s-era comic bloggers fault is the right one). You see, Blackrock CEO guy Larry Fink can't be woke, because he's a money guy. ESG rating on paper is a rating system about resistance to leftist government litigation on things like social justice and climate change, not promoting wokeness. The concept that the government can introduce legislation meant to regulate market behavior along the lines of a political agenda is alien to Simple Zack. Larry Fink is about making money, not being woke - therefore ESG as tool of neoliberal hegemon = not real. Total runtime: 26 minutes.

To be fair, Zack is half-right. Blackrock has a lot of money tied up in things like the military industrial complex, firearms manufacturers, fossil fuels, and coal. All things that are highly controversial. Particularly amongst progressives.

Blackrock is about the money. I have little doubt Fink is a capitalist.

What Zack doesn't realize is that ESG is about trying to make your soulless mega corporation look "socially responsible" while not inflecting too much damage on the bottom line. If you make Spiderman transgender, maybe less people will notice Disney is making their apparel in some sweatshop in China (which, BTW, they do).

His Heidi MacDonald theory is silly.

I’m not. What’s to go back to? Ethan said true CG is just a few people. Malin, Shane, Anna, Cecil, and himself.

I dunno if you noticed, but he anointed Coomalot a CG King recently. That was a hoot and a half. Coomalot has never made a comic. He can barely drive a racecar.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Interesting TwXtter post from Graham Nolan, as well as one of the subsequent exchanges:-



TwXtter

Of course it simply isn’t possible that Nolan doesn't know who the replier is referring to. Instead of diplomacy or a generic response, Nolan no doubt states how he truly feels about our fat bastard emperor.

The fact Nolan is speaking in the collective as Compass Comics over Comicsgate interests me. I’ve seen this more from him recently and it implies a distancing - he’s savvy and will have noted that he should hit £100k for Monster Island, and is right on Lieutenant Colonel Malincel’s tail wrt Graveyard Shift V.

I don’t believe for one moment Nolan was pleased with the manner in which EVS and Malin ripped into his Yaira cover last week; regardless of what the artistic faults were. That should have sowed the seeds of discontent if they weren’t already in the soil. I know I’m a bit like a dog with a bone on this, but I remain convinced a Nolan defection from CG to RippaSend is on the cards.

 

[Grunka Lunka]

Interesting TwXtter post from Graham Nolan, as well as one of the subsequent exchanges:-

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TwXtter

Of course it simply isn’t possible that Nolan doesn't know who the replier is referring to. Instead of diplomacy or a generic response, Nolan no doubt states how he truly feels about our fat bastard emperor.

The fact Nolan is speaking in the collective as Compass Comics over Comicsgate interests me. I’ve seen this more from him recently and it implies a distancing - he’s savvy and will have noted that he should hit £100k for Monster Island, and is right on Lieutenant Colonel Malincel’s tail wrt Graveyard Shift V.

I don’t believe for one moment Nolan was pleased with the manner in which EVS and Malin ripped into his Yaira cover last week; regardless of what the artistic faults were. That should have sowed the seeds of discontent if they weren’t already in the soil. I know I’m a bit like a dog with a bone on this, but I remain convinced a Nolan defection from CG to RippaSend is on the cards.

Nolan is in a sucky position because of EVS and Chuck Dixon. The latter being that Dixon is in super deep with Eric July. So I think he is just trying his best to be professional. But I have an inkling that if he had to choose one of them in the divorce, it'd be Dixon. But who knows. Maybe it'll be an artists stick together sort of thing. Even if that artist will be more than happy to kick you off the lifeboat if it meant it would give him more legroom. I'd like to think he sees what is happening though. But Nolan also doesn't strike me as someone that lives on the internet like Shane or EVS do.

But funny enough, Nolan even agrees it shouldn't take years to complete a comic. The questioner was obviously referring to EVS. I would be surprised if Nolan didn't realize that.

Jump to 43:55 if it doesn't for you.

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Also, Eric July was on PopXP yesterday with Palmiotti and Tucci (and someone else, I forget) last night. They seemed to have a good time talking. And apparently Palmiotti is good friends with the Soska sisters. So I am sure he wasn't very happy in seeing EVS and his merry band attacking them.

 

[Fascist Kirk]

@robo6 your just another CG creator that finally see EVS for what he is. there was 7 years of people like you who came before, none of them mattered till you figured it out for yourself. Glad you figured it out, but maybe lay off the weed.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

Coomalot dropping a "Night Letter"