#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[MisterCH 86]

To be fair, Image DID have those problems. They were artists that thought they could write and lived in an era where looking cool was king. Not to mention, they had A LOT of issues being late. Eric has issues with quality. He needs to have a couple of really mainstream titles. Something that could put him on the map. I think he needs someone with an eye for what works visually and then someone to give that character a story. Todd could do the former. Most of the Image guys could. But Eric only has the business side of the job down for now. He needs the creative side too.

You CLEARLY haven't read any of Eric Julys most recent work ..... People who STILL say that Never did. If I were you I would read PAST Isom 1 and 2 at this point in time assuming you even read either of them at all. And I'm not even going to bother repeating the term "quality is a matter of taste" anymore.... No point if it's just going to fall on deaf ears. Seriously for a website like this that supposedly has people that does research on everything, you all certainly don't do enough of your own involving Eric July and his improvements in writing leading up to today OR any of the other characters he wrote about....Isom 3 "which the vast majority of people thought was the best one involving Isom so far" Salvage PI, Saoirse, Norfrica, and plenty more too....Isom 1 and 2 are not the only books he wrote you know. And if you actually read any of his current work you would see that he has improved since then and Isom 1 and 2 were not even as bad as a lot of people were led to believe according to the people who actually read them for the first time. I suggest you try it. You people are not as informed on how his company works as you like to believe, and I'm willing to bet none of you even read past the first 2 Isoms, IF EVEN that. There are people that say Absolute Batman was badly written or mid but that doesn't make it true.... I'm not even a fan of the series and I have enough awareness to realize that, I really don't see how any of you can't.

 

[Incecticyder]

You CLEARLY haven't read any of Eric Julys most recent work ..... People who STILL say that Never do. If I were you I would read PAST Isom 1 and 2 at this point in time assuming you even read either of them at all. And I'm not even going to bother repeating the term "quality is a matter of taste" anymore.... No point if it's just going to fall on deaf ears.

Look, the man needs something really eye-catching. Something that makes people talk. Sadly, he doesn't have that killer design yet. The closest that would probably attract me is Bloodruth but everything else just doesn't speak to me at all. Like it or not, humans are a visual species. We need a good cover before we decide to buy the book. We can go "don't judge a book by its cover" all day long but we do judge. It is human nature, don't fight it.

That doesn't mean that I will shame others for liking his stuff. I just haven't found something that really speaks to me from him. Maybe one day. I like him as a person. But he does need mainstream appeal. He needs to advertise to people outside former CG-ers. Book stores, websites, TV etc etc.

The issue is twofold though. Firstly, the mainstream industry burned through most good will. Absolute DC has undone some of it but every other part of the industry has been keeping course into doom. And secondly, CG has caused people to lose faith in indies as well. A massive amount of cultists that promise that comics MIGHT be made in exchange for more and more money while their lives crumble have costed people to consider anyone selling comics made in the US to be a scammer.

Eric might be a genuine man and a good business man but he needs to address his lack of good flagships and the fact that comics are a bad business now. Hell, Marvel took decades before finding those killer premises. They started with Namor and the robot version of the Human Torch before they got the X-men, Hulk or Spiderman.

 

[MisterCH 86]

Look, the man needs something really eye-catching. Something that makes people talk. Sadly, he doesn't have that killer design yet. The closest that would probably attract me is Bloodruth but everything else just doesn't speak to me at all. Like it or not, humans are a visual species. We need a good cover before we decide to buy the book. We can go "don't judge a book by its cover" all day long but we do judge. It is human nature, don't fight it.

That doesn't mean that I will shame others for liking his stuff. I just haven't found something that really speaks to me from him. Maybe one day. I like him as a person. But he does need mainstream appeal. He needs to advertise to people outside former CG-ers. Book stores, websites, TV etc etc.

The issue is twofold though. Firstly, the mainstream industry burned through most good will. Absolute DC has undone some of it but every other part of the industry has been keeping course into doom. And secondly, CG has caused people to lose faith in indies as well. A massive amount of cultists that promise that comics MIGHT be made in exchange for more and more money while their lives crumble have costed people to consider anyone selling comics made in the US to be a scammer.

Eric might be a genuine man and a good business man but he needs to address his lack of good flagships and the fact that comics are a bad business now. Hell, Marvel took decades before finding those killer premises. They started with Namor and the robot version of the Human Torch before they got the X-men, Hulk or Spiderman.

You see this? This took me 2 seconds to find. Also you basically admitted you never actually read Isom, you just went by his appearance. Why not just say that in the beginning instead of giving me the cock and bull of him not being a good writer? And like I said they did the same thing with Spawn in Image.... Rippaverse is not even 4 years old yet, give it time.

 

[Incecticyder]

You see this? This took me 2 seconds to find. Also you basically admitted you never actually read Isom, you just went by his appearance. Why not just say that in the beginning instead of giving me the cock and bull of him not being a good writer? And like I said they did the same thing with Spawn in Image.... Rippaverse is not even 4 years old yet, give it time.

I don't know what you are talking about. I have repeated many times that I haven't read his stuff. I never said otherwise. This isn't the "GOTCHA!" that you think it is. Yes, they said the same thing about old Image. And I agree with them about old Image. I have read some of those and I prefer new Image over the old. And again, I never said I won't give the Rippaverse a chance in the future. I said that, as of now, I haven't been all that drawn to it.

 

[MisterCH 86]

I don't know what you are talking about. I have repeated many times that I haven't read his stuff. I never said otherwise.

Well if you did I never saw you say that so.....my bad. I'm not too proud to admit when I make a mistake, but do me a favor and DON'T criticize someone's writing unless you actually read their stuff first.... It makes no sense to do otherwise.

 

[Incecticyder]

Well if you did I never saw you say that so.....my bad. I'm not too proud to admit when I make a mistake, but do me a favor and DON'T criticize someone's writing unless you actually read their stuff first.... It makes no sense to do otherwise.

I merely go by what others have said regarding that. Which I also admit. Most people are of the opinion that the Rippaverse is decent. Which is better than a lot of modern mainstream comics that aim for bad stories and art carried by woke tropes.

 

[MisterCH 86]

I merely go by what others have said regarding that. Which I also admit. Most people are of the opinion that the Rippaverse is decent. Which is better than a lot of modern mainstream comics that aim for bad stories and art carried by woke tropes.

Yeah, that's the problem.... You go by what others have said, and I have a pretty good idea who those others are too, and they sound like bad faith actors. But yeah, you should definitely check out Goodreads or see websites involving the Rippaverse like the Facebook page. You will see what people that actually read them in good faith think about them.....And the amount of phrase they get as well as the reasons they give it will definitely surprise you. In a good way of course

 

[Rupin]

Not just that, but they are literally doing exactly what anklebiters did to Image Comics when that first came out.... Calling it bad quality, complaining about the prices, accusing them of marketing it solely for the purpose of replacing the big two, saying they're just making one big echo chamber or that Todd can't take criticism...hell they even said Todd McFarlane was a lousy writer and that SPAWN ITSELF was mid......yeah that's right, they're doing exactly to the Rippaverse what people like them did to Image back in the 90s. Well it didn't work before with Image and considering all the obvious growth and success Rippaverse is doing, it's CLEARLY not going to work for them NOW. BUT if they want to waste their time having history repeat itself "not in THIER favor I might add" by all means..... Rippaverse will still be here years later regardless of the ankle biters, I'm not too worried about it.

Tell me again which one of Eric’s books is Spawn quality? There is a huge difference between what McFarlene was producing in the 90’s and what Eric shits out now. This can not be denied.

 

[MisterCH 86]

Tell me again which one of Eric’s books is Spawn quality? There is a huge difference between what McFarlene was producing in the 90’s and what Eric shits out now. This can not be denied.

You can keep quiet. Your opinion literally means nothing and I've proven you wrong more times than I should even have to. Go back to playing with Barbies, that seems to be more your taste.

 

[Rupin]

You can keep quiet. Your opinion literally means nothing and I've proven you wrong more times than I should even have to. Go back to playing with Barbies, that seems to be more your taste.

I’m just saying, you've been squabbling with most of the board over Eric for the past week. We get it, you like his comics and his dick is balls deep in your mouth. That doesnt mean the rest of us have to feel the same way. Take a break, touch some grass.

 

[MisterCH 86]

Im just saying, you've been squabbling with most of the board over Eric for the past week. We get it, you like his comics and his dick is balls deep in your mouth. That doesnt mean the rest of us have to feel the same way. Take a break, touch some grass.

And I'm just saying....DROP IT. You've all been ankle biting him for how long now how calling him a bad writer all because YOU YOURSELF don't like 1 or 2 books that you never read anything past and the hell with everyone else? How about you take your own advice and just accept reality for what it is? I understand people like you suffer from an elitist sense of over entitlement and as a result you're convinced that if you can't like something no one can, but that's not how real life goes. The sooner you accept that, the better. You start doing that, I give you my word I will not defend this brand on here to the point of obsession, and that's a promise.

 

[johnnynoname]

what other comics does @MisterCH 86 read outside of the Rippaverse?

EDIT: btw- i can understand if you don't read any of the big 2 current stuff......what's in your backlog?

 

[Incecticyder]

Yeah, that's the problem.... You go by what others have said, and I have a pretty good idea who those others are too, and they sound like bad faith actors. But yeah, you should definitely check out Goodreads or see websites involving the Rippaverse like the Facebook page. You will see what people that actually read them in good faith think about them.....And the amount of phrase they get as well as the reasons they give it will definitely surprise you. In a good way of course

Yeah well, that is what reviews are there for. Maybe there is greatness there. That could be said about many books though. Unless something catches my eye real good, I will not bother for now.

Tell me again which one of Eric’s books is Spawn quality? There is a huge difference between what McFarlene was producing in the 90’s and what Eric shits out now. This can not be denied.

For me, Image as a whole was style over substance. That has since changed and they found success in mainstream too.

You can keep quiet. Your opinion literally means nothing and I've proven you wrong more times than I should even have to. Go back to playing with Barbies, that seems to be more your taste.

I get that you are defending something you are passionate for. I have that passion too. Still, if you are going to be an ambassador fan, consider how you come across. You represent the comics you like. Please think about giving a good impression over a defiant defense. Do not treat others as adversaries, treat them as potential future, fellow fans.

 

[MisterCH 86]

what other comics does @MisterCH 86 read outside of the Rippaverse?

EDIT: btw- i can understand if you don't read any of the big 2 current stuff......what's in your backlog?

I'm glad you asked. I read Iconic comics more specifically Soul finder, I read a few Indie brands and even a few mainstream brands like The Watchmen, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and I even read Alterna comics as well. I backed a few crowdfunding books that we're actually delivered to me that I enjoyed, and I have more than a few short boxes full of them.

I get that you are defending something you are passionate for. I have that passion too. Still, if you are going to be an ambassador fan, consider how you come across. You represent the comics you like. Please think about giving a good impression over a defiant defense. Do not treat others as adversaries, treat them as potential future, fellow fans.

There's a difference between being respectful and being submissive....That person already made it real clear that he or she thinks that his or her opinion is law and everyone else is wrong. Why should I respect somebody with that level of elitist over entitlement, when they can't even respect my own opinion of agree to disagree? I tell them I enjoy something, and they automatically assume the worst of me just because they don't..... Why should I treat this person with respect when they can't even respect my opinion?

 

[Incecticyder]

There's a difference between being respectful and being submissive.

True but it there a a slippery slop between passionate and pushy. Maybe you should be the one to say first "let's try to see where the other comes from first and then agree to disagree". Talk about the things you liked and disliked and why.

Why what I respect somebody with that level of elitist over entitlement, when they can't even respect my own opinion of agree to disagree?

Same could be said about you. I think you both need to reexamine this in order to see how you feel.

 

[MisterCH 86]

True but it there a a slippery slop between passionate and pushy. Maybe you should be the one to say first "let's try to see where the other comes from first and then agree to disagree". Talk about the things you liked and disliked and why.


Same could be said about you. I think you both need to reexamine this in order to see how you feel.

I already said more than once that I understand if people don't like something, but I'm not just going to stand by and let them accuse me of ulterior motives just because I like something they don't. THAT I WILL NOT do. They can either accept my opinion as well as the facts that were given to them and move on, or get scolded and fuck off. But yeah I'll be happy to talk about things I like as well as dislike about the comics I read.

 

[Incecticyder]

I already said more than once that I understand if people don't like something, but I'm not just going to stand by and let them accuse me of ulterior motives just because I like something they don't. THAT I WILL NOT do. They can either accept my opinion as well as the facts that were given to them and move on, or get scolded and fuck off

To be fair, you are acting like a white knight for the man. Tone down the frequency. Every time someone says something, you jump in there. Take a deep breath. Articulate your thoughts better. The general opinion on the Rippaverse is that it is decent to good. Few will be superfans. Do not expect your passion to be shared always. Not everything needs an immediate reaction.

 

[MisterCH 86]

To be fair, you are acting like a white knight for the man.

Hey, I'm not a big fan of disinformation. Should I just stand by and let people tell lies about somebody and say nothing? If people did that than they would still trust the mainstream media or people when they say they saw a unicorn and not learn to think for themselves or do research.

The general opinion on the Rippaverse is that it is decent to good.

I know that, and it's not even hard to look up either. I just don't like it when people try to gaslight me into believing that it's all in my head and that I'm being brainwashed into liking something all because THEY don't like it or when they try to accuse me of being paid to defend something they're trying to damage. THAT no one likes, I don't see why I should be any different.

Do not expect your passion to be shared always. Not everything needs an immediate reaction.

As I've said before I don't, but I'm not just going to stand by and let someone spread disinformation..... We have enough fake news on the internet as it is, I'm not going to stand by and let it happen if I can help it, and most certainly not for something I enjoy.

 

[Incecticyder]

Hey, I'm not a big fan of disinformation. Should I just stand by and let people tell lies about somebody and say nothing? If people did that than they would still trust the mainstream media or people when they say they saw a unicorn and not learn to think for themselves or do research.
I know that, and it's not even hard to look up either. I just don't like it when people try to gaslight me into believing that it's all in my head and that I'm being brainwashed into liking something all because THEY don't like it. THAT no one likes, I don't see why I should be any different.
As I've said before I don't, but I'm not just going to stand by and let someone spread disinformation..... We have enough fake news on the internet as it is, I'm not going to stand by and let it happen if I can help it.

As someone who goes on his own flame wars on those spreading disinfo, I think the issue is that you haven't learned to shorten the length of your posts as well as the fact that you seem like a fanboy rather than someone who fights lies. Try to rein that in. Consider how you come across.

 

[MisterCH 86]

As someone who goes on his own flame wars on those spreading disinfo, I think the issue is that you haven't learned to shorten the length of your posts as well as the fact that you seem like a fanboy rather than someone who fights lies. Try to rein that in. Consider how you come across.

Can't I be both? I mean it is possible Right? Also why do I need to shorten the length of my posts? Isn't it better the more information and good points I make? I don't want to leave anything out after all. And it still doesn't excuse the fact that they try to accuse me of ulterior motives just because I like something they don't.