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>tfw hating your own family over dumb political bullshit
That's really sad. You'd think this would be a sign they need to tone it down and they don't have much emotional maturity if they'd do that.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=17JQgYahfyc
If somebody will use their place as a minor celebrity to publicly shame an elderly relative, that really say it all.
 
For those of you not keeping up with Mark Waid and his antics, he’s been doing interviews for podcasts and on panels at cons. People have asked him about a certain individual and his G.I. Joe rip-off comic. Obviously Waid as a man of true character lied his ass off. Both D&C’s response and the interview are linked below:
Time stamp (18:34)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AbLVYvXnwp0I made a rough trancript of what Waid said:
Mark Waid said:
That’s...It’s tough to answer, because I’m trying...you don’t want to give oxygen too much to toxic toxic people but what he’s basically talking about there is, there are....just as there are unpop I mean right in the world right now it just in the comic books in the world you got heavily you know male heavy um movements of guys who are trying to move things back towards white supremacy, back towards a world which women knew their place, uh that kind of nonsense, um and (they’re within the proud boys) or they’re you know this group or that group and Comics has you know a group or 2 like that too, Comics fans have a group who have better (inteligable) are to too and it’s changed, um tryin to say without inflaming anything, recently um one of them, one of these groups kickstarted a comic and great awesome they’re gonna do they’re own graphic novel cause they’re super, hyper conservative guys and the myth was, the rap* was that comics was not interested in creating conservative creators or we’re not, we’re throwing conservative creators out, that’s not the case at all, it’s a lot of conservative creators in comics, we, we’re throwing assholes out, that what we’re doing for every, for every conservative asshole who we don’t work within comics, there’s 10 liberal assholes who we don’t work within comics, so if that’s not, there’s no, there’s no political yardstick here, uh these guys created the, they did their comic, great awesome, then they started doing things like making a list of the stores, there was, there was a bunch of the stores that decided they were not going to carry the comic, so these guys made a list of those stores and their phone and the numbers and the names of first and last of all their employees and with the idea that “Oh no, don’t call them and harass them, I’m not telling you to do that at all.” (said sarcastically), but here’s their phone numbers and their first and last names of all their employees, but c’mon so, there was a publisher here in Texas who was going to publish their comic, where, after their kisckstarter they were gonna publish it for comic stores and there was a huge amount of hatred toward that publisher at this moment there was a, most people in comics, most fans of comics were looking at this as “How? What are you doing? These guys are, these are indefensible human beings.” uh they are, they, they harass women, they harass minorities, they harass lgbtq people, they’re full of hate, What are you doing? And my feeling is, look let baby keep his bottle , I, I don’t care who published the comic, I don’t care wether you publish this comic or not i don’t care but I knew the publisher and I don’t think he was aware of why all of a sudden there was this gigantic ground swell of hate towards him, so I said before a hate mob burns his place to the ground, let me call him and find out what’s going on, wether he understands (unintelligible) if he wants to publish it that’s great I don’t care but I just, I know the guy and want to make sure he knows why the hordes of Hell are defending upon him right now, that’s seems reasonable right? You know long story short, I did call the publisher and said “You do what you want and I’m not, I’m not asking you to not publish it, I’m not even saying, I’m not saying anything, I just curious what you’re thinking.” And the answer was “Oh my god, we had no idea, like we really didn’t vet this before we decided to publish it.” And so they made an announcement that they weren’t gonna publish it, uh that’s their choice, I wasn’t, i you know I, I didn’t, I wasn’t intimidating them, I wasn’t pushing them into doing one thing or another, I just wanted to, to look out for him, make sure he understood why people are angry at him, um and so that turned into what, me getting death threats every, you know 5-6 hours for a while, I’m cause I clearly hate, you know I clearly hate conservatives, because I didn’t, I said, I’m clearly I’m bullying comics, apparently I’m bullying comic publishers, I’m calling publisher and bullying into not publi-, if I can, if I can bully publishers I’d be rich, if I could bully publishers I’d be writing Superman tomorrow, I can, there would be so many things I would be doing if I were really, if I had a power to make publishers do what I wanted them to do, um does that kinda answer you question? It’s kinda, it’s uh, uh, people can you know feel what they wanna feel, ah uh yeah, you are, you aren’t, you aren’t with them are ya? Okay. I didn’t, I didn’t drive you guys out did I? One more question.
Now moving onto this specific interview with Word Ballon, Waid had an interview with them almost 2 weeks ago in which he lied for almost a full hour straight:
Waid did another interview, this time with Word Balloon (idk some podcast) and he talks about Comicsgate and the individual known as Richard C Meyer:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wordballoon/2018/07/04/mark-waid-hates-bullies#.WzxTm6634fQ.twitter (https://archive.fo/A4jxE)

48:47 Culture Wars (Comicsgate) - He admits that even after the old heroes came back people still complained, almost like the quality of the comic is what was important.
56:30 Jawbreakers and RCM
1:08:32 Antarctic Press - "No one is trying, no one want to stop people from publishing comics..." Proceeds to say how the comicbook world was "on fire" that Antarctic was publishing it and people were "coming at them with pitchforks and torches".
1:12:00 The Call & Retailer Lies - If I was Mark's lawyer, I would be looking for a new client right about now.
1:19:22 "My Favorite flavor of fan is Legal Expert" - Weird how a lot of lawyers suddenly were flooding Zack's email after the AP call, definitely weird.
1:20:22 CG, a small but loud voice - Why are comic sales down? If they're such a minority and obviously hate comics why have the helped fund 4 comics into almost a million dollars?
1:21:25 Working Behind the Scenes - Waid admits there are people working behind the scenes to shut down any dissenting opinions. (HMMMM? CBR Forums?)
1:24:25 Dark Roast - Literally admits to Gatekeeping and Blacklisting

wow, Waid managed to use every single one of these:
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Download link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wordballoon/2018/07/04/mark-waid-hates-bullies.mp3?localembed=download

EDIT:
He lied for longer than 30mins, but ok:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3-yoqEg1lyY
After this interview Zack contacted the Word Ballon Podcast guy who said he would interview Zack to get his side of the story:
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https://twitter.com/johnwordballoon/status/1015346819830894597 https://archive.fo/XzPlR

He deleted that tweet, which was promptly noticed by Zack and/or his followers:
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https://twitter.com/diversityandcmx/status/1018523837057699840 https://archive.fo/holQ6

Then when one of Zack’s followers reminded him about it, this was his reaction. And apparently this (Troy) person had met with and been a fan of this podcast for 4 years:
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https://twitter.com/johnwordballoon/status/1018039253048201216 https://archive.fo/YJ884

He was obviously blocked before he could see the “Fuck Off” comment:
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Zack has pretty much given up on getting his side of the story told by anyone that could be pressured by the ComicbookTaliban (Formerly ComicbookMafia):
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https://twitter.com/DiversityAndCmx/status/1018531033002795008 https://archive.fo/mham7

I’m not surprised this guy would fold to preassure, he looks soft:
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The creature on the left is Kelly Sue Deconik.

John Siuntres
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https://twitter.com/johnwordballon
https://www.patreon.com/wordballoon
https://www.facebook.com/john.siuntres
https://www.youtube.com/user/wordballoon
 
Zack has pretty much given up on getting his side of the story told by anyone that could be pressured by the ComicbookTaliban (Formerly ComicbookMafia):

How do these simpering, cowering pussies think they're going to defeat "Nazis" when they're such weaklings they get told who they're even allowed to talk to by their overlords?
 
How do these simpering, cowering pussies think they're going to defeat "Nazis" when they're such weaklings they get told who they're even allowed to talk to by their overlords?

They'd be the collaborators or the Nazis. Heck, even the term white privilege is not all that different from the concept of white supremacy.
 
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My faavorite D&C review is the one where he made it half way through an issue of Ms. Marvel before he bombed a school because screaming children in agony are one of the few things that still bring him joy.

Still waiting on hearing about the other half tho....

Edit: It's even sadder when you read the thread.
 
If somebody will use their place as a minor celebrity to publicly shame an elderly relative, that really say it all.

Even sadder is this is not one of these young millennial dipshits. Sienkewiszc (sp?) has got to be in his 50’s if not his 60’s. You would think life itself might have taught a few lessons by then.
 
What videos was this guy watching? I've seen meaner reviews than Zack's on Deviant Art, and you know how much asspatting there is there.
 
What videos was this guy watching? I've seen meaner reviews than Zack's on Deviant Art, and you know how much asspatting there is there.
none, he woke up to the comicsmafia equivalent of a horse head in his bed
 
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"Look at what a good boy I am! I told the bad man to go away! Please don't blacklist me!"
 
If you consider D&C "too mean" when it comes to dispensing criticism, give up on your life's ambition effective immediately.

He's just desperately trying to convince himself he really wanted to lick those social justice jackboots and suck that social justice cock, and that he isn't a pathetic sniveling pussy who gets told what to do by a bully mob.
 
He's just desperately trying to convince himself he really wanted to lick those social justice jackboots and suck that social justice cock, and that he isn't a pathetic sniveling pussy who gets told what to do by a bully mob.

I can't bring myself to hold it against people for giving into the mob. Unless you're financially stable enough to handle the backlash, siding against SJWs tends to yield less than positive results. It's not enough to just berate you, they need to feel like they've achieved something and that requires getting you sacked so you can "learn your lesson".
 
I can't bring myself to hold it against people for giving into the mob. Unless you're financially stable enough to handle the backlash, siding against SJWs tends to yield less than positive results. It's not enough to just berate you, they need to feel like they've achieved something and that requires getting you sacked so you can "learn your lesson".
One is between a rock and a hard place in this sitation:

- Give the 'mean' Comicsgaters a platform to air their grievances with a waning industry, and the SJWs will run your business into the ground via politics and public shaming.

-Give in to the SJWs and end up closing shop because you openly trashed your customer base who find the low quality product they're producting not worth the time and money invested in it and the woke crowd practically brag about pirating the books anyway.
 
ComicChron talking about the latest ICv2 Report and June 2018 sales http://www.comichron.com/ http://archive.is/LTdyl

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Here's the top 10 of June 2018. It astounds me that any comic book pro like Ron Marz can't see any issues with the current sales trajectory or tactics, In the top ten alone there are:
  • Five #1 issues
  • Two milestone books - ASM #801 - Dan Slotts last, Xmen gold #30 (marriage)
  • Two Batman #48 + 49 (always solid, but also leading up to the #50 marriage)
  • One #2 with a 57% decrease (less time on shelf)
If you go top 30 (>50k sold) you can include another: five issue #1s (4 prelude to batman wedding), three #2 and #3s, two #4 and one #5. One of each #2-5 issues includes the much hyped Bendis Man of Steel run. The only issues with double digit runs include the mentioned ASM, Batman, Xmen as well as the Walking dead #180, Flash #48-49, Detective comics #982-983 and Star Wars Darth Vader #17. I know comics love to reboot but Jesus, you can't think this is sustainable.

How many people actually listen to this wordballoon guys podcast anyway? First time I've ever heard about him mentioned was due to DnC stuff. http://www.wordballoon.com/ http://archive.is/SpNFU He's got ~7000 twitter followers and 254 patrons for $653 a month https://www.patreon.com/wordballoon/overview http://archive.is/Adz82
His latest podcast promoted on his twitter lead me to this
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wordballoon http://archive.is/llmn4

He has one constant in all of this stuff i just checked, almost zero engagement with anybody.
 
John's room-mate Lyman just vanished one day, and John's mentality has gone downhill ever since then.

The strip is basically the tales on an Incel who murdered his more popular room-mate and has only his cat to talk to.

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You should give a shout out to Garfield minus Garfield
Nothing dishonorable about that. Heinlein started writing to pay off debts incurred after a failed run for public office.

I'm a bit of an HPL fan, so I may have to check these out.
They are great. If you want to see his early super racist take on Lovecraft, see if you can get your hands on the courtyard. One of my favourite things about Moore's Lovecraft work is that it's all connected and you can see that even back when he'd only read the colour out of space he'd thought the universe through enough to put domes over every city in neonomicon :D

On a more serious note though you are absolutely right that there is nothing wrong with paying the bills, but the important thing is that these authors understand that we aren't saying no politics ever, we are saying they need to stop writing politics because they fucking suck at it.


One is between a rock and a hard place in this sitation:

- Give the 'mean' Comicsgaters a platform to air their grievances with a waning industry, and the SJWs will run your business into the ground via politics and public shaming.

-Give in to the SJWs and end up closing shop because you openly trashed your customer base who find the low quality product they're producting not worth the time and money invested in it and the woke crowd practically brag about pirating the books anyway.
True, there is pressure from the sjws, but that's why I think movetheneedle is a clever concept, because one of the things it demonstrates to comic shop owners is who is buying their products. A shop might get harassed by sjws, but the comicgaters have proven time and again they have money to spare and are dying to throw it at someone who is getting fucked over by sjws. It's really a no brainer.
 
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