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Isn't this like going "My comics aren't religious. Religion implies it's a belief and GOD IS 100% FACTUALLY PROVEN TO EXIST"?
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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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This 100% applies to my nearest local convention too. I think the last one was the 26th edition and i've been partecipating to it for the past 8 years.
Honestly, why is comic gate even needed? Might as well let the comics industry becoming a Tumblr dumping ground and watch it slowly rot even further.
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I like the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man too much to see some fat ladies/"ladies" who are over 10 years older then me ruin it (more anyways).
Edit: Plus you know, if comics does implode because of them, where exactly would be this "quarantine" you're suggesting? They'll just move on to something else and it was all pointless because "Eh, comics are for autists anyways". The whole "let it burn" idea doesn't really work here. Things don't stop existing when you aren't looking at them.
Even if you were to say "Manga's fine", companies that translate it can still be affected and by extension would be able influence to what comes overseas. The other option is piracy but that misses the point here. If it were to be a dumping ground, it needs to be a thing that isn't going to fall over at any minute.
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Hell, even Superfriends had that Aztec or Mexican or whatever hero he was. You know, the dude without pants.
And his complaint about Rockstar not having Mexicans in it. Well, if they put Mexicans in it, you can bet people would be screaming it was being used as a Mexican genocide simulator even if they had to record the footage themselves.
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As things currently are, the comics are in late stage cancer and there is no saving, almost everyone in the industry likes and supports how things are right now and they would rather sink along the ship than save themselves.
Anime has already been getting attacked by progressives too and signals of western companies like Crunchyroll and Netflix trying to take them over have already been visible for a while to the dedicated fans. I think that is still possible to prevent a future animegate if they don't let them take even an inch.
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That's kinda the point, ain't it? We totally can have the "Tumblr dumping ground" but that still requires a stable part of the market doing things people want. Apathy is meaningless if everything is "late stage cancer", pointing out how SJWs with a stranglehold on the industry are idiots isn't going to make things worse. If it's inevitable that things will only get worse and the bubble will pop spreading them everywhere else then you can really only go up.
The argument then just becomes "I don't care because it's not something I was interested in".
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personally I've always thought the Marvel and DC story wise are at least 10 years past it's prime, SJW shit may be terrible but when's the last time you read a good spider man story before that? How many times are they going to reboot DC?
Rome was a rotten fucked up mess before the Visigoths and Huns circled like vultures looking to pick the corpse clean. Such as it is with the SJW's. After 30-70 years of respective comics published without break monthly/weekly their isnt anything worth saying with these characters,
I know it would never happenbut the best thing you could do is wrap up all major series and call it a day for 10-20 years. Explore new concepts, make new franchises then return to them down the line with something to actually write about instead of Batman vs Joker round billion"when's he just going to kill this fucking guy?".
Edit-you could even do all those shitty progressive comics you want and see which ones are actually good enough to stand on their own without having to rely on the Marvel baggage.
Rome was a rotten fucked up mess before the Visigoths and Huns circled like vultures looking to pick the corpse clean. Such as it is with the SJW's. After 30-70 years of respective comics published without break monthly/weekly their isnt anything worth saying with these characters,
I know it would never happenbut the best thing you could do is wrap up all major series and call it a day for 10-20 years. Explore new concepts, make new franchises then return to them down the line with something to actually write about instead of Batman vs Joker round billion"when's he just going to kill this fucking guy?".
Edit-you could even do all those shitty progressive comics you want and see which ones are actually good enough to stand on their own without having to rely on the Marvel baggage.
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I'm going to be anal and point out "DC reboots all the time" isn't really accurate and one of those things people say cause others say it. The only true reboot was Crisis on Infinite Earths which resulted in a new world. Everything else are just minor tweaks dealt with within it's narrative. Heck, CoIE itself was only a "soft" reboot and from a practical point of view every Batman story from Detective Comics 27 to now did happen even if you need to re-contextualize some of them.
The second half I agree with though and that's what I feel is the bigger problem, there never was any reason to tear everything else down for the "progressive" comics. As for wrapping everything up, I've done some number crunching once and surprisingly we have like another century's worth of stories that could be crammed into the history of the A-listers until it gets too unreasonable and that could even be fixed by tossing another year or two on their timeline in that next century of publishing. It's actually not THAT bad if you want to talk "How do they do all these adventures so often".
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Nah, it'll be New Vegas coaplay for me and mine. Ave.
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There is a difference between "reboot" and "retcon." Crisis on Infinte Earts and the New 52 are reboots while Infinite Crisis and Zero Hour were retcons on a massive scale. It probably doesn't help that Legion of Super-Heroes rebooted twice.
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About a month ago EVS asked his fans to video themselves saying 'I am the leader of comicgate and you can be too' to be put into a video collage. Well part one is out and of course it's full of alt right white Nazi trolls.
Wait that's not what comic pros promised me! Just like all the other SJW - gate suffix controversies it looks like people of varying race and politics all over the world hate identity politics / progressive stack bullshit. I know the pros won't care or fob off 'that's not the majority of comicsgate' or some other excuse (shouldn't the minorities be listened too and believed?)
I hope some good REEEEs come from this. Apparently he has ~200 more videos of people so there should be a second video at some point.
Wait that's not what comic pros promised me! Just like all the other SJW - gate suffix controversies it looks like people of varying race and politics all over the world hate identity politics / progressive stack bullshit. I know the pros won't care or fob off 'that's not the majority of comicsgate' or some other excuse (shouldn't the minorities be listened too and believed?)
I hope some good REEEEs come from this. Apparently he has ~200 more videos of people so there should be a second video at some point.
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I get this message and cant play it:About a month ago EVS asked his fans to video themselves saying 'I am the leader of comicgate and you can be too' to be put into a video collage. Well part one is out and of course it's full of alt right white Nazi trolls.[MEDIA=googledrive]1r_gzBctupTVKt7VpdyS8FyUwyn_spIkc[/MEDIA]
Wait that's not what comic pros promised me! Just like all the other SJW - gate suffix controversies it looks like people of varying race and politics all over the world hate identity politics / progressive stack bullshit. I know the pros won't care or fob off 'that's not the majority of comicsgate' or some other excuse (shouldn't the minorities be listened too and believed?)
So for convinience:
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I don't want to sperg too much, but soft reboots are actually far worse than hard ones, with hard ones you at least have a very definite definition for what happened and what didn't.
Soft reboots instead fuzzy the process by picking and choosing what actually happened and what didn't.
I personally agree with @Emperor Julian here, blaming SJWs alone for ruining comics isn't correct, there are various reasons that comics are failing right now, manga for example is one, young people are increasingly going for manga ahead of American comics, for various storytelling and business model reasons.
SJWs only landed the last stab to Julius Caesar's body, we need to look at the other 20 stab wounds on his body if we are to properly diagnose why he died.
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The big problem with soft reboots is that it necessitates retcons and messes up the timeline. Case in point, Post-Crisis Wonder Woman debuted long after the Justice League's debut as well as Donna Troy's (AKA Wonder Girl) and thus needed to change their histories so that Black Canary became a Justice League founder and gave Troy the first of many revised origins. Similarly, Martian Manhunter basically took Superman's place on the League and retconned his origin so that he was the last surviving (Green) Martian. That is not even getting into the clusterfucks that were Hawkman and the Legion of Super-Heroes that are convoluted messes due to the rampant retcons.
Eventually DC had to do a soft reboot with Zero Hour and again with Infinite Crisis before they said, "Fuck it!" and did a harder reboot post-Flashpoint. The intent of Crisis on Infinite Earths was to make the DC Universe more streamlined, but arguably made it less accessible for new fans because of its cherry picking of continuity.
I can only keep up because I'm :autism: about this stuff.
It started with the speculator bubble of the early to mid-nineties where a bunch of idiots thought that Youngblood #1 was going to be the next Action Comics #1. Here is the thing that they failed to realize: Golden Age comic were worth thousands because they were rare. Recycling during World War II meant that many of these books ended up pulped and then there was the moral panic of the fifties where people tossed them in bonfires. Issues of 1991's X-Men #1 and Superman (vol. 2) #75 sold in the millions so there is a more than ample supply of them.
Additionally, Ron Perelman's greed ran Marvel through countless acquisitions and an ill-fated attempt distributing the company's own comics. SF Debris has a series of videos on the subject, and to make a long story short: many comic book stores closed around 1996 and Marvel Comics declared bankruptcy. The company never completely recovered. Despite a modest recovery in the early oughts and the merger with Disney, the Mouse wanted the IPs and left the comics branch to the vultures that we call SJWs.
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You know what the weirdest thing about all this has been to me? Last year I started reading Garth Ennis' run on The Punisher after watching the show, and holy shit those comics are fucking hardcore. It's hard to believe that just 14 years ago, Marvel would allow Ennis to write such extreme material for not one but two of their big name characters (the other being Nick Fury). If you showed these current writers what Ennis did to Nick Fury alone, it'd probably give them a coronary. There's so much violence and un-PC material in his stuff that it makes my head spin this same company's going in the complete opposite direction these days.
Hell, despite the fact Ennis writes with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, the politics he occasionally puts in tend to be more thought-provoking than what Marvel's current batch are doing. One of my favorite scenes is in Born, which takes place during Frank's third tour of Vietnam but mostly follows a soldier named Stevie Goodwin. There's a moment where he talks with a black soldier named Angel about the "good America" and how they can move past it. Angel retorts that the America Stevie believes in is a naive dream and that all Angel has waiting for him back home is a "ghetto fulla death." And it works because of the time and place the story takes place in, during the politically turbulent era of the Vietnam War. Or take his Kitchen Irish arc, which examines several different Irish gangs' perspective on Ireland, America, and the IRA.
And yet it never feels hamfisted. Love him or hate him, Ennis is at least a smart writer to not beat someone over the head with his politics, because we're not reading The Punisher to get lectured. We're reading it to see him kill criminals, and Ennis knows how to deliver that.
Hell, despite the fact Ennis writes with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, the politics he occasionally puts in tend to be more thought-provoking than what Marvel's current batch are doing. One of my favorite scenes is in Born, which takes place during Frank's third tour of Vietnam but mostly follows a soldier named Stevie Goodwin. There's a moment where he talks with a black soldier named Angel about the "good America" and how they can move past it. Angel retorts that the America Stevie believes in is a naive dream and that all Angel has waiting for him back home is a "ghetto fulla death." And it works because of the time and place the story takes place in, during the politically turbulent era of the Vietnam War. Or take his Kitchen Irish arc, which examines several different Irish gangs' perspective on Ireland, America, and the IRA.
And yet it never feels hamfisted. Love him or hate him, Ennis is at least a smart writer to not beat someone over the head with his politics, because we're not reading The Punisher to get lectured. We're reading it to see him kill criminals, and Ennis knows how to deliver that.
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The "Interviews" with Angel's sister (IIRC) about racial divisions in America in the 1960's was particular hard hitting in its truthfulness.
"You think Stevie and Angel would have been friends if they hadn't have been drafted? No."