#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[damian]

Go ahead and smash that like button if you've actually read anything this Jennifer de Guzman has contributed to, because I sure as shit haven't.
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2012, lmao. She’s not even a has been and she still has this much smug about being in the industry.

Achivement Unlocked: Massive Cunt

 

[AnOminous]

Holy shit, how do you fuck up anatomy that badly?

Rob Liefeld eat your heart out.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Zoe Quinn’s comic will sell worse than her book. Calling it now.

edit: what kicked off this cow crossover? Tons of cows are coming out to talk about #cg lately. I haven’t seen anyone go after Zoe over her comic. Just seems like she’s doing her usual, fanning the flames to then cry about harassment for pity bux.

This was 100% to go, "I know what will piss off these comicgoobers! ZOE QUINN!" Then, pretty much 90% of people involved in writing new independent comics went, "I have no idea who this person is."

Also I always found comicsgate a weird name, explains that they just took it and ran with it. Also EVS said gay porno harrassment when he should have said sexual harrassment. Sending pictures of your own asshole is legit sexual harassment and also a huge self own. Also a massively fireable offense in any sane industry.

 

[Peace and Harmony]

Man this is great, every time I look at few pages of this thread, the autism has engulfed a whole new pocket universe. I have never been this excited about comics in my life.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The market is shrinking, you bigot. Our fanfics-level writing and devianart-level are irrelevant:

I assume this has been said earlier in the thread, but how can they seriously complain about "comics literacy" or the "shrinking market" when for the last few years manga has been growing in popularity? It's a medium that you have to read backwards, have complex stories, and you have figure out cultural idiosyncrasies in order to get the most out of them, and yet mainstream comics are acting like 'man in spandex punches criminal' is too hard to grasp?

 

[damian]

Man this is great, every time I look at few pages of this thread, the autism has engulfed a whole new pocket universe. I have never been this excited about comics in my life.

Grab some popcorn and some beers:

https://twitter.com/quippymcthwipps/status/1016120716125786113 https://archive.fo/oGEOQ

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This racist pos must be part of KKKomicsHate, right?:

:

Whoops, guess I was wrong. But this time I know for sure this accounting is doing digital blackface!:

https://twitter.com/JDincauze/status/1033909723572187136 https://archive.fo/0TWxG

Spoiler: Whoops Pt II: Whoops Harder

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

You know, most artists can point to their body of work as an example of their technical prowess and creativity, because at they end of the day that's what makes good art. Why don't any of these chucklefucks just point to their respective works and say, "diversity and social justice makes for great writing and here's the proof"? Like, even if their quality standards are shit and their stories are hot garbage, I'd at least give them credit for showing that they care about the creative aspect of their jobs.

All these people do is bitch online and very rarely do they talk about stories they enjoy or ideas they've come up with or anything that would lead you to believe that they enjoy the medium they want to be figureheads of. None of this is news to anyone, but if these people can put out pro-SJW stories that were of outstanding quality, no one would be able to shit talk them. How would you be able to say that forced diversity in comics is bad when there'd be so many people proving you wrong?

 

[Peace and Harmony]

I assume this has been said earlier in the thread, but how can they seriously complain about "comics literacy" or the "shrinking market" when for the last few years manga has been growing in popularity?

Because no argument is too outlandish or conspiratorial as long as it absolves you of any culpability.

 

[One Man Bland]

I assume this has been said earlier in the thread, but how can they seriously complain about "comics literacy" or the "shrinking market" when for the last few years manga has been growing in popularity? It's a medium that you have to read backwards, have complex stories, and you have figure out cultural idiosyncrasies in order to get the most out of them, and yet mainstream comics are acting like 'man in spandex punches criminal' is too hard to grasp?

To be fair, there is some truth to how the American comics industry has been dying a very slow death when you consider a character like Superman is a household name and a national icon but in the last decade or so can barely make 300,000 sales.

The thing is, when most people who understand the history of the comic industry are talking about the market shrinking, they usually mean in reference to just the series of really bad decisions that the surviving companies have made over the years that have pretty much caused them to cripple themselves in an effort to get a stranglehold on the market: from backing the CCA that snuffed out pretty much every comic genre but superheroes in the US (meaning that if you don't like capes, you're SOL) to the shift from newsstands and grocery stores to comic shows (isolating the current story lines from everyone but regular readers) to the speculator bubble and the crash in the 90s (which cemented the above two effects and shrank distribution to exactly one company) It not only gave the Big 2 a ton of baggage in that they don't see an influx of new readership despite the rise in manga consumption, but that companies like Image that should've been able to get their foot in the door with that demographic kind of blew it because 90% of their output ended up being older nerds who want to make their own superheroes, hipsters who want to make their own superheroes but like ironically, and then people who make super niche shit very few people have heard of and even less enjoy. When you put all that up next to the manga industry with it's dozens of publishers making hundreds of different series of every genre imaginable, it's no wonder manga's still going strong while the Big 2 can barely keep their head above the water.

It's kind of why it irks me that CG tends to focus so much on physical sales when talking about the current state of the industry. While nuMarvel's bullshit and diversity hires certainly aren't helping, they're more a symptom of a much bigger problem that Marvel has spent the last several years trying to fix with bandaids on top of bullet holes - it's just that this time the bandaid of the month just happens to be social justice. SJWs don't get their footholds in healthy industries, franchises, and companies after all.

Mags however does not mean any of the above when talking about the shrinking market. By the bit about "comics literacy" I take it she's instead trying to imply that their nuMarvel books are failing because the general public is ignorant of the new characters and history rather than them just being bad books that shit all over the characters people are most familiar with.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

To be fair, there is some truth to how the American comics industry has been dying a very slow death when you consider a character like Superman is a household name and a national icon but in the last decade or so can barely make 300,000 sales.

The thing is, when most people who understand the history of the comic industry are talking about the market shrinking, they usually mean in reference to just the series of really bad decisions that the surviving companies have made over the years that have pretty much caused them to cripple themselves in an effort to get a stranglehold on the market: from backing the CCA that snuffed out pretty much every comic genre but superheroes in the US (meaning that if you don't like capes, you're SOL) to the shift from newsstands and grocery stores to comic shows (isolating the current story lines from everyone but regular readers) to the speculator bubble and the crash in the 90s (which cemented the above two effects and shrank distribution to exactly one company) It not only gave the Big 2 a ton of baggage in that they don't see an influx of new readership despite the rise in manga consumption, but that companies like Image that should've been able to get their foot in the door with that demographic kind of blew it because 90% of their output ended up being older nerds who want to make their own superheroes, hipsters who want to make their own superheroes but like ironically, and then people who make super niche shit very few people have heard of and even less enjoy. When you put all that up next to the manga industry with it's dozens of publishers making hundreds of different series of every genre imaginable, it's no wonder manga's still going strong while the Big 2 can barely keep their head above the water.

It's kind of why it irks me that CG tends to focus so much on physical sales when talking about the current state of the industry. While nuMarvel's bullshit and diversity hires certainly aren't helping, they're more a symptom of a much bigger problem that Marvel has spent the last several years trying to fix with bandaids on top of bullet holes - it's just that this time the bandaid of the month just happens to be social justice. SJWs don't get their footholds in healthy industries, franchises, and companies after all.

What can physical sales do when you're not reaching new customers at all?

It's not a problem that can easily be fixed, either. So much time has passed since the events you've mentioned it's simply not possible to reverse the effects that came from the changes without massive upheaval.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

This was 100% to go, "I know what will piss off these comicgoobers! ZOE QUINN!" Then, pretty much 90% of people involved in writing new independent comics went, "I have no idea who this person is."

Also I always found comicsgate a weird name, explains that they just took it and ran with it. Also EVS said gay porno harrassment when he should have said sexual harrassment. Sending pictures of your own asshole is legit sexual harassment and also a huge self own. Also a massively fireable offense in any sane industry.

Zoe Quinn and others will tell you how dumb those MAGA Trumptards are for doing the exact same thing and voting for Trump to piss off SJWs and idpol retards.

But it’s totes different because Zoe hates the “right” people and trumpkins hate minorities, women, and trannies or w/e.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Am I misreading or has she literally not been involved in the industry beyond this dumb slapfight since around half a decade ago? She's claiming "OH WOMEN AND MINORITIES HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOREVER" when all of this started YEARS after she left?

Her very latest book was in 2012, so...

What can physical sales do when you're not reaching new customers at all?

It's not a problem that can easily be fixed, either. So much time has passed since the events you've mentioned it's simply not possible to reverse the effects that came from the changes without massive upheaval.

But what should such a massive upheaval be?

 

[AnOminous]

Sending pictures of your own asshole is legit sexual harassment and also a huge self own. Also a massively fireable offense in any sane industry.

What does this say? It says trannies like Robbie Rodriguez are disgusting perverts who harass people by sending them pictures of his asshole.

It says Marvel is the kind of company that is publicly represented by disgusting perverts who harass people by sending them pictures of their assholes.

What does it say about the comics industry?

It says the comics industry is the kind of industry which is run by unprofessional scumbags who employ disgusting perverts who harass people by sending them pictures of their assholes.

Congratulations, comics industry, for showing everyone those comicsgate meanies are wrong and you're all totally normal professionals who should be respected as artists.

 

[RodgerDodger]

They would have a much simpler time just making this into a comic, at least it would sell:

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Actually they pretty much tried that with a Spider-Man spinoff/Dan Slott Yellow Fever Fetish character called Silk. It bombed badly.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Actually they pretty much tried that with a Spider-Man spinoff/Dan Slott Yellow Fever Fetish character called Silk. It bombed badly.

Yeah, they kinda forgot they established Peter Parker and Cindy Moon can't be around each other without wanting to fuck their brains out. Some nonsense about their shared origin. They also made the "female spiders eat their mate" joke which apparently isn't the case with Cindy.

 

[damian]

Update:
https://twitter.com/petersimeti/status/1034208184309669890

 

[NG 070]

Also I always found comicsgate a weird name, explains that they just took it and ran with it. Also EVS said gay porno harrassment when he should have said sexual harrassment. Sending pictures of your own asshole is legit sexual harassment and also a huge self own. Also a massively fireable offense in any sane industry.

Yeah, EVS could have gotten more moderate people on his side if he hadn't used "gay porno harassment", but he's so exceptional, even he can't see a good weapon even if it hit him square in the face.

Frankly, the more I read about this mess, I think everyone involved in this debacle are exceptional idiots. Both sides do make fairly salient points at their cores, but they are completely hysterical and use the same tactics against one another. The pro-CG people don't even realize that they frequently stoop to the same tactics of the anti-CG people and vice versa. If anything, if a casual observer came across this, the constant chimpouts would likely turn them completely off of comics, because who the hell wants to be associated with or hang out with these buffoons? One side is just as much the 'no fun police' as the other, as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I do begrudgingly give some people in the pro-CG crowd credit for actually putting their energy where their mouths are, and creating the comics they want to see. The quality might be varying levels of horseshit, but at least they're trying to be the change they want to see, and using their own IP/creations to do it. But I'm only giving them that much.

 

[Secret Asshole]

What does this say? It says trannies like Robbie Rodriguez are disgusting perverts who harass people by sending them pictures of his asshole.

It says Marvel is the kind of company that is publicly represented by disgusting perverts who harass people by sending them pictures of their assholes.

What does it say about the comics industry?

It says the comics industry is the kind of industry which is run by unprofessional scumbags who employ disgusting perverts who harass people by sending them pictures of their assholes.

Congratulations, comics industry, for showing everyone those comicsgate meanies are wrong and you're all totally normal professionals who should be respected as artists.

You're sending, as an employee, meant to be upsetting, discomforting and making you feel violated pictures to a former employee. This is the textbook definition of sexual harassment. If EVS really wanted to, he could actually sue DC Comics. But I feel like he left with them on amicable terms so that's never going to happen. I mean, this, in any other industry, would be grounds for firing and black-balling. I know in my industry, if I did this, not only would I be fired, I would be looking for a new entire job in a different industry. And possibly brought up on charges.

The fact that you can remain in the same industry, in the same job, after doing this, is a sign your industry is fucked and run by children. The guy doesn't even fucking sell shit all that well.

If I describe both in the worst possible way, comicsgate as: "People who hate libtards and are trump supports making conservative comics independently" and Anti-Comics Gate: "Professionals who send their anuses to people they don't like", no matter what truthful thing no matter how far I stretch it will never sound worse to normal people. The fact that they think that this is ok behavior is fucking re.tarded. People wonder why they're tired of fucking progrards.

Yeah, EVS could have gotten more moderate people on his side if he hadn't used "gay porno harassment", but he's so exceptional, even he can't see a good weapon even if it hit him square in the face.

Frankly, the more I read about this mess, I think everyone involved in this debacle are exceptional idiots. Both sides do make fairly salient points at their cores, but they are completely hysterical and use the same tactics against one another. The pro-CG people don't even realize that they frequently stoop to the same tactics of the anti-CG people and vice versa. If anything, if a casual observer came across this, the constant chimpouts would likely turn them completely off of comics, because who the hell wants to be associated with or hang out with these buffoons? One side is just as much the 'no fun police' as the other, as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I do begrudgingly give some people in the pro-CG crowd credit for actually putting their energy where their mouths are, and creating the comics they want to see. The quality might be varying levels of horseshit, but at least they're trying to be the change they want to see, and using their own IP/creations to do it. But I'm only giving them that much.

Yeah, the gay porno harrasment was a dumb line. The non-comicsgate people are more retarded because they're just jealous of the money.

 

[Jub-Jub]

edit: what kicked off this cow crossover? Tons of cows are coming out to talk about #cg lately. I haven’t seen anyone go after Zoe over her comic. Just seems like she’s doing her usual, fanning the flames to then cry about harassment for pity bux.

Cow crossovers happen every few months when the latest faux outrage occurs. Most seem to be trying to increase their sphere of influence, fish for work, pity bux and appear to be the hip cool person. What amazes me is that despite spending all their life on social media, many constantly seem to be behind in 'internet time'. Many cows started coming out denouncing CG for the 'widow harassment' days afterwards when the conversation had already shifted to Robbi's anus pics and the latest in #animegate.

It's not a problem that can easily be fixed, either. So much time has passed since the events you've mentioned it's simply not possible to reverse the effects that came from the changes without massive upheaval.

I've mentioned before, but CG also sees this as their only line of attack as they are simply not in a position to make sweeping changes to the industry. Or if a CG sympathetic person is in a position that could change the industry then they will be quickly removed from that position and replaced by an SocJus ally (if possible). Shit, Peter Simeti just copped a beating for simply saying thanks to customers, if he wasn't the owner or didn't see that being cordial to customers increased his profits, he'd be out. CG can only vote with their wallet, spread info about shit books/creators and hope Disney money men eventually pays attention since Marvel never will.

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

Is indeed heartbreaking what is happening to the medium being that it finally "made it to mainstream", but all of this was created by decades of poor decisions by the men at the top of the ladder.
Comic books/graphic novels can be considered an art but just as its potential to be political not all of them are fit to be considered like that, it requires a special kind of genius and love for your craft to make a work that can make it against traditional books or even animation to some extent.
The superhero genre made it big for a huge reason: it was an idealistic perception of the reality our grandparents faced. Times of war that crushed the ego of the greatest powers of the world required selling a role model that could endure such things out of pure will, and it probably functioned way more time than it deserved to be rentable.
As it is right now, we live in a world populated by idealists. Media keeps saying we have grown more cynical, more nihilistic, but the truth is that the overwhelming majority seeks to find meaning. Heroes should be tryving, they are doing it, just in a different way as the comic publishers are fading on past still stigmatized by the "basement dweller" trope while desperately trying to be otherwise.
Many of this pros like to parrot about how the fittest market will survive, well, it will but with its consequences.
The saddest part: Everyone loses. Except the disgusting weebs.