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Moron forgets eventually people stop caring, and this will legit kill off more people from buying again because of the about face. Not that he gives a shit, he only sees the income bracket, not crowd size bracket.

Until he tries and fails to use this thread to gaslight or "dear diary" about it because he keeps getting pissed about how that's the better margin for success IMO.
After today's screaming match on Oz's stream I don't see Pan being let back in but Frog seems perfectly content egging him on for the exposure regardless of who it hurts.

It is clear to me now that CG is full of children and the mentally handicapped though. There is zero investment potential there.
 
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I'm 2 hours into the livestream Oz did with Testefy because I missed it, but goddamn does Oz drag his ass here. He lost the argument against Testefy very quickly. So he spent the next hour trying to fish for Testefy's personal life information in order to pin something onto him to go back to the point that Testefy could have been wrong for calling Liam a liar. Apparently, Liam told Testefy something in private, which caused him to suspect that Liam doesn't actually care about CG, which I actually kind of agree with.


If you ask me, I agree with Testefy actually that Liam is probably doing something suspicious. His black and white version of his book was done 2 months ago, the colored version currently is being worked on. Why has he not printed his book to ship the black and white version to his backers so far but is instead moving onto developing a videogame? You can't really make the argument of "he might get more backers, so why would he print it now?" because you should always print a sizeable amount more than what you currently have for the incase. Also, having extra copies after sales means you can take it to eBay or other bookstores.

Liam also has never shown a proof copy either.

My theory is that Liam's redirecting his funds to the video game development and people won't see the book until he makes profit on the game to print them, and I could be wrong, but I have no other theory at the moment, however, because I'm interested in what all WC knows on the inside, I'm inclined to believe Testefy that he knows something about Liam that is damning.

Ethan's a retard for not letting Testefy say anything and trapped him before he could defend himself and used a blanket statement to play gotcha and call him a liar, and I'm not even playing Devil's advocate here, but Testefy really didn't get to talk much because Sketch kept jumping at him every chance he got. Once again, EeHee was an absolute moron and was totally ego-tripping.

Testefy also said in that livestream with Oz that he will not say what Liam's told him in private because he will not "dox Liam".

I'll have to finish watching the rest of this, but watching Oz try and play mental gymnastics whilst trying to get every single personal information out of this guy whom, even if he's been railroaded by some folks the past few days, does actually bring up some interesting things, is pretty retarded because he's scanning for possible arguments to attribute it to why Testefy is the way he is. Playing armchair psychologist basically.
Liam directly responded to your post, quoting it verbatim.

Key points:
*Liam claims that superchat money is funding the development of the game, not the funds from Xenotype.
*The funds for Xenotype are in his bank account and haven't been misused, he's gained interest on it since.
*There is no Cridious situation.
*Liam does plan on overprinting Xenotype and he gets a better shipping and printing rate with higher numbers.
*Liam has not shown a proof copy because he doesn't have it yet. He does have sample pages and has showcased them previously.
*Liam claims there have been hundreds of messages from @CapeKnight trying to create beef with him and name drops kiwifarms.
*Liam states that the AUD is trading high atm, currency exchange rates are not an issue.
 
Frog on with Oz now:


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Frog had three good non-WC days but then jumps right back in to give them oxygen instead of moving on? Now he's on with Oz stirring it all up again. It looks like he's decided they MUST have this drama to drive clicks.

I take a day and holy shit. Gentlemen and ladies, this is good shit. Hey, apparently Frog is saying a woman from the farms is rocking WC. Oh, and Frog calls Pan a faggot. Is, like, Cyberfrog homophobic?

Okay, last time, but Oz's chat is dumb. Frog is very unlikable under the best of circumstances. He's smarter than Pan, not a high bar. Oz is helping him if anything by letting multiple WC gang up. Makes him look like the underdog.
 
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Frog on with Oz now:


LIVE WITHOUT LIAM #4

This was a bizarre episode. The first hour and twenty minutes was Frog and Oz Art amiably discussing the 6+ hour marathon episode that was Live Without Liam #3, which Frog actually watched all of and its subject, Testefy-HD and the various topics the show branched into, including Oz's Sketch videos, laughing at the inanity of dealing with CG sophists Dark Gift Comics and Smilingbandito and Liam's meltdown. Frog bemoans the difficulty of having a conversation with Testefy because he is "so hostile... and aggravating... and stupid...". He goes on to state his reason for being on the show was to address what WC members were saying about him when they thought he wouldn't see them. Apparently Frog asked CGYakuza, a twitter account commonly considered by all factions to be Frog's alt, in DMs if they were Mister Dongs. It turns out that no, Yakuza is a different Kiwi. "Mike Oxmaul" also shows up but didn't have a good set ready and kind of bombs it.

Things get interesting at around 1 hour 20 when Panboy shows up, completely assravaged by @Smug Freiza's depredations, demanding that Frog's "kiwi bois better not plan on memeing my dead sister" or there will be vague, unspecified trouble. At first it would be easy to dismiss as a clearly disingenuous false equivalency to make point that "asking Pan as a leader to police members of Warcampaign is just as unreasonable as asking Frog to police Kiwis from memeing Mat Hanson and his family", but Pan's anger is clearly genuine. My working theory is that there's some workshop in the WC discord where the most retarded arguments humanly imaginable are being developed and Panboy is swallowing this cargo cult sophistry as absolutely sincere.

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Met with this, Frog goes apoplectic with rage and, paraphrasing, calls Panboy a weak child who didn't have it in him to step up when his internet gang was targeting a young girl for her sister's death when he personally knew of the pain Anna was going through. Panboy in response calls him a fat pussy who is clearly mad, but is met with a rejoinder of "shut the fuck up you fucking faggot". A lot of screaming ensues until a self-described "normie" who clicked Frog's twitter link to the show joined the streamyard enters and takes it upon himself to start mediating the show. Oz goes along with this out of amusement.

Frog starts to explain that despite WC claims that he is a "kiwi sperg", the posters of kiwi farms don't obey his orders. Panboy argues that within one day of Frog saying "try it and see how it goes" to Pan, Smug Frieza posted his dox and thus there was clearly a link between the two. The parallels between this and Panboy's argument that Cecil was a liar because he made the connection between his being doxed within 12 hours of Ro Kabir's infamous "Cororo" bit are too close to be coincidence. Maybe the idea was to try and bait Frog into calling him a liar so he could say "but what about Cecil?". In any case, it doesn't go anywhere.
 
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You can't believe a word Donal says.
 

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Liam directly responded to your post, quoting it verbatim.

Key points:
*Liam claims that superchat money is funding the development of the game, not the funds from Xenotype.
*The funds for Xenotype are in his bank account and haven't been misused, he's gained interest on it since.
*There is no Cridious situation.
*Liam does plan on overprinting Xenotype and he gets a better shipping and printing rate with higher numbers.
*Liam has not shown a proof copy because he doesn't have it yet. He does have sample pages and has showcased them previously.
*Liam claims there have been hundreds of messages from @CapeKnight trying to create beef with him and name drops kiwifarms.
*Liam states that the AUD is trading high atm, currency exchange rates are not an issue.

I'll have to give this a watch, but Liam is not a stranger to quoting me verbatim. When I threw him a bone that he's written the most in terms of page counts, his next livestream instantly quoted that. I've spotted many times that he has a habit of lurking here for content, and this seems to be the case here. You can't quit being a dramawhore Liam.

Hey Liam, you suck at YouTubing without going into IBS and using a TUG-level hyperbolic statement that "he writes hundreds of messages trying to create beef" is easily debunkable if you look at my posting history. I shit on Ethan more than you. Oh, and I don't care about any beef with you. I'm not the faggot on YouTube trying to monetize on it. I know you don't understand that because you have an inflated sense of self-importance, but I think I may have shat on JDA more than you when he tweets at me on his Twitter. Why are comicbook faggots so stuck on elevating themselves in some false sense of authority?

Imagine being so assmad at an anonymous poster putting out a theory. God, I wish MauLer was this stupid to do the same. I was always wishing MauLer would read his KF thread on a livestream. Instead, I get an autistic orange.
 
And the usual people came out of woodworks:
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Kate, at 19 you are a comsenting adult. There's no grooming involved...

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So... a nice guy that wants you to like him?

I'm honestly curious. As far as I know, grooming is referred to literal children who don't know what is sex to make them think it's normal. How the fuck telling a 16 yo, that you wish they were older, so you could date them, is grooming. Is it it weird that a 30 yo guy would want to date a 16 yo just based on vast difference of development, sure. But a 16 yo is not an innocent flower and they should at this point know what's normal. I can't wrap my head around how Americans think of people below 21 as children (where I am age of consent is *15* and we still have lover ratio of teenage pregnancies by a magnitude than US and we are 2nd world country) and treat them as such it's super prevalent at reddit in all the AMITA and JustNOs. Pedos go for prepubescent, but Americans managed to mentally shift it to any minor, even the 17yo. So I'm very sceptical about this one, tbh.

I'm honestly fascinated bu the shifting responsibility to take care of oneself.

ETA:
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ETA ETA:
This is exactly why I don't take her seriously:
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She thinks this is grooming...
 
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"I've never said that any one person is 'evil' ."

"It's not people it's behavior that I find to be reprehensible." - Ethan Van Sciver

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Also Ethan Van Sciver.
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Typical EVS.

SJWs aren't "people."


Thank you! Thank you!

I take a day and holy shit. Gentlemen and ladies, this is good shit. Hey, apparently Frog is saying a woman from the farms is rocking WC. Oh, and Frog calls Pan a faggot. Is, like, Cyberfrog homophobic?

Okay, last time, but Oz's chat is dumb. Frog is very unlikable under the best of circumstances. He's smarter than Pan, not a high bar. Oz is helping him if anything by letting multiple WC gang up. Makes him look like the underdog.

I'm quite lovable, and always the underdog.
 
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I finished watching the recent trainwreck stream between Ethan and Pan hosted on Oz Arts channel, I felt I'd try and dissect it for kiwi's who cbf watching 3hrs of grown men acting autistic on the internet. I'll spoiler it all below since there will be a collection of timestamp URLs, clips and screenshots of the chat.
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The first forty minutes is pretty boring until the around the 47 minute mark where Oz brings up the possibility of Ethan using alt accounts, which he responds to.

Ethan admits to owning one alt, in his name and denies being the account known as "CG Yakuza Ronin", not to be confused with a more recent "Yakuza Truth Dragon" which appeared more recently. Though Ethan does follow both accounts, they could be the same person.
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Ethan admits that he DM'd the Yakuza Ronin account presuming it to be fellow kiwi @Mister Dongs however according to Ethan it is a different kiwi, who's a girl. :oops: Clip below:

















Ethan then goes on to deny he's involved with the "Despotellis" account, another potential alt based on past tweets I have collected and archived below:
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Despite those screenshots and archived tweets I should point out that the first tweet by this account was admitting that it was an Ethan VanSciver parody account, so I'll leave it to other farmers to make up their own minds.
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Below is a clip with Ethan talking about the Despotellis account:

















The next thing of interest is the entering of Mike Oxmaul to the stream around the 1hr and 3 minute mark, timestamp below:

Eventually Mike is booted for interrupting another guest (Leedle) however returns around the 1hr and 10 minute mark to discuss Ethan and Warcampaign. A clip below:

















Its about this time that one of the Warcampaign spergs begins to speculate on my identity, claiming I am in fact Mecha McCheese.
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Which is of course retarded, clearly I'm black Thomas Roilup, who is secretly an alt of @TheLaughingMan, who's being directed to dox Warcampaign at the behest of Ethan VanSciver.

(I'm not actually Thomas Roilup or black, just continuing a running gag from this thread.)

The next point of interest is when Panboy enters the stream after demanding a link from the chat, this occurs around the 1hr 22 minute mark.

Obviously all hell breaks loose and we see some hot takes and familiar faces in the chat.
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At some point Mike Oxmail bails and is replaced by known pearl clutcher Well Read User 1.

The high point of this stream is clearly when Pan calls Ethan a fat pussy and Ethan retorts by calling him a faggot, this occurs roughly at the 1:34:40 mark which I clipped below:

















At this point Testefy demands a link so he can defend the heterosexuality of his comrade Pan.
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Testefy joins the shitshow around the 1:39:20 mark which is timestamped below:
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EDIT2: Grammer, spelling and layout of the post.
 
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Continuing from above:
What then proceeds is a two v two between Ethan and Well Read User 1 versus Panboy and Testefy, while the chat goes insane. Sketch of course has his own theories about whats really going on behind the scenes and the reason for the divide.
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Interesting Testefy admits that Warcampaign used to do Ethan's dirtywork for him and there are skeletons in his closet, Pan also claims that Ethan gave WC it's marching orders, this starts around the 1:41:20 mark. A very long autistic, yet very interesting clip below:

















This encourages Mecha McCheese to begin dabbing in chat.
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Around this time @Mister Dongs begins having some fun with a Warcampaigner.
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Sketch making about as much sense as always.
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And ahem.. others...
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@Mister Dongs then enjoys a pleasant conversation with another user.
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While the farms finally gets some respect.
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During the chaos Oz is silent but active in chat.
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While Mecha continues to shitpost.
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The chat in general still continues to be divided over the CG/WC split. They debate everything from kiwifarm's opinions on Ethan, whether Ethan is lying, whether memes can be policed or whether Pan's recent tweets to Ethan regarding his deceased sister could be construed as a death threat.
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Eventually @Mister Dongs continues his pleasant conversation with the same user from before.
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Since the subject of kiwifarms is reoccurring theme, as the only representative readily available in chat, eventually there are calls for Dongs to be brought on.
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Its around this time another guest is brought on, some soft spoken normie faggot called Twitless, who attempts to deescalate the situation. He first is brought on around the 1:49:50 mark but remains silent during the bickering until a later time.
The chat continues to rage.
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Smartest comment of the night goes to...
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And continuing
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When yours truly is brought up... an autist... fml (:_(
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At which point @Mister Dongs throws a brother under a bus.
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Bruh...? :oops:

Before continuing his conversation again with the same user.
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The calls for Dongs to come on become more frequent, given his proximity to the farms.
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Around the 1:51:40 mark the conversation shifts to CG Jumpstart and Ethan's alleged poaching of Steve Dye, at which point he clarifies his version of events.

Vikki surprisingly comes to Ethan's defense over the doxing of Pan, I presume "lucious" was supposed to be "ludicrous"? @VIkkiVerse
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Otherwise the chat rages on.
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Until Sketch was possibly blocked?
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Nope Akikama is just retarded.
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Testefy then gets accused of being a liar by a troon who photoshops fake screens of people implying they are pedophiles.
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At some point Pan begins claiming that he's going to jail for Ethan, with the goal of anti-CG using his conviction as a weapon against @FROG, @Mister Dongs admits it's a good tactic.
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Turns out Mindy Wheeler is getting a Dynamite book?
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The discussion then again turns to Kiwifarms and the allegations by Pan that farmers will begin to meme his dead sister. Time stamp is around 1:58:20 mark
Pan nobody here is going to meme your dead sister no matter how much you wish we would so you can use it as a cudgel to beat Ethan with, drop these TUG tactics buddy.

The following clip involves Pan's alleged death threat tweet to Ethan, Ethans explanation of his reasons for coming to kiwifarms (using @Adamska quote of peacocking), while Pan calls @Mister Dongs a sperg who doesn't know the history of CG. This is around the 2:00:00 mark, but I've clipped it below for your viewing pleasure:

















We then see some more crazy theories from Reinoe.
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@VIkkiVerse still enjoying herself.
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And more autistic screeching.
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Our next point of interest is when Pan tells Ethan he is "going to jail for him" and anti-CG is celebrating. Its at the 2:22:50 mark below:

Then at 2:30:25 when Well Read User 1 starts arguing with Pan and comparing WC to SJWs.

Around the 2:39:00 mark Oz Arts appears to kick both Pan and Well Read User 1 and talks to Ethan and complete nobody Twitless. Oz Arts mentions that Twitless will be a guest on the next stream... why is beyond me.

The final point of interest is Oz Arts reveals he is still in contact with Ms Roulette (Preston's ex-wife) and shows some DMs which indicate she wishes to be a guest on an upcoming stream. This occurs around the 2:57:02 mark:
And that is the final point of interest and the stream ends soon after.
And that is my breakdown of the 3hr shitshow stream. Apologies for the double post, it was a little ambitious of me to assume that so much media and attachments would fit the first time. It took several hours for me to clip, timestamp, screenshot and archive all the relevant data. For any kiwi's who couldn't be bothered watching the stream, hopefully this gives you an idea of what you missed.

EDIT: Had to reattach all the attachments that I lost during the initial post since they were dead links.
EDIT2: Grammar, spelling and layout of the post.
 
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Continuing from above:
What then proceeds is a two v two between Ethan and Well Read User 1 versus Panboy and Testefy, while the chat goes insane. Sketch of course has his own theories about whats really going on behind the scenes and the reason for the divide.
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Interesting Testefy admits that Warcampaign used to do Ethan's dirtywork for him and there are skeletons in his closet, Pan also claims that Ethan gave WC it's marching orders, this starts around the 1:41:20 mark. A very long autistic, yet very interesting clip below:
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This encourages Mecha McCheese to begin dabbing in chat.
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Around this time @Mister Dongs begins having some fun with a Warcampaigner.
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Sketch making about as much sense as always.
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And ahem.. others...
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@Mister Dongs then enjoys a pleasant conversation with another user.
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While the farms finally gets some respect.
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During the chaos Oz is silent but active in chat.
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While Mecha continues to shitpost.
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The chat in general still continues to be divided over the CG/WC split. They debate everything from kiwifarm's opinions on Ethan, whether Ethan is lying, whether memes can be policed or whether Pan's recent tweets to Ethan regarding his deceased sister could be construed as a death threat.
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Eventually @Mister Dongs continues his pleasant conversation with the same user from before.
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Since the subject of kiwifarms is reoccurring theme, as the only representative readily available in chat, eventually there are calls for Dongs to be brought on.
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Its around this time another guest is brought on, some soft spoken normie faggot called Twitless, who attempts to deescalate the situation. He first is brought on around the 1:49:50 mark but remains silent during the bickering until a later time.
The chat continues to rage.
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Smartest comment of the night goes to...
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And continuing
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When yours truly is brought up... an autist... fml (:_(
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At which point @Mister Dongs Dongs throws a brother under a bus.
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Bruh...? :oops:
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The calls for Dongs to come on become more frequent, given his proximity to the farms.
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Around the 1:51:40 mark the conversation shifts to CG Jumpstart and Ethan's alleged poaching of Steve Dye, at which point he clarifies his version of events.
Vikki surprisingly comes to Ethan's defense over the doxing of Pan, I presume "lucious" was supposed to be "ludicrous"? @VIkkiVerse
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Otherwise the chat rages on.
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Until Sketch was possibly blocked?
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Nope Akikama is just retarded.
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Testefy then gets accused of being a liar by a troon who photoshops fake screens of people implying they are pedophiles.
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At some point Pan begins claiming that he's going to jail for Ethan, with the goal of anti-CG using his conviction as a weapon against @FROG, @Mister Dongs admits it's a good tactic.
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Turns out Mindy Wheeler is getting a Dynamite book?
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The discussion then again turns to Kiwifarms and the allegations by Pan that farmers will begin to meme his dead sister. Time stamp is around 1:58:20 mark
Pan nobody here is going to meme your dead sister no matter how much you wish we would so you can use it as a cudgel to beat Ethan with, drop these TUG tactics buddy.

The following clip involves Pan's alleged death threat tweet to Ethan, Ethans explanation of his reasons for coming to kiwifarms (using @Adamska quote of peacocking), while Pan calls @Mister Dongs a sperg who doesn't know the history of CG. This is around the 2:00:00 mark, but I've clipped it below for your viewing pleasure:
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We then see some more crazy theories from Reinoe.
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@VIkkiVerse still enjoying herself.
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And more autistic screeching.
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Our next point of interest is when Pan tells Ethan he is "going to jail for him" and anti-CG is celebrating. Its at the 2:22:50 mark below:

Then at 2:30:25 when Well Read User 1 starts arguing with Pan and comparing WC to SJWs.

Around the 2:39:00 mark Oz Arts appears to kick both Pan and Well Read User 1 and talks to Ethan and complete nobody Twitless. Oz Arts mentions that Twitless will be a guest on the next stream... why is beyond me.

The final point of interest is Oz Arts reveals he is still in contact with Ms Roulette (Preston's ex-wife) and shows some DMs which indicate she wishes to be a guest on an upcoming stream. This occurs around the 2:57:02 mark:
And that is the final point of interest and the stream ends soon after.
And that is my breakdown of the 3hr shitshow stream. Apologies for the double post, it was a little ambitious of me to assume that so much media and attachments would fit in one post. It took several hours for me to clip, timestamp, screenshot and archive all the relevant data. For any kiwi's who couldn't be bothered watching the stream, hopefully this gives you an idea of what you missed.

EDIT: Had to reattach all the attachments that I lost during the initial post since they were dead links.
Frog livestreaming right now about the grooming story he found here:

 

Plot thickens.
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No idea who this thot is tho, but I'm kinda curious in her self-preservation pllicy of deleting tweets.
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How is that the ones that think they were slighted by offers of sex, are usually sex work adjacent. How that even makes sense?

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Her merch:
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So exactly what I'd expect.
 
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ComicsGate six months ago was a party where you could laugh at (and sometimes with) the silly drunks at 11 PM.

ComicsGate today is that same party except at 3 AM where the drunks are staggering around slurring belligerent threats incoherently, vomiting and peeing themselves.

Not really clear to me what the next step is from here. 🤔
 
Plot thickens.
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How is that the ones that think they were slighted by offers of sex, are usually sex work adjacent. How that even makes sense?
A sex worker complaining that she was flirted with at 19? Jesus. This is where we're at.
 
Who cares about the grooming story? It's a nothing burger story. Ethan's girly meltdown and Testefy and Pan admitting they did dirty things for EVS is where it's at baby!
 
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