#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Dong-Liquor]

As a bounded set - Comic Fans and Comic Books are not generally a large enough set to have broad cultural or political impact.
As a subset of that set CG isn't large.
Arguing with CG fans isn't a path to commercial success, if that is your primary goal.
The market that desires ANTI-CG content video is maybe 300-500 people - that is a micro niche inside a micro niche.
Time spent arguing with fans is time NOT spent on selling books, growing audience, entertaining, or producing a new product.
Have a goal, adjust that goal as you get new information, and always make sure your behavior supports that goal.

This is something I realized a while back while giving the Ethan Derangement Syndrome crowd a chance to make the case for their comics to me. There is not enough of an audience to expect to be able to make a living off of with your own product, especially when your livestreams and livestream appearances (done to promote your work) have a significant amount of time denigrating someone who has no connection to your product. I find Ethan entertaining but I don't like everything he says or does and nothing he does warrants the deranged anti-fan rhetoric I was seeing in these videos. It turned me away from giving them any money for their comics.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

This is something I realized a while back while giving the Ethan Derangement Syndrome crowd a chance to make the case for their comics to me. There is not enough of an audience to expect to be able to make a living off of with your own product, especially when your livestreams and livestream appearances (done to promote your work) have a significant amount of time denigrating someone who has no connection to your product. I find Ethan entertaining but I don't like everything he says or does and nothing he does warrants the deranged anti-fan rhetoric I was seeing in these videos. It turned me away from giving them any money for their comics.

Ethan's show is about a superhero. Not Cyberfrog. Ethan.

Superheros can't exist without villains to fight.

 

[Newman's Own]

I bought a digital copy of Narwal's first book, Earthbound.

The art was actually the best thing about it. The good thing about his art is that the figures have a sense of motion to them that more realistic or detailed artists often have trouble with. His page layouts are mostly competent for an amateur and his specific animation inspired style, while rough and lacking necessary detail, is at least clear and easy to grasp. His action sequences have a decent flow.

To bad the rest of his his story telling sucks. Narwal seems to be trying to story board a movie or something. Unfortunately the reader isn't privy to whatever story he's trying to tell. If he isn't doing an action sequence he can't seem to get his point across. The story becomes confused. Every character is a mystery but not in a good way. And whatever story he's assuming the reader is following along with is almost impenetrable without serious effort and why would they put in the effort when the characters are so poorly realised?

He gives me the impression of a sketchy story board artist who's decided to do comics without realizing there is a subtle difference between story boarding and funny books. Story boarding is a small cog in the machine of a movie or a TV show. A comic book has to do ALL the heavy lifting the actors, directors, producers and editors do on film.

I'd give Earthbound a 3/10. It was a mess that assumed the reader was inside the authors head knowing what he meant to convey or assuming that the reader would be invested enough without being given a reason to bother trying to sort out the mess for him.

All that said if Narwal had a writer/editor to keep him on track telling his story clearly he might have a decent niche indy effort worth buying. His art while rudimentary (it looks like thumbnails for a comic resized to a full page) has some potential in that there's kinetic energy to the action and the cartoonish figures mostly work despite a lack of rendering in color and line.

But $25 dollars for this?

No.

Narwal needs to read some Scott McCloud (most of CG needs to) and start filling in the holes in his story telling and art. Maybe someday...

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Biatch!

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David Finch continues to gain around 5,000 subscribers per week for his unaffiliated weekly comics channel

Bad timing, Jonny.

You went full Liam. Never go full Liam.

You are awesome Jon. Maybe you can get Nasser to play Oz to your Liam and you can copy his IBS show idea. We'd all toon in for more of your Liam Gray impersonation. There's been a shortage of CG cringe since Liam decided his blood sports were to hot for CG.

I don't know if it's because I'm just noticing it more, but it's like a certain dysfunctional personality type is crystallizing around comicsgate, with Liam as the ur-example. Sure, sure, he left, but I can see him coming back after a while, like Jon or Nasser or Sketch. Just because comicsgate is the banner the fragile egotist loonies gather under.

Arguing with CG fans isn't a path to commercial success, if that is your primary goal.
The market that desires ANTI-CG content video is maybe 300-500 people - that is a micro niche inside a micro niche.
Time spent arguing with fans is time NOT spent on selling books, growing audience, entertaining, or producing a new product.

Don't care anymore.

and

In CG, and around it, arguing is the product, and the entertainment.

With that being said, however, Zack’s new project with Narwhal still looks baaaaaaaaad.

It's like out Of This World meets MSpaint.

 

[Rupin]

I bought a digital copy of Narwal's first book, Earthbound.

The art was actually the best thing about it. The good thing about his art is that the figures have a sense of motion to them that more realistic or detailed artists often have trouble with. His page layouts are mostly competent for an amateur and his specific animation inspired style, while rough and lacking necessary detail, is at least clear and easy to grasp. His action sequences have a decent flow.

To bad the rest of his his story telling sucks. Narwal seems to be trying to story board a movie or something. Unfortunately the reader isn't privy to whatever story he's trying to tell. If he isn't doing an action sequence he can't seem to get his point across. The story becomes confused. Every character is a mystery but not in a good way. And whatever story he's assuming the reader is following along with is almost impenetrable without serious effort and why would they put in the effort when the characters are so poorly realised?

He gives me the impression of a sketchy story board artist who's decided to do comics without realizing there is a subtle difference between story boarding and funny books. Story boarding is a small cog in the machine of a movie or a TV show. A comic book has to do ALL the heavy lifting the actors, directors, producers and editors do on film.

I'd give Earthbound a 3/10. It was a mess that assumed the reader was inside the authors head knowing what he meant to convey or assuming that the reader would be invested enough without being given a reason to bother trying to sort out the mess for him.

All that said if Narwal had a writer/editor to keep him on track telling his story clearly he might have a decent niche indy effort worth buying. His art while rudimentary (it looks like thumbnails for a comic resized to a full page) has some potential in that there's kinetic energy to the action and the cartoonish figures mostly work despite a lack of rendering in color and line.

But $25 dollars for this?

No.

Narwal needs to read some Scott McCloud (most of CG needs to) and start filling in the holes in his story telling and art. Maybe someday...

I actually agree with you on Earthbound. For the most part I enjoyed the book and the story he was trying to tell. But the thing is, I couldn't get through it all in one sitting and found the time jumps quite jarring. While the art is subjective, you either like it or you don't, he really could use some pointers on his writing. The story was a lot more confusing than it had to be.

 

[GranDuke]

If I didn’t know any better at this point, I’d almost say that Zack is making worse and worse campaigns just to see how Frog handles them.

Maybe he is writing some doctoral thesis on how much shit superfans can take before breaking?

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

In before "not my blog":

CG actually was a good prep for politics, and politics gave some insights in retrospect for CG.
Political Parties have a formal structure and some procedure but a lot of the action is at the grassroots level.

I'm primarily focused on local politics and that involves a lot of in-person activity, and in the streets action - it's a different dynamic than solely online networking.
With that said when I left the White House on the night of Trump's acceptance speech - we stepped out into a Black Lives Matter protest. Slap fights on twitter are nothing.

You are growing your brand and audience or you are losing it - nothing is static.
Find ways to reach associated markets - no one is going to agree with you 100% if you are lucky you get 65% run with it.
Every social movement, every human endeavor has difficult people and challenging personalities - accommodate as much difference as you can that doesn't compromise the core principles, not every person needs a spotlight - not every question deserves an answer.

People will get stuck in minutia or harbor grudges FOREVER, I'm slow to offend anyone (and quick to apologize) to anyone nominally aligned with our purpose or anyone who can be persuaded to align with our purpose.

All media is relatively miserable.

Know your market - In Hawaii we have approximately 200,000 Republican voters we have to grow that by another 50,000 - 75,000 people.
It may actually be easier to register a new Republican than to create a new comic book fan.
Crowdfunded comic books buyers are a small market.
Doing pop culture videos is probably the easiest way to grow that market.
Directly marketing via youtube has limited value - you have to entertain and then associate the comic book with fun.

As a bounded set - Comic Fans and Comic Books are not generally a large enough set to have broad cultural or political impact.
As a subset of that set CG isn't large.
Arguing with CG fans isn't a path to commercial success, if that is your primary goal.
The market that desires ANTI-CG content video is maybe 300-500 people - that is a micro niche inside a micro niche.
Time spent arguing with fans is time NOT spent on selling books, growing audience, entertaining, or producing a new product.
Have a goal, adjust that goal as you get new information, and always make sure your behavior supports that goal.

There are factions in every organization, every movement, any activity with more than 2 people will produce a faction.

Not every venue is ideal for your particular personality or principles.

Lawyers are expensive and courts are fickle, lawsuits are often mind numbingly slow.
We have several lawyers that work with the Party just in Hawaii - we are slow to roll them out because the return is often much less than the cost.

As a representative for the Party I expect that our candidates, our Party, or even I personally will get smeared on a daily basis.
Not all of it is worth countering - our egos can temporarily create a false urgency to respond, it is generally better to act than to react though.

You can't always win but you can make it too costly for people to want to fight with you.

Wrapping back around it looks like people are being cool, skins are thicker than they were before, and folks are focusing on their primary goals.
That is probably temporarily bad for producing "lolcow content", but Comic Book fans have have proven time after time that there is ALWAYS
someone ready to step up and do some cringe.

Great post, Edwin! This is quality analysis and I agree 100%.

 

[FROG]

Just made the free CYBERFROG trading card binder! All of the promo cards I offer are now even more collectible. Get them all and display them in this binder, which every WARTS AND ALL backer will receive free with their hardcover omnibus!

I love making stuff.

 

[The Holmes]

Also, early CG exile Mike Wheeler has partnered for his wife for his debut as a comic book writer, something which regrettably escaped my notice until now.



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I was going to post sooner. But while attempting to get caught up, Dongs posted this shit and my brain collapsed in on itself as I tried to figure out why the fuck anyone thought this was a good idea. Maybe I'll be wrong and it'll be some of the funniest shit ever. But the smell of autism was too much for me. I have the most sincere doubts. It's k though guys, I'm alright. Probably.

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Just made the free CYBERFROG trading card binder! All of the promo cards I offer are now even more collectible. Get them all and display them in this binder, which every WARTS AND ALL backer will receive free with their hardcover omnibus!

I love making stuff.

Those look good, Ethan! But we need to stay on the important topics, k thx. Like you admitting that you gave Sketch a wrench on your channel strictly for the lulz and to see how it would play out. I'm not coming at you for it, that's some kind of top tier troll shit I would do. Because we all know Sketch wouldn't disappoint, and the ban hammering rampage he went on stirred up some funny shit.

It's okay now though guys, I saw Sheila Allen say she was going to reverse Sketch's damage and clean up the mess. I can only imagine how relieved everyone is, because if anyone is an expert at cleaning, it's a woman who's had to take more loads than a busy laundromat.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Maybe he is writing some doctoral thesis on how much shit superfans can take before breaking?

It turns out they have a specialized air-filled hollow in their heads that can bear and distribute more fecal load stresses than expected.

 

[Newman's Own]

Wow, and for 15 dollars extra I get this 20-pager thrown in too? Sweet.

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Aaahahaha but seriously, was Mandy Summers too busy to draw this?

So I don't think Narwal's art or what looks to be a fairly rote by numbers story looks that bad but I appear to be in the minority here. And I can't say the people who don't like it don't have a point. Narwal's art, to say the least, lacks polish and looks sloppy whether intentionally or not.

In the past I've heard @FROG heap praise on Narwal's work as 'unique and dynamic' IIRC. So I guess I'm wondering if Ethan's going to promote the less than impressive project of his good friends or is he going to follow the crowd and pan it.

Or maybe he'll pretend like he's unaware of the conversation and continue to regale us with fascinating info about the binder he decorated with old promo art.

What's the plan Ethan?

 

[FROG]

So I don't think Narwal's art or what looks to be a fairly rote by numbers story looks that bad but I appear to be in the minority here. And I can't say the people who don't like it don't have a point. Narwal's art, to say the least, lacks polish and looks sloppy whether intentionally or not.

In the past I've heard @FROG heap praise on Narwal's work as 'unique and dynamic' IIRC. So I guess I'm wondering if Ethan's going to promote the less than impressive project of his good friends or is he going to follow the crowd and pan it.

Or maybe he'll pretend like he's unaware of the conversation and continue to regale us with fascinating info about the binder he decorated with old promo art.

What's the plan Ethan?

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I'll promote the fuck out of this.

Everyone in ComicsGate knows about Narwhal, and he's had three successful projects already. This art style takes some getting used to, (yes, it looks simple and jagged) but it's alive and beautifully composed. Narwhal is a terrific storyteller. If you read one of his books, these images just seem animated.

I'm kind of surprised at the reaction here.

 

[KingofNothing]

I'll promote the fuck out of this.

Everyone in ComicsGate knows about Narwhal, and he's had three successful projects already. This art style takes some getting used to, (yes, it looks simple and jagged) but it's alive and beautifully composed. Narwhal is a terrific storyteller. If you read one of his books, these images just seem animated.

I'm kind of surprised at the reaction here.

You want me to pay 25 bucks plus shipping for this mess when I'm not even dropping that on you? No thanks. He has a good flow for action and that's about it. I need something a bit higher quality for that kind of cash

 

[Rupin]

I stopped messing with Zack when I saw the quality of paper he used for Ballad of No. The whole book felt like it was newspaper quality. Even the cover. And then the book was shipped in this weird shrink wrap instead of a plastic comic sleeve and backboard like everyone else uses. There’s no excuse for that kind of shit quality.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

With that being said, however, Zack’s new project with Narwhal still looks baaaaaaaaad.

I know they're irrelevant and a laughing stock now, but I wonder if RoRo & Co will have a conniption fit about the art, it would seem a bit hypocritical if they didn't..

 

[Newman's Own]

I'll promote the fuck out of this.

Everyone in ComicsGate knows about Narwhal, and he's had three successful projects already. This art style takes some getting used to, (yes, it looks simple and jagged) but it's alive and beautifully composed. Narwhal is a terrific storyteller. If you read one of his books, these images just seem animated.

I'm kind of surprised at the reaction here.

I did read one of his books. The art was fine. The story was confused and the characters were uncompelling. It was a hot mess and reading the one story was enough for me to decide I wouldn't be reading anything else he wrote.

I was a big fan of McFarlane's art when I was young. That dropped off sharply when he tried to write his own stuff. After the first couple issues of Spawn I quit buying until he brought on A-list guest writers.

Unlike McFarlane, Narwal's is art is an acquired taste at best. without good writing he's lost. It's a good thing for him you'll be there to get him his money. I hope he improves as a writer. It doesn't look promising this time around.

Maybe someday.

I know they're irrelevant and a laughing stock now, but I wonder if RoRo & Co will have a conniption fit about the art, it would seem a bit hypocritical if they didn't..

Narwal used to be tight with WC wasn't he?

I'm pretty sure they promoted his stuff in the past. They'd be hypocritical if they suddenly thought his work was shit now. Of course they are hypocrites though so who knows?

 

[Least Concern]

In before "not my blog":

CG actually was a good prep for politics, and politics gave some insights in retrospect for CG.
Political Parties have a formal structure and some procedure but a lot of the action is at the grassroots level.

I'm primarily focused on local politics and that involves a lot of in-person activity, and in the streets action - it's a different dynamic than solely online networking.
With that said when I left the White House on the night of Trump's acceptance speech - we stepped out into a Black Lives Matter protest. Slap fights on twitter are nothing.

You are growing your brand and audience or you are losing it - nothing is static.
Find ways to reach associated markets - no one is going to agree with you 100% if you are lucky you get 65% run with it.
Every social movement, every human endeavor has difficult people and challenging personalities - accommodate as much difference as you can that doesn't compromise the core principles, not every person needs a spotlight - not every question deserves an answer.

People will get stuck in minutia or harbor grudges FOREVER, I'm slow to offend anyone (and quick to apologize) to anyone nominally aligned with our purpose or anyone who can be persuaded to align with our purpose.

All media is relatively miserable.

Know your market - In Hawaii we have approximately 200,000 Republican voters we have to grow that by another 50,000 - 75,000 people.
It may actually be easier to register a new Republican than to create a new comic book fan.
Crowdfunded comic books buyers are a small market.
Doing pop culture videos is probably the easiest way to grow that market.
Directly marketing via youtube has limited value - you have to entertain and then associate the comic book with fun.

As a bounded set - Comic Fans and Comic Books are not generally a large enough set to have broad cultural or political impact.
As a subset of that set CG isn't large.
Arguing with CG fans isn't a path to commercial success, if that is your primary goal.
The market that desires ANTI-CG content video is maybe 300-500 people - that is a micro niche inside a micro niche.
Time spent arguing with fans is time NOT spent on selling books, growing audience, entertaining, or producing a new product.
Have a goal, adjust that goal as you get new information, and always make sure your behavior supports that goal.

There are factions in every organization, every movement, any activity with more than 2 people will produce a faction.

Not every venue is ideal for your particular personality or principles.

Lawyers are expensive and courts are fickle, lawsuits are often mind numbingly slow.
We have several lawyers that work with the Party just in Hawaii - we are slow to roll them out because the return is often much less than the cost.

As a representative for the Party I expect that our candidates, our Party, or even I personally will get smeared on a daily basis.
Not all of it is worth countering - our egos can temporarily create a false urgency to respond, it is generally better to act than to react though.

You can't always win but you can make it too costly for people to want to fight with you.

Wrapping back around it looks like people are being cool, skins are thicker than they were before, and folks are focusing on their primary goals.
That is probably temporarily bad for producing "lolcow content", but Comic Book fans have have proven time after time that there is ALWAYS
someone ready to step up and do some cringe.

Can't help but hear your voice in my head while reading this.

Okay, I totally 100% understand that trying to create a longer-form graphic novel can cost far more than a regular comic issue, so it’s usually expected that it’s not going to be the same kind of visual quality as a shorter-form endeavor.

With that being said, however, Zack’s new project with Narwhal still looks baaaaaaaaad.

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What the fuck? The characters are one thing and I can see how maybe you could pull the "artistic license" card there, but how the hell can Meyer put his name on a project with Babby's First SketchUp backgrounds like that and not be a hypocrite? Good Lord, he's going to be roasted for this and he'll deserve every bit of it. Can't wait to hear his justifications.

 

[Smug Freiza]

An interesting piece of closure on a two year old Comicsgate cold case was recently revealed by Ro Kabir of all people via a tweet with four screenshots.

https://archive.is/13q4z

The screenshots themselves, I submit to the kiwi court for evidence.

The only two screenshots that are of interest are the first and last. The first being a twitter DM between @FROG and Gat Hanzo from May this year. In the conversation Ethan tells Gat that it's hard listening to Jon Malin tell Ethan that Ro is betraying him, when according to Doug Ernst Jon Malin was the one who released the "faggots" comment about Antarctic Press.

For a history lesson for lurkers and newfags the "faggots" comment was a leaked screenshot from Ethan's private DM's during 2018 and will be re-submitted below.

The screenshot was one of many that was leaked onto kiwifarms by former fellow kiwi @LateNightComics (may he rest in peace) provided by Tim Lim during the Comicsgate holocaust event that has colloquially been dubbed "The Black Glove Incident." I had previously re-told the Tale of the Black Glove in a post several months ago here and included all the leaked DMs and quotes of relevant kiwi's in this thread during 2018 if anyone needs a refresher. The short story is LateNightComics was posting private DMs of prominent Comicsgaters and posting them in the thread on behalf of someone else, who best girl Emspex discovered was none other than Tim Lim. During that time is was assumed Tim or Jon Del Arroz/@TheCosmicWarrior was responsible for spreading the screenshots, however according to this latest DM of Ro's it would appear that Ethan believes Jon Malin was actually reponsible, according to Doug Ernst.

Whether or not Doug Ernst is correct or just told Ethan this to protect his close friend and Soul Finder artist, remains to be seen. Doug Ernst however doesn't have a history of lying and from all accounts seems to be a genuine dude and a straight shooter, so perhaps he is correct.

The second screenshot of interest is the last one Ro posted which is of a folder of screenshots with some 6,275 items. Ever since the failed coup d'état attempt on Comicsgate known as "The Peasants Revolt", several prominent Warcampaigner's have been hinting that they are prepared to drop DMs of damning information which have so far failed to materialize which led to most to believing they were simply full of shit. While not all of the 6,275 items in Ro Kabir's folder have been confirmed as DMs, as evidenced by the first screenshot it's safe to assume that some most definitely are.

As for the information itself revealed today, it is hardly juicy or scandalous. The Black Glove Incident has largely been forgotten by those whom lack the autism to commit it to memory and the case thought closed years ago. The release of this DM paradoxically raises more questions than it answers.

1. Was Doug Ernst deceiving Ethan when he claimed Jon Malin was responsible for spreading the initial leaks?
2. Did Jon Malin in fact provide these screenshots to Tim and/or Jon Del Arroz, when it was previously theorized they were in the groups themselves?
3. In a folder of 6,275 items does Ro Kabir actually have anything of substance, or is it all weak sauce garbage that nobody cares about in CG 2020?

I suggest all kiwi's in the thread keep an eye out for updates and possibly more drops in future.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

I'll promote the fuck out of this.

Everyone in ComicsGate knows about Narwhal, and he's had three successful projects already. This art style takes some getting used to, (yes, it looks simple and jagged) but it's alive and beautifully composed. Narwhal is a terrific storyteller. If you read one of his books, these images just seem animated.

I'm kind of surprised at the reaction here.

There's a few folk here who just shit on everything for the sake of it.

An interesting piece of closure on a two year old Comicsgate cold case was recently revealed from Ro Kabir of all people via a tweet with four screenshots.
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https://archive.md/13q4z

The screenshots themselves, I submit to the kiwi court for evidence.
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The only two screenshots that are of interest are the first and last. The first being a twitter DM between @FROG and Gat Hanzo from May this year. In the conversation Ethan tells Gat that it's hard listening to Jon Malin tell Ethan that Ro is betraying him, when according to Doug Ernst Jon Malin was the one who released the "faggots" comment about Antarctic Press.

For a history lesson for lurkers and newfags the "faggots" comment was a leaked screenshot from Ethan's private DM's during 2018 and will be re-submitted below.
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The screenshot was one of many that was leaked onto kiwifarms by former fellow kiwi @LateNightComics (may he rest in peace) provided by Tim Lim during the Comicsgate holocaust event that has colloquially been dubbed "The Black Glove Incident." I had previously re-told the Tale of the Black Glove in a post several months ago here and included all the leaked DMs and quotes of relevant kiwi's in this thread during 2018 if anyone needs a refresher. The short story is LateNightComics was posting private DMs of prominent Comicsgaters and posting them in the thread on behalf of someone else, who best girl Emspex discovered was none other than Tim Lim. During that time is was assumed Tim or Jon Del Arroz/@TheCosmicWarrior was responsible for spreading the screenshots, however according to this latest DM of Ro's it would appear that Ethan believes Jon Malin was actually reponsible, according to Doug Ernst.

Whether or not Doug Ernst is correct or just told Ethan this to protect his close friend and Soul Finder artist, remains to be seen. Doug Ernst however doesn't have a history of lying and from all accounts seems to be a genuine dude and a straight shooter, so perhaps he is correct.

The second screenshot of interest is the last one Ro posted which is of a folder of screenshots with some 6,275 items. Ever since the failed coup d'état attempt on Comicsgate known as "The Peasants Revolt", several prominent Warcampaigner's have been hinting that they are prepared to drop DMs of damning information which have so far failed to materialize which led to most to believing they were simply full of shit. While not all of the 6,275 items in Ro Kabir's folder have been confirmed as DMs, as evidenced by the first screenshot it's safe to assume that some most definitely are.

As for the information itself revealed today, it is hardly juicy or scandalous. The Black Glove Incident has largely been forgotten by those whom lack the autism to commit it to memory and the case went cold years ago. The release of this DM paradoxically raises more questions than it answers.

1. Was Doug Ernst deceiving Ethan when he claimed Jon Malin was responsible for spreading the initial leaks?
2. Did Jon Malin in fact provide these screenshots to Tim and/or Jon Del Arroz, when it was previously theorized they were in the groups themselves?
3. In a folder of 6,275 items does Ro Kabir actually have anything of substance, or is it all weak sauce garbage that nobody cares about in CG 2020?

I suggest all kiwi's in the thread keep an eye out for updates and possibly more drops in future.

I never was involved in spreading screen shots. This is gayops to the next level. I say nothing in private that I don't say in public. That's why I'm in zero DM groups unlike a lot of these guys. I don't want any part of faggotry, and I also don't care about saying that cuz that's what it is.

 

[Newman's Own]

Interesting take on the Nasser/Donal/Ethan love triangle.

Not sure how Ethan was supposed to have "created" Donal's Nasser problem other than by talking about it when Donal fucking over Nasser came to light.

https://twitter.com/SuperAnt_ZA/status/1340035785081442310

Edit: On a side note it's interesting that ten pages of art in a back up story would cover Nasser's 50% stake in a 48 page $40000 crowd funder.

It would seem that work for hire pays a way better page rate than a successful crowd funder.