#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Pilule Noire]

In case anyone missed the Battle of the Thomases on Indiegogo right now, we have Thomas Valiant by RJ of The Fourth Age about to overtake Thomas Morya by Stefani Rennee at the $17,930 mark - Tom V is $100 away from beating Tom M.

You may remember Thomas Morya as the project that Mike S Miller held up as a CG project not getting the level of funding it meritoriously deserved, and Thomas Valiant as the one @Mister Dongs noted had an absolutely terrible trailer, which is entirely true and said trailer can be enjoyed/endured above.

What could be the reason for the numbers, well one very special thing about RJ/The Fourth Age is that none other than Sargon of Akkad is a fan of his and sends him a lot of fans. So could just be that the Sargon effect is stronger than the CG effect! Gasp! That's horrible news for @FROG to have to deal with.

Meanwhile, Clownfish TV have launched a hardcover of their webcomic to great success, hitting $25K in a matter of days.

Clownfish are kind of quasi-Fandom Menace, doing lots of videos critical of Disney management of the Star Wars IP, with a particular focus on theme parks which is one of their interests, along with web and now print comics.

Here is their long, but relatively interesting IGG video:

 

[Smug Freiza]

I have followed this thread since its inception, the quality took a deep dive for the past year or so with newcomers from "the industry", they should have been dealt with.
Posting a screenshot without achieving it? Wow.
This thread was about Comicsgate, at the beginning, the anti-CG side was documented but it is not anymore which is baffling, a war has always two sides.

The thread has changed and evolved with the times, in the early days it was documenting the true "anti-CG" which involved the pro's and their orbiters. It promoted the original critics like Zack, Perch, Capn Cummings, Doug Ernst etc, while introducing the newer personalities like Ethan, TUG and Yellowflash as they joined the fray. Since then a lot of the pro's have quieted down and the thread shifted to Comicsgate itself as they begun launching their own books and the various internal drama and conflicts which took place. The newer "anti-CG" was normally made up of ex-members and that was documented too.

If you want to focus more on the pro's and their ilk, by all means provide tweets and archives of their antics. @Carmina Burana does a great job keeping up with the pro's but most of us focus on Comicsgate itself as it evolved from a reactionary outrage hashtag movement into an organized network of creators and promoters. Occasionally we still talk about the mainstream like the Warren Ellis allegations and the recent firings at DC comics, but there's only so many times Mags or Dan Slott can insult the comic buying customer base before you just shrug and accept it as a normal occurrence.

 

[SuiSui1]

@The Holmes Pretty sure Furyan is Comics and nostalgia, trying to earn clout by promoting his channel as a "source". something a newbie would do.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

This is insane! Nice illustration by the way.



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Now he is doing a video on Camilla Zhang again based on one article

If the Bretweiser situation impacted all of Comicsgate then what this Meyer/Joe Glass situation will do.
I will let you do the talking.
The video starts at the right time.

(edited for the right time because you guys can't follow a straight line of thought)

Thumbnail your images, newfag.

 

[FROG]

You were talking about "jeopardizing the EWJ IP contract because of association with WC", not "best friends". We're on your third purely conjecture-based explanation of why Doug left Comicsgate now so I understand your confusion.

Hey, in the beginning I was willing to believe Doug's narrative of events and how things went down more than anyone. I genuinely wanted there to be a way for everyone to be on board and actually challenge the enforced hegemon of the mainstream. Cecil and WC's screeching of "homophobe" and "traitor" certainly helped things along as well.

But then Doug went and packed up and ditched everyone around him at the first whiff of success twice. For all the talk of "not wanting to be a youtuber", incorruptible moral code and "fighting the culture war together", in the end the only real difference between Doug and ThatUmbrellaGuy was opportunity. To quote Newman's Own, in defense of Doug, "helping to 'lift up' fellow artists is Ethan's brand", not Doug's. Oh well. I'd rather talk about something relevant to Comicsgate and related subjects in this thread instead of letting it continue to be derailed with debate over someone who produces MAGA clickbait for boomers.





What happened was that with COVID-19 shutting down most LCS stores and conventions, hype started building about this tipping the ailing mainstream comics industry into collapsing completely. However the prospect of victory only brought to the fore that there was no real consensus on what a "victorious Comicsgate" would even look like, sparking a period of deep introspection that people were not prepared for and began to fight openly among themselves. This was followed by and compounded on with the sudden implosion of the "anti-Comicsgate" faction; the self-styled figurehead Preston Poulter catching ablaze in a flurry of absurdly degrading pornography. However the defeat of the CG foil only resulted in intensifying the infighting as it was just one less thing for people to rally against. One would think so much autism and screeching spent to determine that a tiny fraction (2%) of the comics industry didn't actually need a self-appointed purity testing police force to drive off the undeserving after all, but here we are.

Comicsgate on the whole is slowly starting to move forward again. I might write a lot of words about the explosion of new creators and new campaigns (37 active crowdfunds at present) outpacing the growth of an increasingly jaded and weary customer base, but those are problems that are infinitely preferable to the opposite scenario where no new CG campaigns are being made. Does this mean reaching out to new audiences, platforms or markets instead of blindly conceding them to the Whisper Network's dominance? Possibly.

As for what happened to talking about the old anti-Comicsgate, that is to say the blue haired gatekeepers of comics twitter; discourse has lowered on that subject as a whole, not just on this thread.

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To hear it from Comicsgate "thought leaders" such as Simple Zack and Yellowflash as they pump out video after video, BRZRKR and Boom Studios are the new champions of bucking the SJW mainstream and gatekeepers. I for one have not seen anything suggesting mainstream publisher Boom Studios won't perpetuate the blacklists against creators and fans coordinated through the whisper network, it's very difficult to figure out what kind of "victory" Boom's success means beyond irritating nobodies like Stephanie Cooke and Joe Glass.

In my opinion, victory for ComicsGate is simply denying SJW elements of the mainstream, like Joe Glass or Stephanie Cooke or their ilk, the power to gatekeep Comics. We've done that, but there's still a ways to go. ComicsGate's ultimate victory is being able to traverse in and out of the mainstream if we want to, and to be sold at bookstores.

Cooke, Glass, De Campi, and the other talentless "nobodies" do hold a lot of power as influencers. People in comics are terrified of them, terrified of being canceled, excluded or gossiped about. They have ties to ferociously unscrupulous "journalists" in pop culture media, and even in the mainstream media, as we saw with the Miami Herald and the Washington Post. Mainstream comics creators will stay in line, and will continue to virtue signal and gatekeep, hoping they'll be spared this fate.

KickStarter was their begging post. It was their street corner. After all, as terrified as the mainstream seems to be of these SJWs, they aren't getting hired. They have no talent beyond their community organizing skills, and those skills don't lend themselves to getting along with other editors and creative people, or thinking outside of their own neurosis and egos to write or draw Tony Stark properly. They might get a short story or a miniseries at Marvel, DC or Image, but for those reasons, it doesn't last. They need Kickstarter to be their base of operations, from which horrific SJWs can fund unsellable, trashy comics, gain clout and populate the comic book industry with more SJW influencers who "make comics."

So what BOOM Studios and Keanu did, probably unwittingly, was gentrify their ghetto. They build a great big multiplex right in the middle of their community and started selling tickets hand over fist to interested patrons, rather than hipster passersby. Joe Glass, Stephanie Cooke and Zhang are outraged. They think BRZRKR and POWER RANGERS is going to change their neighborhood. So they're doing what unions do, or organized crime, and trying to extract protection money from BOOM Studios. "We'll let you operate as long as you fund our campaigns with a certain percentage of your earnings." Or Zhang's "Management" of Scott Snyder's Kickstarter. The corruption is as blatant as anything I've ever seen in comics.

The thing is, BOOM Studios is conceding to all of this. They're afraid of Camilla Zhang. This is definitely worth talking about.

Our talking heads on YouTube need to be laying this whole agenda out, plainly, every day for new listeners. It's repetitive for those of us who have been here for the past 4 or 5 years, but there's always going to be someone new who starts to recognize that something is wrong, and will go to YouTube looking for answers about why the comic book industry is behaving like this. Not talking about SJWs lets them operate without opposition. So I'm glad Zack and Yellow Flash yap about them every day.

 

[A nameless trool]

Cooke, Glass, De Campi, and the other talentless "nobodies" do hold a lot of power as influencers. People in comics are terrified of them, terrified of being canceled, excluded or gossiped about. They have ties to ferociously unscrupulous "journalists" in pop culture media, and even in the mainstream media, as we saw with the Miami Herald and the Washington Post. Mainstream comics creators will stay in line, and will continue to virtue signal and gatekeep, hoping they'll be spared this fate.

KickStarter was their begging post. It was their street corner. After all, as terrified as the mainstream seems to be of these SJWs, they aren't getting hired. They have no talent beyond their community organizing skills, and those skills don't lend themselves to getting along with other editors and creative people, or thinking outside of their own neurosis and egos to write or draw Tony Stark properly. They might get a short story or a miniseries at Marvel, DC or Image, but for those reasons, it doesn't last. They need Kickstarter to be their base of operations, from which horrific SJWs can fund unsellable, trashy comics, gain clout and populate the comic book industry with more SJW influencers who "make comics."

So what BOOM Studios and Keanu did, probably unwittingly, was gentrify their ghetto. They build a great big multiplex right in the middle of their community and started selling tickets hand over fist to interested patrons, rather than hipster passersby. Joe Glass, Stephanie Cooke and Zhang are outraged.

So, those SJWs will be the KSGate?

 

[FROG]

So, those SJWs will be the KSGate?

It's all just ComicsGate.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

The thing is, BOOM Studios is conceding to all of this. They're afraid of Camilla Zhang. This is definitely worth talking about.

I haven’t seen them “concede” at all unless you count that “gives back” stunt that was largely scattershot and did not help established SJW creators in any way, only targeting 100 completely random first-time creator campaigns. Sure, it caught some SJ-adjacent campaigns, yet it also caught a fair few poorly run campaigns with no chance of funding that any sort of “protection racket” sort of curation would have wanted gone immediately, and just served as money right back into Boom’s pockets.

 

[FROG]

I haven’t seen them “concede” at all unless you count that “gives back” stunt that was largely scattershot and did not help established SJW creators in any way, only targeting 100 completely random first-time creator campaigns. Sure, it caught some SJ-adjacent campaigns, yet it also caught a fair few poorly run campaigns with no chance of funding that any sort of “protection racket” sort of curation would have wanted gone immediately, and just served as money right back into Boom’s pockets.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

A random blue-hair who doesn't work for, or represent KickStarter in any way, uses the comic book media to shame you for succeeding wildly on it's platform, and "recommends" that you "give back" to "the community" by way of $100 donations to other Kickstarter campaigns that have nothing to do with you or your business.

I'd tell zim/zir to fuck off.

BOOM Studios actually caved and did it.

That's real power being exercised in the form of subtle intimidation.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

A random blue-hair who doesn't work for, or represent KickStarter in any way, uses the comic book media to shame you for succeeding wildly on it's platform, and "recommends" that you "give back" to "the community" by way of $100 donations to other Kickstarter campaigns that have nothing to do with you or your business.

I'd tell zim/zir to fuck off.

BOOM Studios actually caved and did it.

That's real power being exercised in the form of subtle intimidation.

I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing, I’m saying that you really shouldn’t apply a weird protection-racket malice to what could easily be applied to… well, greed.

They gambled less than a single percent of their Kickstarter campaign revenue, got a bunch of good publicity, and didn’t even have to commit the full $10K because probably 10-20% of the campaigns would fail even with their $100.

Have they done even a single other thing that would imply that Boom is “under their control”? Because pissing them off even further with the MMPR one really does seem like… well, the exact opposite of that.

 

[FROG]

I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing, I’m saying that you really shouldn’t apply a weird protection-racket malice to what could easily be applied to… well, greed.

They gambled less than a single percent of their Kickstarter campaign revenue, got a bunch of good publicity, and didn’t even have to commit the full $10K because probably 10-20% of the campaigns would fail even with their $100.

Have they done even a single other thing that would imply that Boom is “under their control”? Because pissing them off even further with the MMPR one really does seem like… well, the exact opposite of that.

A few questions:

Do you believe the mafia operates out of "malice?"

Who was it that gave BOOM "good publicity" for the 1% of their $1.5Million distributed around to small SJW crowdfunders?

Why would they need to publicly demonstrate another act to prove that they are under the control of SJW influencers like Camilla Zhang? She asked, they jumped, right?

I agree with you that BOOM studios is going forward anyhow, still doing business and running that POWER RANGERS campaign, as they should. They aren't stopping. But they'll definitely pay the protection racket for that "good publicity".

 

[Crescent Fresh]

A few questions:

Do you believe the mafia operates out of "malice?"

Who was it that gave BOOM "good publicity" for the 1% of their $1.5Million distributed around to small SJW crowdfunders?

Why would they need to publicly demonstrate another act to prove that they are under the control of SJW influencers like Camilla Zhang? She asked, they jumped, right?

I agree with you that BOOM studios is going forward anyhow, still doing business and running that POWER RANGERS campaign, as they should. They aren't stopping. But they'll definitely pay the protection racket for that "good publicity".

1. I was invoking Hanlon’s razor there, rather than making a specific statement on the mafia or whatever. “Never attribute to malice what can be just as easily attributed to stupidity”.

2. Certainly not the SJWs that wanted Boom’s money, because it didn’t go to them. Boom genuinely gave money (or would have, both examples didn’t hit 100%) to campaigns like this and this, there wasn’t any curation towards SJ-anything. It’s a good marketing move even without the backlash.

Say, for example, a big-name CG creator decided to do this for every single running campaign currently in CG. By your standards, would that just be a waste of money because it was unneeded and had no direct benefit to them outside of good publicity?

3. That really doesn’t match up with your very next statement about them doing their own thing. If Zhang and her group have the power that you were literally just hyping them up to have, MMPR either shouldn’t have been crowdfunded at all, come with a more curated round of protection money that really does only go to approved SJW campaigns, or at the very least not come with the exact same kind of reaction because Boom is “one of the good ones now”. None of that happened. Zhang is either real, real fucking bad at this whole protection racket, or it… maybe doesn’t exist.

Hell, come to think of it, the only time that it could be claimed to be a thing just entirely backfired, when Zhang ragequit Snyder’s campaign.

 

[A nameless trool]

It's all just ComicsGate.

OK, SJWs will be thenew Comicsgate, got it.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Malin: [talking about an angry anti-CG chat commenter] See, he's not gonna back you, because these guys don't back. Anti-Comicsgate does not back projects.
Frog: They do not support their own community, that's why I'm sayin, just be Comicsgate. Because we do.

Lol at the frog and his minions trying to gaslight people about 'community'. Playing up the phony televangelist angle there. "Shun the eeevil of the anti-comicsgater, for they shall not pave your path to comics paradise with gold!" To be read in your best TUG voice. Alternatively, real nice attempt to inject good ol' all-american capitalism back into comics, forming a commune to prop up the workshy and doomed business ventures with other people's money.

I was going to ask Ethan why anti-CG should back the books of people they don't like, but I caught myself. He doesn't care what they do. It's just another grift to bind CGers i.e. the Credulous and the Gormless tighter to himself.

With respect to the Newmans, criticizing Doug does not invalidate the major issues with Ethan. What it does mean is the rot is deep and wide in this industry and contrary to being bastions of normal civilized behavior all we're getting is dodgeball in a barbed-wire octagon.

Well, quite. The more I look at this offshoot cOMmuNiTy, the more it looks like a handful of fragile egotists and the crowds of fragile autists they managed to pull into their orbit, fucking things up. It's everyone tangentially associated with comicsgate, even those splinter groups that are now in opposition to it.

But the one point that Dongs seems caught up on, "why doesn't Doug help smaller guys?" I can't think why it's so important. Did Doug say he would? Shit, I didn't even bother to read the entirety of the rants in the last couple of pages to find the answer, it's just so inconsequential Is it the worst thing he's reneged on? When we look at Ethan as the prime example of a comics crowdfunder promoter, and how it's generated all the cringe-inducing manlets who'd rather suckle on the teat than work to stand on their own two feet, the autistic infighting for favor and clout, the constant anxiety that Ethan Van Stalin might turn his face away as they're dragged to the ex-CG gulag, is it really such a great and admirable role to take upon yourself?

On the face of it, Doug failing to uplift other artists is just that: a failing. On the other hand, not propping up a bunch of mouth-breathing galaxy-brained non-artists might be one of the last remaining points in his favor.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

On the face of it, Doug failing to uplift other artists is just that: a failing. On the other hand, not propping up a bunch of mouth-breathing galaxy-brained non-artists might be one of the last remaining points in his favor.

Isn't that what you've spent 20,000 words criticizing Frog for the past couple days?

You're over-analyzing the whole thing. He's just trying to grow as big of an audience and potential customer base as possible without wasting any more time on those who will never be a part of it. It seems your biggest gripe is that he's been very successful at it against your wishes.

 

[FROG]

OK, SJWs will be thenew Comicsgate, got it.

The state of SJWs shitting all over the comic book industry while gatekeeping it is called "ComicsGate."

Also, the rebellion against that problem calls itself "ComicsGate."

 

[Furyan]

You are appearing more and more retarded the more I observe you post. It's bad enough you haven't figured out how to crop images, newfag. But I'm noticing a few problems with the shit you're posting. There's plenty of reasons to go at Ethan and a few others here, but of all the things, it's some random fag getting his comic book fulfilled and acting like it's some grave sin. Nobody here gives a shit besides you. As @FROG said, he can have a book if he wants. Don't fucking read it, it's that simple. If the gays getting a comic book made is making you that sore, feel free to do a flip.


You say you're following this thread, and that it's baffling that anti-CG isn't getting documented. You clearly haven't been following jack and shit, because the last two doxes that were posted here were within the anti-CG circle, both of them orbiters of Preston Poulter. If you were following this thread as you said, you'd have known that. Or are you crying about kiwis not going after the bigger SJWs opposing CG as a whole? See, I don't think you followed much of shit about the farms in general. Allow me to enlighten you.

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I'm guessing you didn't read @Smug Freiza post not too long ago, much like most of the shit that you claimed to have kept up with. So I'll relay some of what he said. We don't give a shit what tribe you belong to. If you're acting like a spicy flavor of retard, we take notice. Just so happens, people in CG can act just as retarded, spergy, and filthy as those on the other side. You talk about the quality of this thread being shitty, but you coming up in here trying to swing your dick out in this thread while you can barely spell your way out of a nutsack isn't inspiring confidence.

If you don't like the way things are here, you can have a nice tall glass of get the fuck out.

You are trash, simple like that , the only thing that separates you from your doom is the fact that I am looking for Aubrey Cottle and not a rando.

 

[Newman's Own]

But the one point that Dongs seems caught up on, "why doesn't Doug help smaller guys?" I can't think why it's so important. Did Doug say he would? Shit, I didn't even bother to read the entirety of the rants in the last couple of pages to find the answer, it's just so inconsequential Is it the worst thing he's reneged on?

My point exactly.

Why does anyone care if Doug isn't using his newfound YouTube stroke to push the next DRAGOON KNIGHT ALDRAKE or Wart the Wizard or Shane Davis' Starlight Cats ?

This attitude sounds suspiciously like Camilla Zhang's 'you succeeded now you must work for the proletariat' attitude.

'Doug hit it big on YT. Now he owes everyone.'

Retarded.

If Doug helps someone out then great. If he doesn't why would anyone care enough to sperg about it? I think the answer might be that FROG's TDS is contagious.

As to Doug not disowning Preston... He hasn't? Who cares? So Doug hasn't disowned Preston for not disowning some other nameless pervert no one gives a fuck about. Personally, I'd disown Preston for trying to build WarCumpain 2.0 before I'd disavow him for defending loli degenerates.

Or just because Preston has proven himself to be a shiftless snake but it's weird getting autistic about Doug not curating his friend's friends. Let's cancel Bill Burr next.

 

[Furyan]

What'd I do?

And by the way, I don't give a fuck if Joe Glass gets funded. I placed no bets. It'd be funny if he didn't, it's irrelevant that he did. He's allowed to make his gay comics, and he's allowed to cry about me in them.

By the way, how retarded was I for predicting the outcome of a situation to the T.
Pretty amazing.

You are appearing more and more retarded the more I observe you post. It's bad enough you haven't figured out how to crop images, newfag. But I'm noticing a few problems with the shit you're posting. There's plenty of reasons to go at Ethan and a few others here, but of all the things, it's some random fag getting his comic book fulfilled and acting like it's some grave sin. Nobody here gives a shit besides you. As @FROG said, he can have a book if he wants. Don't fucking read it, it's that simple. If the gays getting a comic book made is making you that sore, feel free to do a flip.


You say you're following this thread, and that it's baffling that anti-CG isn't getting documented. You clearly haven't been following jack and shit, because the last two doxes that were posted here were within the anti-CG circle, both of them orbiters of Preston Poulter. If you were following this thread as you said, you'd have known that. Or are you crying about kiwis not going after the bigger SJWs opposing CG as a whole? See, I don't think you followed much of shit about the farms in general. Allow me to enlighten you.

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I'm guessing you didn't read @Smug Freiza post not too long ago, much like most of the shit that you claimed to have kept up with. So I'll relay some of what he said. We don't give a shit what tribe you belong to. If you're acting like a spicy flavor of retard, we take notice. Just so happens, people in CG can act just as retarded, spergy, and filthy as those on the other side. You talk about the quality of this thread being shitty, but you coming up in here trying to swing your dick out in this thread while you can barely spell your way out of a nutsack isn't inspiring confidence.

If you don't like the way things are here, you can have a nice tall glass of get the fuck out.

You are nothing so stay in your lane.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

@Furyan Please refrain from double posting.