#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

The plot thickens! I bet a whole bunch of Mike’s followers DM’ed him pissed off about Preston being there and he finally realized that Preston is bad for business.

He's also got a book coming out. And everybody knows it. Ostensibly nothing in the same vein as Demonatrix. Not the right time to be associating with this shit.

Smiller is the Uncle Junior to my Tony Soprano. Wanting power, revenge...weighing various allies to use against me and finding them wanting.

I hope he doesn't get Alzheimers and shoot me.

You have some really interesting enemies. I find some of them fascinating.

I maintain if he didn't have such a hate boner for you, he would have handled this completely differently. This is the most black & white issue I've seen in a good long time. Any sort of defense of Preston is ridiculous.

 

[FROG]

He's also got a book coming out. And everybody knows it. Ostensibly nothing in the same vein as Demonatrix. Not the right time to be associating with this shit.


You have some really interesting enemies. I find some of them fascinating.

I maintain if he didn't have such a hate boner for you, he would have handled this completely differently. This is the most black & white issue I've seen in a good long time. Any sort of defense of Preston is ridiculous.

How generous. Manning, I want to put this out there for you. Is it possible. Just maybe. That some people not liking a certain gayass Frog has something to do with his actions over the last few years?

Also would suggest cooling it on ascribing preferences. I'm only going to speak for myself, I'm fairly neutral on Ethan as a human being.

I literally did nothing wrong. As time goes on, and more and more obsessive nitwit haters publicly beclown themselves, that becomes more and more clear.

 

[Captain Manning]

I literally did nothing wrong. As time goes on, and more and more obsessive nitwit haters publicly beclown themselves, that becomes more and more clear.

I don't care if you've ever done anything wrong. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't.

The better (and most pertinent) question is did you do something as wrong as write, draw, or even defend Demonatrix?

Actually, don't answer that. For obvious reasons. I'll just go ahead and assume the answer is no.

How generous. Manning, I want to put this out there for you. Is it possible. Just maybe. That some people not liking a certain gayass Frog has something to do with his actions over the last few years?

You still don't get it.

What does that have to do with Preston suing EVS? I'm telling @Analog Devolved is that he should be commended for putting aside his dislike for Frog in this ONE particular and narrowly defined issue. You seem to think I would mindlessly defend Frog. I wouldn't. I called him arrogant once. I told him that in a livestream. About as close to his face as you can get without actually being in the same room as him.

It's just that he, unlike Preston, isn't giving me any reason to NOT take his side on this trashfire of a lawsuit. Try to think of things in terms of subjects, and not people. To paraphrase Jay-Z, you can have 99 problems with Ethan, but his criticism of Preston [shouldn't] be one.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Mike allowed his Discord server to be a safespace for a guy who sanctions the creation of material in which underage girls have sexual relations with demons. How very Christian of him...

He would tell you that's VERY christian of him, welcoming sinners in. He's going to save them. This is what evangelists do.

 

[jspit2.0]

I literally did nothing wrong. As time goes on, and more and more obsessive nitwit haters publicly beclown themselves, that becomes more and more clear.

Does Earthworm Jim hate gay people?

You still don't get it.

What does that have to do with Preston suing EVS? I'm telling @Analog Devolved is that he should be commended for putting aside his dislike for Frog in this ONE particular and narrowly defined issue. You seem to think I would mindlessly defend Frog. I wouldn't. I called him arrogant once. I told him that in a livestream. About as close to his face as you can get without actually being in the same room as him.

What I'm telling you is Frog today isn't Frog from yesteryear.

Moreover, I don't think anyone on here is or should be on "Preston's side." I'm rooting for Dean and Vikki and Ethan.

It's just that he, unlike Preston, isn't giving me any reason to NOT take his side on this trashfire of a lawsuit. Try to think of things in terms of subjects, and not people. To paraphrase Jay-Z, you can have 99 problems with Ethan, but his criticism of Preston [shouldn't] be one.

But it's Comicsgate. I'm interested in all of CG. I may be a slow learner, but I can kek at Ethan, Mike, and Preston. I'm very low level invested in this. Unlike Peggy, I don't think that ugly ass mutherfucka is the center of the universe.

Speaking of, can I just insert how I'm disappointed in Simple Zach? I know shocking. I shouldn't be surprised, but given just how much Ethan had his back; how shit is it that Richard Meyer isn't doing more for his friend?

 

[FROG]

Does Earthworm Jim hate gay people?

Just proves my point.

 

[Captain Manning]

Does Earthworm Jim hate gay people?

Interesting question. Earthworms are actually hermaphrodites, so I guess they're both gay and not.

Doug hates gay people, along with a bevy of other extremist and weirdo views. This is why I never watch Doug. I'll admire his artwork, and have happy childhood thoughts (I put the game on my Super Famicom Classic), but that's about as far as I'll go.

I've said a couple of times that if Doug didn't have artistic talent, he'd be up Shit Creek without a paddle.

Moreover, I don't think anyone on here is or should be on "Preston's side." I'm rooting for Dean and Vikki and Ethan.

That's fine. I shall commend you too even if you put it in the smallest font possible. Point is, you grit your teeth and put it there.

He would tell you that's VERY christian of him, welcoming sinners in. He's going to save them. This is what evangelists do.

He's wasting his time, IMO. Some people are beyond saving.

 

[FROG]

Interesting question. Earthworms are actually hermaphrodites, so I guess they're both gay and not.

Doug hates gay people, along with a bevy of other extremist and weirdo views. This is why I never watch Doug. I'll admire his artwork, and have happy childhood thoughts (I put the game on my Super Famicom Classic), but that's about as far as I'll go.

I've said a couple of times that if Doug didn't have artistic talent, he'd be up Shit Creek without a paddle.

Doug gaslit a bunch of willing-to-be-gaslit fans by simultaneously excoriating ComicsGate for not attacking the Gays like he wanted to do, while also telling us he wasn't allowed to associate with ComicsGate because it was too controversial for Earthworm Jim.

Asking him how EWJ could be anti-gay enough for the agenda he stated he'd like going forward while still being "uncontroversial" for the mainstream seemed like a fucking fair enough question to me.

A few years later, and it's pretty clear that Doug was full of shit, and people who believed in him were fools. And once again, I didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Doug gaslit a bunch of willing-to-be-gaslit fans by simultaneously excoriating ComicsGate for not attacking the Gays like he wanted to do, while also telling us he wasn't allowed to associate with ComicsGate because it was too controversial for Earthworm Jim.

Asking him how EWJ could be anti-gay enough for the agenda he stated he'd like going forward while still being "uncontroversial" for the mainstream seemed like a fucking fair enough question to me.

A few years later, and it's pretty clear that Doug was full of shit, and people who believed in him were fools. And once again, I didn't do anything wrong.

If it's any consolation, Doug's Trump crusade is proving to do himself in. How many viewers and potential customers has he lost because of it? Will be interesting to see, come his next campaign.

 

[Captain Manning]

Asking him how EWJ could be anti-gay enough for the agenda he stated he'd like going forward while still being "uncontroversial" for the mainstream seemed like a fucking fair enough question to me.

It is. And I don't think he can have it both ways.

It strikes me that Doug wanted CG to be a dedicated combatant in the broader culture wars, addressing the actual underlying issues that are making their way into comics (that he clearly has an axe to grind over), and not simply asking why those issues are making it into comics or what place they have being shoehorned in comics.

Put another way, he wouldn't just ask why gay marriage is being shoehorned into comics. Instead, he'd want to ask "Why is gay marriage?!", and then expect everybody to march on Washington, or some shit.

I don't think CG should be gay or anti-gay. It should simply allow creative freedom, and not be a slave to political correctness. If Doug wants to harp on the gay thing, there's plenty of other organizations he could join that make it their mission in life to do that (i.e. Focus on the Family).

 

[jspit2.0]

Just proves my point.

That you used SJW tactics to try to cancel someone?

Doug hates gay people, along with a bevy of other extremist and weirdo views.

So Christians who hold to their faiths teaching in your words hate gay people? Good to know.

That's fine. I shall commend you too even if you put it in the smallest font possible. Point is, you grit your teeth and put it there.

Mostly trolling.

He's wasting his time, IMO. Some people are beyond saving.

Doug gaslit a bunch of willing-to-be-gaslit fans by simultaneously excoriating ComicsGate for not attacking the Gays like he wanted to do, while also telling us he wasn't allowed to associate with ComicsGate because it was too controversial for Earthworm Jim.

Asking him how EWJ could be anti-gay enough for the agenda he stated he'd like going forward while still being "uncontroversial" for the mainstream seemed like a fucking fair enough question to me.

A few years later, and it's pretty clear that Doug was full of shit, and people who believed in him were fools. And once again, I didn't do anything wrong.

That's not what you were trying to do, you were angry he stood you up at the Prom and wanted to see him lose the EWJ license.

If it's any consolation, Doug's Trump crusade is proving to do himself in. How many viewers and potential customers has he lost because of it? Will be interesting to see, come his next campaign.

Yep, Doug's full of shit.

It is. And I don't think he can have it both ways.

It strikes me that Doug wanted CG to be a dedicated combatant in the broader culture wars, addressing the actual underlying issues that are making their way into comics (that he clearly has an axe to grind over), and not simply asking why those issues are making it into comics or what place they have being shoehorned in comics.

Put another way, he wouldn't just ask why gay marriage is being shoehorned into comics. Instead, he'd want to ask "Why is gay marriage?!", and then expect everybody to march on Washington, or some shit.

I don't think CG should be gay or anti-gay. It should simply allow creative freedom, and not be a slave to political correctness. If Doug wants to harp on the gay thing, there's plenty of other organizations he could join that make it their mission in life to do that (i.e. Focus on the Family).

So he couldn't talk about it but Trump hats and MAGA books are fine? The same thing you said could apply to Tim Lim.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

I posted my other findings(1)(2) from yesterday in the lawsuit thread, but I completely forgot to post this one.

Preston and Lamont got a strong ally here.
I guess child appreciators stick up for each other.

https://twitter.com/Official_LDTF/status/1397427694208528392

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You can't make that shit up, lmfao.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

That you used SJW tactics to try to cancel someone?



So Christians who hold to their faiths teaching in your words hate gay people? Good to know.



Mostly trolling.




That's not what you were trying to do, you were angry he stood you up at the Prom and wanted to see him lose the EWJ license.



Yep, Doug's full of shit.



So he couldn't talk about it but Trump hats and MAGA books are fine? The same thing you said could apply to Tim Lim.

How is it "canceling" someone by not putting them on your show? Should Frog be required to have you on his show to promote something? Are you required to have Frog on your show to promote his stuff?

 

[Captain Manning]

So Christians who hold to their faiths teaching in your words hate gay people? Good to know.

Doug is homophobic. I mean, he just is. I dunno why we'd argue this point.

He's entitled to be. I'm not gonna harp on the issue the same way an SJW would. At most, I just won't watch him because that topic, along with a lot of other things he wants to talk about, doesn't interest me.

The problem with Doug is he wanted to drag everybody else into it and make it a central issue in CG. Which is dumb. I think that's what @FROG is saying here.

So he couldn't talk about it but Trump hats and MAGA books are fine? The same thing you said could apply to Tim Lim.

To my knowledge, Tim wanted to do MAGA books in CG, and Ethan didn't like that idea. I dunno if that means Tim wanted to make MAGA a core issue of CG in the same way that Doug wanted to make homosexuality a core issue in CG,

I'll say that if I'm wrong, and Tim wanted CG to be pro-MAGA across the board, then Tim is indeed as dumb as Doug. But that's now how I understand it went down.

Firstly, I think boosting Trump shouldn't really be a CG focus. You don't have to like Trump to understand that mainstream comics have gone to hell and creative freedom is being stifled. I think you can have Trump books in CG, but it's silly to think Trump is the most important thing to CG. It's possible to hate SJWs but not be a Trump fanboy (no, really, it is).

And secondly, Trump has a shelf life. If it wasn't four years like it turned out to be, it would have been eight. I agree with the argument that Lim's Trump books will never be as "evergreen" as Kamen America or Black Hops. I myself have never picked them up, and have no intention to.

Note that I have been inquisitive about FROG's handling of Tim, but not really Doug. The Doug thing is less murky to me than the Tim thing.

EDIT: Typo.

 

[Pilule Noire]

If it's any consolation, Doug's Trump crusade is proving to do himself in. How many viewers and potential customers has he lost because of it? Will be interesting to see, come his next campaign.

I don't know about that, Doug is still doing very well on Youtube - despite Google's attempt to cut him away like a cancerous tumor, he has come back, just like cancer, and started growing again. Which warms my heart!

But the sad fact of it is, Doug's Trumpbait mode is like taking Youtube steroids compared to his previous ink-and-chat style of Youtube, which didn't grow his channel at all after he left CG. So that's why he's gone straight back to the Trumpbait despite getting nuked for it.

His main channel is at 70K subs now, it was 50K last time I checked not too long ago. And he also has a second 'DougStream' channel now for livestreams (~4.5K subs), where a stream he did yesterday, with his son as the guest, is at 17K views - not far off Frog's 20K views for his only stream so far this week, the one he did on Sunday.

Now the question is, can Doug can monetize this audience?

Judging from comments underneath his SonStream such as "The Bible is science and can be proved true by historical facts." I would say that yes, he will be able to monetize these folks one way or another. It shouldn't be too hard.

So don't write the old Worm off just yet! It's possible Doug has found an even stupider, even more gullible crowd of moneyed fools than CG. He just needs to crack that nut!

He just needs to somehow convince them to read a book other than the Bible. Or maybe he could do a comic of the Bible, and sell that to them.

Or maybe he doesn't need to make comics at all, since his audience probably don't know about adblockers, they might not even have noticed 'Skip Ad'. Or they might be morally against it. So he can just rake it in with these two-minute newsbite videos, which are much less hassle than comic making or even livestreaming.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Moreover, I don't think anyone on here is or should be on "Preston's side." I'm rooting for Dean and Vikki and Ethan.

I'm rooting for THUNDERDOME!!!

 

[Least Concern]

I posted my other findings(1)(2) from yesterday in the lawsuit thread, but I completely forgot to post this one.
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I found that article on Reason: https://reason.com/volokh/2021/05/2...x-comics-are-lolicon-belong-in-federal-court/

The article itself is basically "Do we really have to make a federal case out of this?" But the comments are interesting; part genuine legal analysis, part libertarian/conservatarian takes about lolicon, child pornography, and child sexuality in general. Which ones are troll posts and which ones are genuine? You decide.

 

[Captain Manning]

So don't write the old Worm off just yet! It's possible Doug has found an even stupider, even more gullible crowd of moneyed fools than CG. He just needs to crack that nut!

Oh, I think he's got an audience as long as Susan will let him have an audience.

I'm just not really part of that audience, and I also think Susan will eventually yeet him (which is not to say I support that). I don't think it's as "safe" a bet doing what he's doing as much as him just continuing to do comic books. As a bit of a backhanded compliment, I'll also say I think what he's doing is waste of his talent.

I found that article on Reason: https://reason.com/volokh/2021/05/2...x-comics-are-lolicon-belong-in-federal-court/

The article itself is basically "Do we really have to make a federal case out of this?" But the comments are interesting; part genuine legal analysis, part libertarian/conservatarian takes about lolicon, child pornography, and child sexuality in general. Which ones are troll posts and which ones are genuine? You decide.

Kinda skimpy. It would be interesting if Volokh deconstructed this further. He's a law professor and has a pretty big bibliography.

Also:



GAS! GAS! GAS!
(It's probably a troll though).

 

[jspit2.0]

How is it "canceling" someone by not putting them on your show? Should Frog be required to have you on his show to promote something? Are you required to have Frog on your show to promote his stuff?

By trying to call Doug a homophobe on twitter so they'd yank the EWJ license.

Doug is homophobic. I mean, he just is. I dunno why we'd argue this point.

Because by this point it's an SJW buzzword. Actually fucking back that shit up or fuck off.

At most, I just won't watch him because that topic, along with a lot of other things he wants to talk about, doesn't interest me.

The problem with Doug is he wanted to drag everybody else into it and make it a central issue in CG.

No. Testefy and his WC buddies? More fucking propaganda.

Note that I have been inquisitive about FROG's handling of Tim, but not really Doug. The Doug thing is less murky to me than the Tim thing.

EDIT: Typo.

I have noted it. Like your failure to address how Doug's views are 'homophobic', an SJW term. Trying to sic the same faggots [uh oh, I guess I'm a bad person too now] on Doug that were going after all kinds of people because he was mad was peak Frog at the time. That's the context.

Doug left CG because he didn't like being attached to Frog and a movement that had a new controversy every week. Pornographic images spammed without people's consent, doxxing, harassment, outright lies, threats of violence, anti-Christian bile for about three months on twitter that made even me blanch. It wasn't what he came for.

None of which had anything to really do with the gay. What you're aping, a phrase Doug said you're using out of context. He finally appeared on a Rackets stream alongside EVS because after Caeser had cancelled most of the prominent Christian's in his movement, he got some fucking blowback and they both wanted it to stop. Doug said, to wit, that he wanted someone who would stand up to the Rainbow Mafia, who both in the past and at that time were trying to cancel him and had been for twenty years because he was frank on his Christian views.

I'm rooting for THUNDERDOME!!!

I am too.

Honestly CG simpery grates. They have a common tactic. Lie. Mistate the past. Lie often enough and either people will give up or they'll believe it.

 

[TiredAndInked]

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Preston and Lamont got a strong ally here.
I guess child appreciators stick up for each other.
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https://twitter.com/Official_LDTF/status/1397427694208528392

https://archive.md/MP9Qa

You can't make that shit up, lmfao.
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You'd think at this point at least someone there should ask "Are we the bad guys?"