#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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A nameless trool said:
Going for a recap of that livestream

Ryan Kinel VS Doomcock Exploring An Interesting School Boy Drama - LIVE
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Can anyone put together a current scorecard of who is feuding with who in the Fandom Menace? I
think it would be useful to those of us who don't pay attention to them on a regular basis.
 
Pilule Noire said:
Don't let that mean fat @FROG get you down, @NasserRabadi13!

Look, maybe it's because the last ComicsGate back-alley abortion I inspected was @Wenger's Aldrake, but I honestly didn't find Ducktor Satan to be nearly as shit as I expected it to be!

It's far, far better than Wenger's Aldrake, which people may remember as the one where Slug went to the toilet while it was being forcibly promoted on his show by Slug's primordial friend and fellow comicbook auteur, Matthew Wenger.

Old Wenger! How come he don't come around no more? He was truly one of the most sparkling intellectual lights of the highly prestigious CAPS CG show. I'm being sarcastic of course - he's off-the-charts shit at both comics and speech.

So let's never mind Wenger - back to Nasser being shat on. Don't let that bloated bullying SLUG bigtime you, Nasser. He's a shit writer! Even his own longtime best friend @TESTEFY-HD admitted it in public the other day, he said he's a shit writer, but the art makes up for it. The art makes up for it! It makes up for his shit writing! That's the job that his art needs to do, that's the work his art needs to do. He's such a good artist, and such a shit writer, that the good art has to make up for the shit writing. That's according to his own best friend!

Whereas with your Ducktor Satan, you've taken a completely shit idea, unbelievably shit idea, along with an artist who can only just barely draw, very arguably can't, and yet you've managed to turn it into a sort of ... thing, that isn't really too terrible. It's actually not as awful as you would expect!

So you've taken absolute pure shit, and made it not-unbearably-shit, which is like the first step on your alchemical journey of turning shit into gold.

Be proud, not ashamed! Ignore that vile, bloated, glistening SLUG, and his womanish twitterish 'omg girlfriend' comments. Let them roll off your back Nasser - let them roll like water off a DUCKTOR SATAN'S BACK!

(Although, in fairness, Frog is right about moving on and not wasting trees or mental energy on it any more)
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I'm going to agree with the basic gist of this post, that Ducktor Satan isn't completely awful. It's not great, but it covers the comedic horror aspect you were going for well enough. The concept and execution work about as well as expected. I'd compare it to Mighty Mascots in taking a ridiculous idea and running with it. An accident with a 3D printer is just as silly as a duck attacking a doctor just as the doctor summons a demon, thereby merging the duck and doctor a la The Fly. You could make this work if you wanted. It's up to you @NasserRabadi13
 
Dong-Liquor said:
I'm going to agree with the basic gist of this post, that Ducktor Satan isn't completely awful. It's not great, but it covers the comedic horror aspect you were going for well enough. The concept and execution work about as well as expected. I'd compare it to Mighty Mascots in taking a ridiculous idea and running with it. An accident with a 3D printer is just as silly as a duck attacking a doctor just as the doctor summons a demon, thereby merging the duck and doctor a la The Fly. You could make this work if you wanted. It's up to you @NasserRabadi13
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I was thinking that it could have been more of a Howard the Duck rip off. I think that that would have had more potential.
 
EVS being interviewed on some show I'd never heard of before the Buck Sexton show.
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Strix454 said:
Can anyone put together a current scorecard of who is feuding with who in the Fandom Menace? I
think it would be useful to those of us who don't pay attention to them on a regular basis.
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To the best of my knowledge: Doomcock vs Ryan Kinel, Midnight's Edge vs Mecharandom42, Mecharandom vs Nerdroic, Mister H vs a lot of the Fandom Menace Shills, and My Liver vs Jack Daniels.
 
This is probably the big splintering we have known would inevitably come. I expect to see more fractures show up within the upcoming weeks/months.

The funniest thing about this is Ryan ignored arguably the most important lesson that the FM/Comicsgate was supposed to have learned and practiced, which is: RESPECT THE FANS. Doomcock's rumors are retarded and I think the large majority of the 'fans' understood that, and sort of laughed him off as a crazy uncle yelling about weird cloud formations. I mean, the dude talks to a stuffed animal in a tank and wears a weird papier-mache mask. But Ryan had to try and be edgy and insulted the fans themselves.

I think this is especially foolish in light that Ryan gained his audience from his association with G&G/Nerdrotic, while Doomcock arguably gained prominence without them. Doock has 4 times his subscribers, and his videos get 10 times the views. Ryan attacking DC is especially foolish in light of that. DC will still be there despite what might happen with this whole thing, Ryan could be snuffed out like mechrandom if the livestream crowd decided to cut him off.
 
Elwood P. Dowd said:
EVS being interviewed on some show I'd never heard of before the Buck Sexton show.
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Yeah. One thing worth mentioning in response to Buck Sexton's account is the old question of what FROG's real political beliefs actually were and are. This was a really hot issue briefly in 2018 before it was mostly forgotten and overwhelmed by other things.

"You say I was mad because you voted for Trump, you know that’s not true and I find this one of the creepiest bits. What happened was, you were crowing about Trump winning, which is your right. But what annoyed me was that you had just days previously called Trump a clown, an insane idiot, and that he would be a disaster for the country. I could’ve ignored it and possibly should have, but I asked about that on Twitter, “Hey, Ethan, weren’t you saying THIS about Trump just a few days ago? I believe you got embarrassed. Maybe that’s not a cool thing for me to do. But it was frustrating to see you constantly say one thing to your friends, and the exact opposite to your followers. I have a bunch more examples, you know what some of them are" - Gail Simone 9/29/2018

There is a point of view that certain problems were not so much about being one thing or another. But the problem was in being two different things at the same time. Certain of the 2019 disputes within CG make slightly more sense as disputes between political true believers and a group of people riding a popular trend with no belief in it.

Mitch Breitweiser's transformation from conservative victim of the SJWs aligned with CG to someone who claimed to be apolitical & never had anything to do with CG at all is worth remembering in this context. They had a reporter in a promotional newspaper article say "But a deep dive turns up little to impugn the Breitweisers. The perception that they’re aligned with Comicsgate seems to rest largely on their being polite to creators other people find abhorrent." and Mitch saying (in reference to CG) "“I want to think we took bad energy and turned it into good energy. It’s not fun to transmute bad energy into good energy, but sometimes that’s the only way forward.”

or his wife saying with regard to CG: “We want to make a safe haven for creators. It’s been my worst nightmare to be labeled all of these things that have nothing to do with me.”
Mitch of course greatly helped this perception of himself by deleting most of the videos which would have contradicted these statements.

Its difficult as well now to see TUG and Yellow Flash as anything political. Both were always just in it as kind of a hustle for money. But generally in society there were lots of people post-2016 who attached themselves to the Trump bandwagon. Gamergate (and post-Gamergate) was no better about this sort of thing.
 
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Rodeo Roadrunner said:
This is probably the big splintering we have known would inevitably come. I expect to see more fractures show up within the upcoming weeks/months.

The funniest thing about this is Ryan ignored arguably the most important lesson that the FM/Comicsgate was supposed to have learned and practiced, which is: RESPECT THE FANS. Doomcock's rumors are retarded and I think the large majority of the 'fans' understood that, and sort of laughed him off as a crazy uncle yelling about weird cloud formations. I mean, the dude talks to a stuffed animal in a tank and wears a weird papier-mache mask. But Ryan had to try and be edgy and insulted the fans themselves.

I think this is especially foolish in light that Ryan gained his audience from his association with G&G/Nerdrotic, while Doomcock arguably gained prominence without them. Doock has 4 times his subscribers, and his videos get 10 times the views. Ryan attacking DC is especially foolish in light of that. DC will still be there despite what might happen with this whole thing, Ryan could be snuffed out like mechrandom if the livestream crowd decided to cut him off.
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Well. The thing about doomcock is that while his rumors were bad, they were no more bad than those spread by everyone else in the Fandom Menace. I mean listening to Jeff Hicks or Jessi Milestone talk as if they were better or more honest is really retarded. The life-blood of the entire fandom menace was spreading and talking about false stories. I can't think of anyone among them who was innocent of doing that.

There is also a growing tendency for certain downstream people who made shows out of repeating Doomcock's "news" after Doomcock did it to now complain about the quality of that material. Or to complain about restrictions put on them because they were using other people's material to make their shows. Doomcock is a retarded idiot. But him being retarded doesn't make WCBS or Jessi Milestone or that nobody Ryan right about anything.
 
Captain Manning said:
I am in a very small minority of people that think the film adaptation of Howard the Duck got unfairly shit on.

In fact, I think it was a stupendous movie.
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it took me a couple times watching it to get an appreciation of it and that didn’t happen until I got old enough to understand what was going on in it.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
When you remove all barriers to entry and create a new distribution method that every self-publisher can use to market their wares then thats guaranteed to include a whole lot of garbage. That's a feature, not a bug.
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The question wasn't, "why all the garbage?" That's obviously the lack of talent.

The question is, "are there any compelling stories coming out of CG?". I haven't seen any aside from a few by people who walked away. One of whom you mentioned.

There must be some good stories right? By law of averages...

If it's all garbage all the "discernment" in the world won't help and there's plenty of great old stuff in trades I haven't read yet that's guaranteed good.

Pilule Noire said:
It's far, far better than Wenger's Aldrake
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"This steaming pile has more corn in it and the one who left it here didn't just come from the nearest Taco Bell."

Still, I guess that's looking on the bright side.

Miniluv said:
I've said before that I haven't backed anything in a while, owing mainly to the fact that I went 2 for 5 in good experiences in the last couple of years, with the two "good" books being Bigfoot Bill and one that had nothing to do with CG
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At risk of raising the ire of the anti-Doug set here I'll recommend Soulfinder. The art is good to excellent with interesting stories and characters you can get invested in. There's no need to back it as he doesn't crowd fund anymore. You can just order the book and it'll be there in about a week.

Demonic possession stories aren't really my thing but I enjoyed both books so far and will support the next one.
 
Newman's Own said:
Demonic possession stories aren't really my thing but I enjoyed both books so far and will support the next one.
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With your new found appreciation for demonic possession, Preston Poulter has a friend whose comic book might be right up your alley.
 
Strix454 said:
Yeah. One thing worth mentioning in response to Buck Sexton's account is the old question of what FROG's real political beliefs actually were and are. This was a really hot issue briefly in 2018 before it was mostly forgotten and overwhelmed by other things.

"You say I was mad because you voted for Trump, you know that’s not true and I find this one of the creepiest bits. What happened was, you were crowing about Trump winning, which is your right. But what annoyed me was that you had just days previously called Trump a clown, an insane idiot, and that he would be a disaster for the country. I could’ve ignored it and possibly should have, but I asked about that on Twitter, “Hey, Ethan, weren’t you saying THIS about Trump just a few days ago? I believe you got embarrassed. Maybe that’s not a cool thing for me to do. But it was frustrating to see you constantly say one thing to your friends, and the exact opposite to your followers. I have a bunch more examples, you know what some of them are" - Gail Simone 9/29/2018

There is a point of view that certain problems were not so much about being one thing or another. But the problem was in being two different things at the same time. Certain of the 2019 disputes within CG make slightly more sense as disputes between political true believers and a group of people riding a popular trend with no belief in it.
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I would guess that this is Ethan being a narcissist. He has a tendency to say completely different things one next to the other, because they make him look good. And I am certain he believes them.

Also, CG did not started as a political movement. It was YBZ being frustrated he could not buy "good comics" and Marvel executives calling fans nazis.
(Comics, by Perch, who reads us, had a really interesting take on this btw

YBZ is your average white male Gen X working class voter and he even voted for Obama., to the point I gasp if he ever mentions a political stance to the right of center.

But it was Zack screaming SJWs!!! that got him attention and traction and also a lot of SJWs screaming Nazi that turned CG into a rightwing movement.

EVS seems to me more like your run of the mill libertarian Republican supporter, not a hard core Christian or identarian rightwinger like Doug, Edwin or Mike. Hell, even Sweetcast is a more hardcore rightwinger than those two.
I can see Republican Ethan feeling doubts about Trump before election (since Trump took over the party) but changing his mind once he was elected and his team held the reins.

Edit: Drunk3PO explains the Doomcock situation much clearer here:
Every time Doomcock starts a rumor, other channels and publications report on it as truth and he (and I guess other Fandom Rejects) get bombarded with DMs and emails and then they alienate their audience when they report otherwise.
This creates the schism in Fandom Rejects.
 
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Elwood P. Dowd said:
EVS being interviewed on some show I'd never heard of before the Buck Sexton show.
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Buck Sexton interviews Ann Coulter for about ten minutes every day. I like Ann Coulter, so occasionally I'll catch up on her thoughts via YouTube, where her Buck Sexton appearances are collected. That's how I found out about his show. I understand he's going to be replacing Rush Limbaugh's regular time slot, so maybe he's a rising star. He had a pretty good energy about him. I've been on his show twice now.

Strix454 said:
Yeah. One thing worth mentioning in response to Buck Sexton's account is the old question of what FROG's real political beliefs actually were and are. This was a really hot issue briefly in 2018 before it was mostly forgotten and overwhelmed by other things.

"You say I was mad because you voted for Trump, you know that’s not true and I find this one of the creepiest bits. What happened was, you were crowing about Trump winning, which is your right. But what annoyed me was that you had just days previously called Trump a clown, an insane idiot, and that he would be a disaster for the country. I could’ve ignored it and possibly should have, but I asked about that on Twitter, “Hey, Ethan, weren’t you saying THIS about Trump just a few days ago? I believe you got embarrassed. Maybe that’s not a cool thing for me to do. But it was frustrating to see you constantly say one thing to your friends, and the exact opposite to your followers. I have a bunch more examples, you know what some of them are" - Gail Simone 9/29/2018
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I'll be kind and suggest that Gail Simone is misremembering those paraphrases from me regarding Mr. Trump. It'd be easy to get into a conversation with me during the Summer of 2016, tell me that YOU think Trump is a clown, an insane idiot, and will be a disaster for the country, and for me to respond, "ha ha, yeah, maybe," because I sensed a ton of energy for the subject in you, and didn't want to receive it. Cool down, there.

Anyone who regularly visited my FB page knew that I was deeply invested in defeating Hillary Clinton, and was only unsure of which candidate would actually get the job done. I enjoyed Trump, but didn't know if he could win.

By Summer of 2016, I'd become fully convinced by Trumpism, if not necessarily Trump himself. I felt he couldn't win, but his ideas were the best for the country. I posted pro-Trump propaganda regularly (much to the dismay and mockery of my peers) and campaigned for him despite believing he was going to lose. I was pretty much like every Republican around me at that time.

I voted for him and felt great about it, even tweeting a photo of my ballot before pulling it down when a friend told me they'd report my tweet, because that was illegal. When he won, I celebrated and went to the inauguration.

The idea that I was ever anti-Trump would be scoffed at by anyone in my circles. I was a fan and watched all the rallies. Purchased his autograph. But "maybe the reason we canceled him wasn't even real at all" is another interesting angle to take in trying to bring me down.
 
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