Could Trump have run as a democrat?

[cybertoaster]

I was remembering the 2004 election where BDS lunacy hit the roof and you had the same fucking celeb idiots like eminem butthurt about bush as much as they were now with trump

I also remember kerry being a wimpy boring asshole which cost them the election, and the cope back then was comparable to 2016

Back then the left was way more like the right in that they didn't give a shit about being PC and guys like jon steward made jokes that would get them fired and cancelled now, they gave zero fucks. It was very ironic seeing them being so buttblasted about hillary jokes in 2016 when it was practically the same shit you heard about dubya coming from them 12 years before

I remember jokes about powell and rice being house niggers made by the deep fried comics guy who is now a SJW on steroids

My point is if trump could've run against dubya back then given that his brand of mockery and not giving a fuck would've been really popular with left liberals of the day, it was literally what they wanted to counter dubya, kerry was so lame even that cokehead ran circles around him

What do you think? could it been possible? just a thought experiment, I think theres a possibility given where the overton window was back then

 

[Just A Butt]

No.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I was remembering the 2004 election where BDS lunacy hit the roof and you had the same fucking celeb idiots like eminem butthurt about bush as much as they were now with trump

I also remember kerry being a wimpy boring asshole which cost them the election, and the cope back then was comparable to 2016

Back then the left was way more like the right in that they didn't give a shit about being PC and guys like jon steward made jokes that would get them fired and cancelled now, they gave zero fucks. It was very ironic seeing them being so buttblasted about hillary jokes in 2016 when it was practically the same shit you heard about dubya coming from them 12 years before

I remember jokes about powell and rice being house niggers made by the deep fried comics guy who is now a SJW on steroids

My point is if trump could've run against dubya back then given that his brand of mockery and not giving a fuck would've been really popular with left liberals of the day, it was literally what they wanted to counter dubya, kerry was so lame even that cokehead ran circles around him

What do you think? could it been possible?

Considering that Trump has no defence against election count shenanigans I doubt he could have beaten Bushes.

 

[cybertoaster]

Considering that Trump has no defence against election count shenanigans I doubt he could have beaten Bushes.

I said run as democrat, not actually win

 

[Lemon]

He might've been able to but he definitely would not win even the primaries. This year people were mad that Biden ran as a Dem. It was less "PC" then but Trump's policies are still right wing and appeal to right wing people.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Trump was able to ride a wave of populism and distrust in the Uniparty that just didn't exist back in 2004. I doubt he would have gotten far.
Besides which, he wasn't the same sort of celebrity back then that he was by the 2016 election. "The Apprentice" only started midway through the 2004 election cycle, and the Obama Derangement Syndrome that first endeared him to the right wing was still years in the future. And of course, there was no Twitter.

 

[cybertoaster]

He might've been able to but he definitely would not win even the primaries. This year people were mad that Biden ran as a Dem. It was less "PC" then but Trump's policies are still right wing and appeal to right wing people.

Given he delivered jack shit of what he promised I figure he would also made-up the kind of bullshit the dnc voters wanted

Its what he does, he tells rubes what they want to hear, typical NYC huckster

Trump was able to ride a wave of populism and distrust in the Uniparty that just didn't exist back in 2004. I doubt he would have gotten far.
Besides which, he wasn't the same sort of celebrity back then that he was by the 2016 election. "The Apprentice" only started midway through the 2004 election cycle, and the Obama Derangement Syndrome that first endeared him to the right wing was still years in the future. And of course, there was no Twitter.

True but I do see him being invited to a bunch of shows like snl, the daily show, colbert, etc if only because they liked to dump on dubya too

Given how weak the dnc candidates were during the primaries I think he might, just might, have won that, but dubya was still riding the wave of 9/11 and iraq, the consequences of the forever wars werent there yet so I doubt trump would've actually won the election but probably would've gotten more votes than kerry

 

[Salubrious]

2016 was really a perfect storm for Trump to win.

1) You had people, even some liberals, starting to see that Obama was not going to deliver the promised land as originally thought.

2) People naturally swing from Republican to Democrat and back again. The last time we had two straight presidents of the same party was Reagan and H.W, and H.W. only lasted one term.

3) It REALLY cannot be understated how much Hillary was disliked. You talk about how voting for Biden was really an anti-Trump vote, but there were plenty of people voting for Trump as an anti-Hillary vote.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Trump was able to ride a wave of populism and distrust in the Uniparty that just didn't exist back in 2004. I doubt he would have gotten far.
Besides which, he wasn't the same sort of celebrity back then that he was by the 2016 election. "The Apprentice" only started midway through the 2004 election cycle, and the Obama Derangement Syndrome that first endeared him to the right wing was still years in the future. And of course, there was no Twitter.

It's so lame that people try to retroactively apply derangement syndrome to other people.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

2004 wasn't the year. The big Dem push was the Iraq War and it pretty much required some former service guy. Gigantic retard Wesley "Let's Go to War Over Pristina Airport" Clark was pretty popular early in the primaries and it got antiwar former serviceman John Kerry elevated for the nod.

2000 maybe? I don't think '88 or '92 because the S&L crisis made real estate moguls deeply unpopular.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Trump's policies are still right wing and appeal to right wing people.

No shortage of corporate donors in favor of tax cuts for the superrich on the left either. I think people assume he would have the same set of promises. But so many of his promises were instead tactical. For example: the wall. If it was important to him, he would have built it. The moment he as New Yorker, who used to cosy up to the clintons was taken serious as e publican candidate, he mostly dropped the topic of the wall. Ergo: his goal in using the wall was to appear more right wing on an issue where GOP hadn't delivered: immigration, and to make him look like a viable political candidate, despite most experience being in real estate.

 

[Lemon]

No shortage of corporate donors in favor of tax cuts for the superrich on the left either. I think people assume he would have the same set of promises. But so many of his promises were instead tactical. For example: the wall. If it was important to him, he would have built it. The moment he as New Yorker, who used to cosy up to the clintons was taken serious as e publican candidate, he mostly dropped the topic of the wall. Ergo: his goal in using the wall was to appear more right wing on an issue where GOP hadn't delivered: immigration, and to make him look like a viable political candidate, despite most experience being in real estate.

This is true, along with his populist ideas that a TON of americans on both sides are for obvi. He's not a populist (if this needs to be explained I cannot help you lol) so that's another thing he's just saying for approval. I do believe he's genuinely a republican, though, just lacking a bit of a spine and morals.

 

[cybertoaster]

Is there any republican with a spine left? jeb lost in great part because he was seen as another whipping boy, and romney was just a milquetoast that even when obama had already cucked to the corporations and failed to deliver many promises he still won by a larger margin than biden just did

The thing about trump is that he's all bark and no bite, he's not like teddy, but neither are any republicans since reagan

His most realistic chance would of been in 1988 if he could beaten Dukakis in the primaries. Other than that I doubt it, maybe in the 2000 he could of beaten Bush but Al Gore was already too popular and established for Trump to win the democrat race.

No way, in fact are there any cases of a new guy beating the sitting VP for the nomination? biden didnt show up for 2016 else he probably would've gotten it over hillary

No shortage of corporate donors in favor of tax cuts for the superrich on the left either. I think people assume he would have the same set of promises. But so many of his promises were instead tactical. For example: the wall. If it was important to him, he would have built it. The moment he as New Yorker, who used to cosy up to the clintons was taken serious as e publican candidate, he mostly dropped the topic of the wall. Ergo: his goal in using the wall was to appear more right wing on an issue where GOP hadn't delivered: immigration, and to make him look like a viable political candidate, despite most experience being in real estate.

By early 2019 it was clear he wasnt going to deliver jack shit but his base kept coping much like obama's base would cope with the fact he didnt end the wars like he promised and in fact went apeshit with the drone attacks and arab spring thus making sure we wouldnt lack new enemies. People forget isis first appeared during his first term and were specially active during the second.

My point is trump could've done the same in 2004, just say he is going to bring the troops home, medicare for all..........what else was popular back then? I was too young to give that much of a fuck

And if by mere change he actually won the 2004 election he would still get fucked during the 2008 meltdown and possibly losing to mccain and palin.

Imagine the left and liberals coping and seething because trump lost the election and the gop is back in power.

 

[Lemmingwise]

My point is trump could've done the same in 2004, just say he is going to bring the troops home, medicare for all..........what else was popular back then?

Closing guantanamo bay, bringing transparency to the whole medicare for all by livestreaming all negotiations... those are Obama promises I remember.

 

[Syaoran Li]

It's so lame that people try to retroactively apply derangement syndrome to other people.

With Obama and Bush, there were forerunners that could be seen as BDS and ODS, but they were a lot more partisan and confined to certain circles, a lot less widespread and both presidents were legitimately terrible presidents.

Trump's not that good of a president but he was far better than Bush or Obama.

Obama Derangement Syndrome was confined largely to talk radio and Fox News and it was pretty ridiculous in its own right. Obama was a neoliberal corporatist from Hawaii as opposed to a socialist Islamist from Kenya.

Obama gladly used the nascent Woke Left to bring down Occupy Wall Street before it could centralize and organize into a viable populist and anti-corporatist movement, but he's a neolib through and through. Clinton and Obama's friendships with people like Bill Ayers and Susan Rosenberg have more to do with the fact that Bill Clinton was a literal ex-hippie Boomer and Obama was an Early Gen X'er who was raised on the romanticized version of the Civil Rights Movement and the hippie counterculture of the 1960's.

Bush Derangement Syndrome was largely comprised of ribbing him for being a dumb redneck and the puppet of guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld, and didn't truly manifest until the 2004 election.

There was antiwar sentiment during Bush's first term, but it was deeply unpopular and even Hollywood told Michael Moore to shut the fuck up when he publicly condemned the invasion of Iraq.

There was uproar over the 2000 election and Bush v. Gore but for the most part, the MSM gave Bush a free pass on a lot of things after 9/11. The 2004 election was when things began to change since not only did Bush win a second term, he did so with the popular vote and it was a last hurrah for the Religious Right, who had become hated by the majority of the country by that point.

Even then, most of the mainstream BDS stuff was mocking him for being a dumb moron and the "Bush is literally Hitler!" was relegated to the fringe of conspiracy theorists, fedora-tipping atheists, and edgy punk and emo kids on MySpace.

Conspiracy theorists were often depicted as left-wing and the 9/11 Truthers were almost entirely comprised of progressives and far-left types. "Zeitgeist: The Movie" and "Loose Change" are prime examples of that mentality. Alex Jones was unique at the time since he was the only high-profile conspiracy theorist in the 2000's who was right-wing and wasn't a geezer throwback like Hal Turner or Jack Chick.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Obama was a neoliberal corporatist from Hawaii as opposed to a socialist Islamist from Kenya.

I was a huge Obama supporter at the time.

I also remember plenty of the zany rhetoric. What's that radio host name, Rush Limbaugh? Plenty of it.

With that said, his own book described him as being born in Kenya before they changed it and the official birth certificate that the US gov site offered for download is the fakest thing I've seen. I suppose it was one of those early "you know I'm lying and can't do anything about it" like this election fraud. A show of power. The image had layers. There is no conceivable reason why it should have, beyond it being fabricated.

On top of that, his wife is a man. He's called him Michael a number of times. You could see the testicles dangle in the Ellen dance. Joan Rivers dies shortly after saying Michelle is transgender, during a dentist appointment.

And this is what convinced me more than anything of this initially hard to believe idea of Michelle being a man: each of these videos were suppressed online in a sophisticated way and other videos were put up that seemed like the video you're looking for, without showing any if the evidence.

I don't think it is unusual for politicians to have a public image that is at odds with their actual life. But if you're going to apply derangement syndrome to it, you should aim it at the mass delusion that this is some ordinary everyman. Much like the idea that Bush is some awe shucks barbecue guy (a false image he cultivated for his base, not a false image invented by liberals) or that Trump is a christian.

But it's still lame to apply it retroactively, like calling slaveholders racist or slave revolts communist. Those terms do not belong in that time and people of that time did not use that lens to view the world.

 

[cybertoaster]

With Obama and Bush, there were forerunners that could be seen as BDS and ODS, but they were a lot more partisan and confined to certain circles, a lot less widespread and both presidents were legitimately terrible presidents.

Trump's not that good of a president but he was far better than Bush or Obama.

Obama Derangement Syndrome was confined largely to talk radio and Fox News and it was pretty ridiculous in its own right. Obama was a neoliberal corporatist from Hawaii as opposed to a socialist Islamist from Kenya.

Obama gladly used the nascent Woke Left to bring down Occupy Wall Street before it could centralize and organize into a viable populist and anti-corporatist movement, but he's a neolib through and through. Clinton and Obama's friendships with people like Bill Ayers and Susan Rosenberg have more to do with the fact that Bill Clinton was a literal ex-hippie Boomer and Obama was an Early Gen X'er who was raised on the romanticized version of the Civil Rights Movement and the hippie counterculture of the 1960's.

Bush Derangement Syndrome was largely comprised of ribbing him for being a dumb redneck and the puppet of guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld, and didn't truly manifest until the 2004 election.

There was antiwar sentiment during Bush's first term, but it was deeply unpopular and even Hollywood told Michael Moore to shut the fuck up when he publicly condemned the invasion of Iraq.

There was uproar over the 2000 election and Bush v. Gore but for the most part, the MSM gave Bush a free pass on a lot of things after 9/11. The 2004 election was when things began to change since not only did Bush win a second term, he did so with the popular vote and it was a last hurrah for the Religious Right, who had become hated by the majority of the country by that point.

Even then, most of the mainstream BDS stuff was mocking him for being a dumb moron and the "Bush is literally Hitler!" was relegated to the fringe of conspiracy theorists, fedora-tipping atheists, and edgy punk and emo kids on MySpace.

Conspiracy theorists were often depicted as left-wing and the 9/11 Truthers were almost entirely comprised of progressives and far-left types. "Zeitgeist: The Movie" and "Loose Change" are prime examples of that mentality. Alex Jones was unique at the time since he was the only high-profile conspiracy theorist in the 2000's who was right-wing and wasn't a geezer throwback like Hal Turner or Jack Chick.

I used to be in a lot of what would be far-left movements att but for todays sanity standards we would be centre at best since none of this genders and pronouns shit existed and we said 'nigga' a lot to each other while calling out racists of every color not just whites, but we were the "far-left" because we didnt like the iraq war from even before it began and we laughed at fundies simping for dubya.

In my defense I was barely a teen but it goes to show you how being inside an online bubble can mess up your perception of reality. Like it wasnt a big deal for me when bush won again, but I was still surprised he was that popular given the massive shit that had happened. I guess nobody realized how retarded dubya was until katrina, too bad it happened a year after that.

I remember a lot of people in my circle thinking dubya was actually going to be impeached and removed. Then when obama won that he would send bush to jail, which of course didnt happen and makes me think biden isn't going to send trump to exile like some wokies are furiously masturbating to right now

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

If I remember correctly, Trump was originally running as an independent or possibly democrat. He only changed to republican because he knew he wasn't going to beat Hillary in the democrat crop of potentials. Republicans also hated Trump but got behind him because he started to build up steam and clout for the republicans...wish the democrats would do the same with Bernie.

 

[cybertoaster]

I think after cucking out of two primaries and endorsing the rivals that fucked him over its very likely bernie was always controlled opposition meant to keep the socialists in the party from splintering off and taking those votes with them

Is like trump, had he run as indie the gop would've lost a ton of votes and if this trump party continued to exist the gop would never win an election again

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Is like trump, had he run as indie the gop would've lost a ton of votes and if this trump party continued to exist the gop would never win an election again

Good. Betrayal is the greatest sin and should be met with the harshest punishment.