Debate Mr Cool Ice on how artificial hormones are totally the solution to her being a fat chick with GOTIS

[Mr. Cool ICE]

Alright I don't want to late-respond on your expose in the YT commentary thread but just to confirm this is you right?
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If you are going to use trickery for prescriptions I would recommend ADHD/stimulants first and foremost. Even if it started in the same "bad touch" kind of place the troonism did, you in all likelihood lack the self-control to actually put the fork down. Get a gym membership (you can shower there too!) and eliminate carbs from your diet. Yes, entirely. You were right when you said you look nothing like Deorrio, and you're right. You somehow made him look masculine in comparison. Andy Milonakis is close, but he literally has a HGH deficiency.

Which brings me right back around to what you really need for your delusional wants. You're looking for the giant "hypertrophy" bodybuilders and you want them to set you up with some Operation Paperclip level gear. Your bones will crumble by 50 or your heart will still explode but you might actually make it to some kind of masculine. "Butch" is setting the bar unreasonably high for where your Aiden-ass is now.

Look I SAID I would stop posting. I SAID I would log off and never come back on Kiwi, but one last reply because I'm actually MATI and shaking.
I'm prediabetic, or at least that's what my doctor implied when I last got my blood drawn last year. Obviously my move out of state fucked me over and I haven't had it drawn in about a year. Medical sperging aside, no, I refuse to put the fork down. And exercise is genuinely painful and I hate it. I refuse to join a gym.
As for medication, I do not have ADHD and the only drugs I "abuse" are weed and alcohol. A lot of alcohol. I have two prescription medications; Zoloft (200mg) and Risperdal (1.5mg), which I thought it was 15mg at first because my eyes fucked with me.
I know you're crying, screaming, for me to not start HRT, that your poor "lesbian" isn't gonna stay a fucking foid. I don't care what bad reactions I get, but my medications quite literally cause me to be incapable of sexual attraction. I'm not a lesbian, but I'm not attracted to men, either. I don't care what you think about my identity, what you think of troons, just don't assume what I want.
I do not want to become muscular. Muscles are fucking disgusting, putrid things that looks horrible on anybody, male or female. A blight on people's body. How I feel about exercise, you feel about trooning out. But we can agree to disagree. I do what I want, you do what you want.
The way I see it, is that even if I'm still a woman to certain people, at least I'll be happy with myself, first and foremost. If I'm not, feel free to say you were right.

 

[DumbDude42]

The way I see it, is that even if I'm still a woman to certain people, at least I'll be happy with myself, first and foremost

larping as a moid will not make you happy with yourself no matter how far you take it. all it will get you is love bombing from other trannies and their sycophants, which feels good in the moment but has no value in the long term because it is not genuine.

 

[BelUwUga]

Look I SAID I would stop posting. I SAID I would log off and never come back on Kiwi, but one last reply because I'm actually MATI and shaking.
I'm prediabetic, or at least that's what my doctor implied when I last got my blood drawn last year. Obviously my move out of state fucked me over and I haven't had it drawn in about a year. Medical sperging aside, no, I refuse to put the fork down. And exercise is genuinely painful and I hate it. I refuse to join a gym.
As for medication, I do not have ADHD and the only drugs I "abuse" are weed and alcohol. A lot of alcohol. I have two prescription medications; Zoloft (200mg) and Risperdal (1.5mg), which I thought it was 15mg at first because my eyes fucked with me.
I know you're crying, screaming, for me to not start HRT, that your poor "lesbian" isn't gonna stay a fucking foid. I don't care what bad reactions I get, but my medications quite literally cause me to be incapable of sexual attraction. I'm not a lesbian, but I'm not attracted to men, either. I don't care what you think about my identity, what you think of troons, just don't assume what I want.
I do not want to become muscular. Muscles are fucking disgusting, putrid things that looks horrible on anybody, male or female. A blight on people's body. How I feel about exercise, you feel about trooning out. But we can agree to disagree. I do what I want, you do what you want.
The way I see it, is that even if I'm still a woman to certain people, at least I'll be happy with myself, first and foremost. If I'm not, feel free to say you were right.

I cannot rate posts but know what I bolded is probably the most delusionally optimistic thing I've read in a while. Typical hysterical woman, I go out of my way to help you and here you are literally shaking because I didn't use kid gloves. That's why I know you'll never be happy. I'm giving you probably the best results-oriented advice there is. You would likely be dead by 60 but I feel that is a foregone conclusion regardless of what is done in your case. You have managed to hit close to home on some points, so my sister in Christ please read this:
- Zoloft is the devil's drug and you are on a horse dose my friend. Your apathy about being an adipose blob. Your delusional rationalization of muscles disgusting you. Your lack of motivation to work out. Likelly all attributable to this. Do not stop it cold turkey. Not all SSRIs are bad, you may really need them. But shit is not working my friend and I wish someone had said to me years ago what I am saying to you now about it.
- You don't write like a schizo. So is the Risperdal for 'tism or bipolar? It will make you retain weight like a motherfucker. Tardive dyskenisia is no walk in the park.

I'm prediabetic

Motherfucker you're a king size candy bar from rolling into the local ER DKA. Carbs become sugar as you digest them and that is why I am recommending such extraordinary measures to get your weight down. I almost died finding out I was diabetic because I fell and couldn't get up to get my phone. It was days in the ICU being almost ignored for the COVID patients dying around me. I was managing it with diet alone <90 days post-hospitalization. It literally just takes not being an unrepentant, brain-dead glutton.
- You're stacking psych meds and alcohol on top of all this already going on. To summarize it for you: RIP your liver if you stick to this, HRT or otherwise.

I'm not sure where you think I called you a lesbian, I only said butchy dykes are more masc than the genderblob you are. You are fat and if I was attracted to whatever you identify as I would not have sex with you. I take exception to you thinking I could look at you and think anything sexual. Man the fuck up like an FTM that wants to pass and wants to live and take this advice. It'll be the best thing for you. Or don't and continue to be a smouldering lipid-filled dumpster fire I can gawk and laugh at. Edit: look at this dumb Andy-milonakis-looking bitch:

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

larping as a moid will not make you happy with yourself no matter how far you take it. all it will get you is love bombing from other trannies and their sycophants, which feels good in the moment but has no value in the long term because it is not genuine.

I have no interest in maintaining a friendship with any trannies. I don't get along whatsoever with most, because I'm a transmed, or at least get accused of it a lot. Those that do stick by me and don't baby me are chill. I don't need people praising the ground I walk on. I hate that shit.
My problem with TERFs isn't even that they're anti-trans. It's that they're feminists. That's it I fucking despise feminists with a burning passion. LibFem, RadFem or otherwise, I hate you equally.

I go out of my way to help you and here you are literally shaking because I didn't use kid gloves.

Not necessarily. Remember the pre shit later on? I ate a few hours ago, a very large burger and my mom & sister's fries, and was still hungry. I started shaking a few hours later, this simply exasperated my hunger, so I'm eating right now.

That's why I know you'll never be happy. I'm giving you probably the best results-oriented advice there is. You would likely be dead by 60 but I feel that is a foregone conclusion regardless of what is done in your case.

I'll be dead by 50 considering my genetics alone. I have no intention of having a long life. It's not in my favor.

- Zoloft is the devil's drug and you are on a horse dose my friend. Your apathy about being an adipose blob. Your delusional rationalization of muscles disgusting you. Your lack of motivation to work out. Likelly all attributable to this. Do not stop it cold turkey. Not all SSRIs are bad, you may really need them. But shit is not working my friend and I wish someone had said to me years ago what I am saying to you now about it.

...I was prescribed it because as a child, I tried to strangle two other kids.
I was extremely violent as a child. Stabbing with pencils, threatening my father with a daggar, after having cut myself up; repeated self harm, repeated suicide attempts, physically assaulting and battering multiple kids at multiple schools repeatedly, and so on. This led to me getting the maximum legal dose.

- You don't write like a schizo. So is the Risperdal for 'tism or bipolar? It will make you retain weight like a motherfucker. Tardive dyskenisia is no walk in the park.

Ironically? Both. Technically. I have Autism, that's why it was initially diagnosed. The events above also lead to me getting the medication. I tend to think people are planning to kill me and am extremely emotionally unstable without it. Explosive anger, mostly. But my mood disorder is MDNOS-- in other words, Mood Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.

Motherfucker you're a king size candy bar from rolling into the local ER DKA.

No clue what that means.

Carbs become sugar as you digest them and that is why I am recommending such extraordinary measures to get your weight down. I almost died finding out I was diabetic because I fell and couldn't get up to get my phone. It was days in the ICU being almost ignored for the COVID patients dying around me. I was managing it with diet alone <90 days post-hospitalization.

I'm so sorry you went through that. I don't know you, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

It literally just takes not being an unrepentant, brain-dead glutton.

Well, I already failed that.

- You're stacking psych meds and alcohol on top of all this already going on. To summarize it for you: RIP your liver if you stick to this, HRT or otherwise.

I absolutely agree, RIP my liver.

I'm not sure where you think I called you a lesbian, I only said butchy dykes are more masc than the genderblob you are.

I misunderstood. Sorry.

You are fat and if I was attracted to whatever you identify as I would not have sex with you. I take exception to you thinking I could look at you and think anything sexual. Man the fuck up like an FTM that wants to pass and wants to live and take this advice. It'll be the best thing for you. Or don't and continue to be a smouldering lipid-filled dumpster fire I can gawk and laugh at.

I'll take what I can to pass, but I refuse to exercise.
Also, holy fuck I really do look like him.

 

[BelUwUga]

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DKA=Diabetic Ketoacidosis. When you are a fat fuck, eventually insulin stops working. Your blood sugar is uncontrolled. Too little and you feel like shit and pass out. Too much, especially over a long time sends you into DKA. Organs take a shitload of damage, you eventually fall into a coma, and die. I get not counting on things lasting but you're actively shortening what precious time you will have. Psychiatrists will keep on keeping on or "yes and" harmful medications if you don't advocate for yourself. Not-suicidal is really all the aim for, not living well. Focus on doing things which will make future-you better off, which HRT or sperging on the farms will not.

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

DKA=Diabetic Ketoacidosis. When you are a fat fuck, eventually insulin stops working. Your blood sugar is uncontrolled. Too little and you feel like shit and pass out. Too much, especially over a long time sends you into DKA. Organs take a shitload of damage, you eventually fall into a coma, and die. I get not counting on things lasting but you're actively shortening what precious time you will have. Psychiatrists will keep on keeping on or "yes and" harmful medications if you don't advocate for yourself. Not-suicidal is really all the aim for, not living well. Focus on doing things which will make future-you better off, which HRT or sperging on the farms will not.

HRT is absolutely going to help, even in the short term. And I only recently realized I'm actually rather fat, if I recall correctly, fatter than CWC at his heaviest. And yeah I get really fucked up if I'm not constantly eating something. I've never had a bad experience with doctors, so why would I now?

 

[BelUwUga]

I've never had a bad experience with doctors, so why would I now?

In the vanishingly small chance this is serious, are you intending to keep trying until you do? HRT is just going to make you a fat bearded lady, and I really doubt that is how your dysphoria makes you feel. Look at our SRS and GRS surgeon's thread, or the Munchhausen's By Internet to see a horror-show of people that loved their experience with doctors.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

HRT is absolutely going to help, even in the short term. And I only recently realized I'm actually rather fat, if I recall correctly, fatter than CWC at his heaviest. And yeah I get really fucked up if I'm not constantly eating something. I've never had a bad experience with doctors, so why would I now?

HRT wont change your feelings, nor will it make you a happier person. It will push production of endorphins for a few months, like any number of drugs, then you'll be just as miserable, with your brain slowly rotting as your neurons get obliterated by cross sex hormones they cannot tolerate.

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

In the vanishingly small chance this is serious, are you intending to keep trying until you do? HRT is just going to make you a fat bearded lady, and I really doubt that is how your dysphoria makes you feel. Look at our SRS and GRS surgeon's thread, or the Munchhausen's By Internet to see a horror-show of people that loved their experience with doctors.

I am serious, I just got a PCP for my new state, and plan on getting referred to an endocrinologist ASAP. I have never had a bad doctor, I doubt I ever will. It won't make me a "fat bearded lady," and even if it did, HRT will fix my major problems with my body. My voice, my fat distribution, my body hair, past that I plan to go as I go along, I don't want SRS until I'm years on HRT or there's a technological advancement in that regard.

HRT wont change your feelings, nor will it make you a happier person. It will push production of endorphins for a few months, like any number of drugs, then you'll be just as miserable, with your brain slowly rotting as your neurons get obliterated by cross sex hormones they cannot tolerate.

Dude, my brain is already destroyed and nonfunctional. If it helps for a few months, it's better than nothing.

 

[SpumbleSplabloo]

Look I SAID I would stop posting. I SAID I would log off and never come back on Kiwi, but one last reply because I'm actually MATI and shaking.
I'm prediabetic, or at least that's what my doctor implied when I last got my blood drawn last year. Obviously my move out of state fucked me over and I haven't had it drawn in about a year. Medical sperging aside, no, I refuse to put the fork down. And exercise is genuinely painful and I hate it. I refuse to join a gym.
As for medication, I do not have ADHD and the only drugs I "abuse" are weed and alcohol. A lot of alcohol. I have two prescription medications; Zoloft (200mg) and Risperdal (1.5mg), which I thought it was 15mg at first because my eyes fucked with me.
I know you're crying, screaming, for me to not start HRT, that your poor "lesbian" isn't gonna stay a fucking foid. I don't care what bad reactions I get, but my medications quite literally cause me to be incapable of sexual attraction. I'm not a lesbian, but I'm not attracted to men, either. I don't care what you think about my identity, what you think of troons, just don't assume what I want.
I do not want to become muscular. Muscles are fucking disgusting, putrid things that looks horrible on anybody, male or female. A blight on people's body. How I feel about exercise, you feel about trooning out. But we can agree to disagree. I do what I want, you do what you want.
The way I see it, is that even if I'm still a woman to certain people, at least I'll be happy with myself, first and foremost. If I'm not, feel free to say you were right.

I'm surprised no one has addressed the elephant (lol fat) in the room yet. If you don't really give a fuck feel free to continue doing so, but if you're serious about making changes start by trying to wean yourself off alcohol. I'm not one of those obnoxious "I stopped drinking for 30 days and feel like a new person" people, but based on what you've shared alcohol is absolutely not doing you any favors. People consistently underestimate how sugary and fattening alcohol is, consistent overuse will make you more lethargic and more depressed, you're mixing it with medications that it doesn't play well with, and you're damaging your liver. Don't cold turkey it or that might also kill you, but attempting to cut back if you're as heavy a user as you seem to be implying will help you on all fronts. The liver damage will also make HRT harder on your body, so if you need a defined reason to cut back, there you go.

 

[BelUwUga]

I am serious, I just got a PCP for my new state, and plan on getting referred to an endocrinologist ASAP. I have never had a bad doctor, I doubt I ever will. It won't make me a "fat bearded lady," and even if it did, HRT will fix my major problems with my body. My voice, my fat distribution, my body hair, past that I plan to go as I go along, I don't want SRS until I'm years on HRT or there's a technological advancement in that regard.

Dude, my brain is already destroyed and nonfunctional. If it helps for a few months, it's better than nothing.

While I would say I've had a couple genuinely bad practitioners, I can tell you a lot of fantastic doctors were doing their level best while I went through a horror-show level bad time. This isn't a pill to replace actual effort. Your voice? Smoking and a voice coach will be healthier, cheaper, and more effective than reverse-titty-skittles. Fat distribution- what possible change can there be when there is a morbid surplus everywhere already. It's why I'm saying you need a diet, gym time, and off the zombie pills. HRT as a troon-focused endo does it is giving you all of the worst options vis a vis hair in the male/female venn diagram.

I wasn't joking when I said talk to roidheads. There is a wealth of "field research" that's actually results oriented and these motherfuckers aren't afraid of putting in effort so they likely did some actual research. Nothing is going to make you a bodybuilder but this might actually proffer some benefit with the risk you're all-too-happy to accept. The same doctors that have had you zonked out on pills since your age was single digits are going to do the same thing with HRT and it is not going to get better. Better people aren't profitable. A prolonged and worsening spiral is very profitable. I frankly don't care if you take this advice. I just want to make sure there is someone who is giving you the facts of what your intentions will manifest. If you go begging for sympathy down the road you cannot say nobody told you this would happen.

 

[BelUwUga]

I'm not morbidly obese.

Morbidly obese hands typed this lie. If you're not squarely in the morbid obesity BMI range you're riding the border.

And my insurance covers HRT, and I'm planning on getting gel, not some shitty DIY shit or pills.

lol enjoy the vaginal atrophy if liver failure doesn't get you first. Whoever's encouraging this has mentioned that right? These are known issues for people whose life revolves around (mostly successfully) fucking around with these pharmaceuticals. Again, not healthy, but you won't be pissing yourself in diapers. What good bits are you expecting?

Big Pharma

Wut? Do you mean partaking? You have for years and are asking for more. That they care about making money with their science than they do about you, an individual's health? That'd scan for the level of delusional you apparently are.
Editing to add: My primary advice was/is diet focused fatty. You'll never outrun/outlift a bad diet. Also your womanly bird-like bones and joints couldn't handle throwing that much weight around. Try swimming. Well-suited for whales.

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

Morbidly obese hands typed this lie. If you're not squarely in the morbid obesity BMI range you're riding the border.

I've got a BMI of 33, if I recall correctly. 5'9, just under 220lbs. I may eat like an absolute hog, but I'm not morbidly obese, just mildly so. At least, I think I'm 5'9. I was 5'8 when I got measured a year ago, and have definitely grown in height since then.

lol enjoy the vaginal atrophy if liver failure doesn't get you first. Whoever's encouraging this has mentioned that right? These are known issues for people whose life revolves around (mostly successfully) fucking around with these pharmaceuticals.

Yes, I've had both brought up to me. I have no interest in sex, but I know atrophy ranges from uncomfortable to painful even for those who don't fuck. It's a price I'm willing to pay. As for my liver, my medications and alcoholic tendencies certainly don't help, but I can always ween myself off and at least prevent it. Even if not, I'm willing to pay the price to be a man, or at least look like and be referred to as one.

Wut? Do you mean partaking?

No, I mean Big Pharma doesn't exist in the first place. It's a conspiracy started by MLM types as well as commies.

Editing to add: My primary advice was/is diet focused fatty. You'll never outrun/outlift a bad diet.

Essentially, I'll never lose the weight because I start jittering and salivating if I'm not constantly stuffing my face?

Also your womanly bird-like bones and joints couldn't handle throwing that much weight around.

My joints and bones can handle my weight perfectly fine. However, I'm not swimming because I hate water. It's deep, it's terrifying, it's usually disgusting.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Look I SAID I would stop posting. I SAID I would log off and never come back on Kiwi, but one last reply because I'm actually MATI and shaking.
I'm prediabetic, or at least that's what my doctor implied when I last got my blood drawn last year. Obviously my move out of state fucked me over and I haven't had it drawn in about a year. Medical sperging aside, no, I refuse to put the fork down. And exercise is genuinely painful and I hate it. I refuse to join a gym.
As for medication, I do not have ADHD and the only drugs I "abuse" are weed and alcohol. A lot of alcohol. I have two prescription medications; Zoloft (200mg) and Risperdal (1.5mg), which I thought it was 15mg at first because my eyes fucked with me.
I know you're crying, screaming, for me to not start HRT, that your poor "lesbian" isn't gonna stay a fucking foid. I don't care what bad reactions I get, but my medications quite literally cause me to be incapable of sexual attraction. I'm not a lesbian, but I'm not attracted to men, either. I don't care what you think about my identity, what you think of troons, just don't assume what I want.
I do not want to become muscular. Muscles are fucking disgusting, putrid things that looks horrible on anybody, male or female. A blight on people's body. How I feel about exercise, you feel about trooning out. But we can agree to disagree. I do what I want, you do what you want.
The way I see it, is that even if I'm still a woman to certain people, at least I'll be happy with myself, first and foremost. If I'm not, feel free to say you were right.

I hate pharma and all it stands for. So I never suggest this. But this time it REALLY is appropriate: please talk to your doctor about bupropion-naltrexone, generic for Contrave. The bupropion is an atypical antidepressant (brand name Wellbutrin in the USA) that has a mildly activating effect without jacking you up like ADHD meds. The naltrexone is a lowish dose in the combo. It's a drug used to help opiate addicts and alcoholics get sober. When these drugs are prescribed together they are very effective- in tandem with not eating like a hog, of course- in effecting modest weight loss. BUT, more importantly, they will also improve your mood and help break the spell of compulsive, addictive behaviors. That includes compulsive overeating, compulsive internet use, and fixations on things like oh, trooning out.

If you find that after a year on medication working to improve your diet and control your depression you are just as fixated on trooning out as ever, you can reevaluate then. You will be in a better place to do so, and less likely for your heart to instantly explode like a sausage in the microwave when you start (inadvisably) taking testosterone.

You clearly have an issue with compulsive behaviors right now, and emotional regulation. Try giving it a year actively working to get those things under control and see where you are.

I will tell you this: men look on soft little fat guys who talk big and mean about "foids" as pathetic trolls. When it's obvious the "soft little fat guy" is actually a girl trying to "be one of the guys" you won't get hit with the same overt contempt. But here's why- you're being spared because it's not nice to hit a girl, physically or verbally. Everyone is just quietly disgusted and hoping you will leave.

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

I hate pharma and all it stands for. So I never suggest this. But this time it REALLY is appropriate: please talk to your doctor about bupropion-naltrexone, generic for Contrave. The bupropion is an atypical antidepressant (brand name Wellbutrin in the USA) that has a mildly activating effect without jacking you up like ADHD meds.

Interesting!

The naltrexone is a lowish dose in the combo. It's a drug used to help opiate addicts and alcoholics get sober.

Honestly, I might need it, just for that alone!

When these drugs are prescribed together they are very effective- in tandem with not eating like a hog, of course- in effecting modest weight loss.

Damn, considering my Risperdal is likely why my appetite is massive, maybe it'll counterbalance?

BUT, more importantly, they will also improve your mood and help break the spell of compulsive, addictive behaviors. That includes compulsive overeating, compulsive internet use, and fixations on things like oh, trooning out.

Holy shit, thank you! I've got clinically diagnosed OCD so my compulsive behaviors are above and beyond. I have two people begging me to stay off this site for my own good, but the compulsive internet use makes that excruciatingly hard. It's not that I'm not trying, I'm genuinely just not in control.

If you find that after a year on medication working to improve your diet and control your depression you are just as fixated on trooning out as ever, you can reevaluate then.

Thank you! I've been told by multiple people in my real/personal life that while they think I genuinely have dysphoria, my compulsive overthinking about trooning is extremely disturbing, or at the very least aggravating; even if they sympathize with my very obvious pain.

You will be in a better place to do so, and less likely for your heart to instantly explode like a sausage in the microwave when you start (inadvisably) taking testosterone.

Yeah, I'm sure my clogged arteries also don't help. (lol) But my heart could also be in an infinitely worse place, I'm grateful that my worst heart problem is just slightly high blood pressure. (122/63)

You clearly have an issue with compulsive behaviors right now, and emotional regulation. Try giving it a year actively working to get those things under control and see where you are.

Thank you!

I will tell you this: men look on soft little fat guys who talk big and mean about "foids" as pathetic trolls.

I don't genuinely hate women, but my compulsive need to rag on feminism is more of a defense mechanism than anything. Unlike most trannies, my hatred for radical feminism isn't even because of trans issues, they're the exception. Most people may not like trannies, that doesn't affect my personal life. However, feminism has gone too far in recent years, and most transmen want to be excluded from their women's rights shit, especially since in 1st world countries, women tend to have the pussy pass and that makes them, on a technicality, have more rights than biological males.

When it's obvious the "soft little fat guy" is actually a girl trying to "be one of the guys" you won't get hit with the same overt contempt. But here's why- you're being spared because it's not nice to hit a girl, physically or verbally. Everyone is just quietly disgusted and hoping you will leave.

I'm fully aware of that. Even on testosterone, transmen take years to come close to passing. Then, some people will just see them as burly women after the fact. And that's okay. Political sperging aside, I'll try to work on my personal issues with feminism.

 

[BelUwUga]

Even if not, I'm willing to pay the price to be a man, or at least look like and be referred to as one.

You really do not get how you just ooze (gross and fat) femininity do you?
I get how touchy women are about weight so I won't say I don't believe you there but that BMI does not scan. You're not 5'9" and someone not morbidly obese doesn't have extra chins consuming their neck like that.

Since I know Zoloft can do this, I am not sure if you're actually buying the bullshit you're readily trying to sell. Nobody believes it and there is probably a desperate/angry part of yourself that knows none of this is true. You're past turning things around and undoing the damage done here. Major and immediate life changes are to hopefully get your ass past 40. I'm not talking about sex. I'm really not so much even talking about appearance. I'm talking about acute and immediate effects that are going to bring none of the positives you want.

I'm done giving you advice or sharing my observations directly. When you're alone, surrounded by machines and patients begging in agony, remember someone was 100% honest about the inevitability of it. Somebody took the time to point out the bed you're making before you only have the option to lie in it. Whatever happened and whatever you've done can still be mitigated. Some consequences will be there for life but everyone has shit like that. You're angling to cross a Rubicon you cannot come back from.

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

You really do not get how you just ooze (gross and fat) femininity do you?

Not at all, cunt.

I get how touchy women are about weight so I won't say I don't believe you there but that BMI does not scan. You're not 5'9" and someone not morbidly obese doesn't have extra chins consuming their neck like that.

I'm not lying, I'm genuinely that tall and weigh that much. Almost none of my body fat is in my breasts or ass, it goes elsewhere. All things considered, my ass almost nips in. Obviously, it's gotta go somewhere, and I unfortunately carry that shit heavily in the face. I'm lucky enough go only have one extra chin.

Since I know Zoloft can do this, I am not sure if you're actually buying the bullshit you're readily trying to sell. Nobody believes it and there is probably a desperate/angry part of yourself that knows none of this is true.

Zoloft can do what? I don't get it. And I'm not fucking lying, I'm 100% serious.

You're past turning things around and undoing the damage done here.

What's that mean?

Major and immediate life changes are to hopefully get your ass past 40.

I don't want to. I don't want to be alive as-is.

I'm not talking about sex. I'm really not so much even talking about appearance. I'm talking about acute and immediate effects that are going to bring none of the positives you want.

I don't get it.

I'm done giving you advice or sharing my observations directly. When you're alone, surrounded by machines and patients begging in agony, remember someone was 100% honest about the inevitability of it. Somebody took the time to point out the bed you're making before you only have the option to lie in it.

Oh shut the fuck up. That'll never happen.

Whatever happened and whatever you've done can still be mitigated. Some consequences will be there for life but everyone has shit like that. You're angling to cross a Rubicon you cannot come back from.

No clue what that means, oh well.
And as for @Apis mellifera, I don't believe you had dysphoria. The reason I don't believe that is because male and female socialization doesn't exist, as well as the fact that no mental or neurological illness can be cured, with the exceptions of body dysmorphia and depression. For a lack of better words, the grand majority of other conditions are chronic, and will never go away. For real dysphoria, HRT typically helps, but therapy does absolutely nothing, and there is no cure-all. Your neurology is fucked up. And I'm not a fucking butch, and I have no interest in your fucking vulva cult. The only interest I have in it is watching the movement crash and burn in the wake of Roe v. Wade. I do not want to be included. We don't need feminism, even women don't need feminism.
I know I'm a natal female, I don't deny that because I'm not a tucute cunt. But HRT balances hormones for most trans people, and makes it consistent with the structure of their brain. I'm a transman, not a woman, but not male, either. And I'm okay with that.

 

[Furry Troon]

@Apis mellifera definitely a woman with that infodump

anyways, just look up trans voice lessons & do them halfway, you can talk like a butch woman again if you want

 

[BelUwUga]

Not at all, cunt.

Respect for giving some back instead of those stepford-style empathy-apologies. Learn how to read context, and don't use gendered insults without being intentionally emasculating, and you just might learn to banter like a dude.

Zoloft can do what? I don't get it. And I'm not fucking lying, I'm 100% serious.

Rationality gets replaced with apathy and the major depression gets held back at a constant moderate level. The longer you're on it the more detached from reality you'll be. Again I'm showing a wealth of patience because I've been through this, I denied it like you, and I still wish I had done more than dismiss those people in my life. You've likely long since alienated the people who would tell you this in real life.

I don't want to. I don't want to be alive as-is.

Nobody cares and more people are like that every day than you can imagine. People feel bad for the ones that suffer in silence and snap one day. People want to help one-off attempts with intervention. If all you do is whinge about how much you wish you weren't alive, do nothing to effect that, and take active steps to make the life you hate worse, people are going to rightly hate you for it. Helium tanks and CPAP masks are readily available and hypoxia is literally euphoric. If you wanted death instead of attention you'd have it.

Oh shut the fuck up. That'll never happen.

Is this the same person that typed the last sentence I quoted? Or is your bipolar that rapid cycling? You are abysmally unhealthy as is. At status quo this is a likely outcome for you within the decade. What you say your intentions are is pouring gasoline on this dumpster fire. It certainly isn't going to make the prognosis better. Honestly it seems more like you are angling to have your body shipped to a specialist crematorium because that burning fat would overheat standard models. You're an adipose androgynous blob and instead of changing it you're leaning into it.

 

[Apis mellifera]

@Apis mellifera definitely a woman with that infodump

Totally, lol. To think I could ever "be a man". When I write, I just don't stop, I think that I am pathologically incapable of shutting up.

And as for @Apis mellifera, I don't believe you had dysphoria. The reason I don't believe that is because male and female socialization doesn't exist, as well as the fact that no mental or neurological illness can be cured, with the exceptions of body dysmorphia and depression. For a lack of better words, the grand majority of other conditions are chronic, and will never go away. For real dysphoria, HRT typically helps, but therapy does absolutely nothing, and there is no cure-all. Your neurology is fucked up. And I'm not a fucking butch, and I have no interest in your fucking vulva cult. The only interest I have in it is watching the movement crash and burn in the wake of Roe v. Wade. I do not want to be included. We don't need feminism, even women don't need feminism.
I know I'm a natal female, I don't deny that because I'm not a tucute cunt. But HRT balances hormones for most trans people, and makes it consistent with the structure of their brain. I'm a transman, not a woman, but not male, either. And I'm okay with that.

Okay, no worries. I wish you had read all of what I said before telling me that I didn't experience gender dysphoria myself, when I displayed the lifetime of symptoms and psyche characteristics that caused doctors to diagnose me with GD. I do disagree with the assertion that male/female socialisation does not exist, because boys and men are treated differently than girls and women by family, institutions and society as a whole. These experiences shape one's psyche, this is socialisation. But I'm not keen on arguing about this. I was only trying to help by sharing what I wish I had heard when I was in shoes very similar to your own, because I wish I could spare people the anguish of GD and transitioning. I, too, believed it could help my symptoms, and it did for awhile. I wanted to be happy, and I believed that transitioning would give me that. Self-assurance comes from within, rather than from your external appearance and secondary sex characteristics. Please take care of yourself.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavours, and I really do hope you can find the peace and happiness that you are looking for.