Debate whether we have too many people on Earth or not enough - Anti-natalism ahoy!

Are there too many people on Earth for society to handle?


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Anonitolia

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As a great man once stated,

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But why? Why did Shinzo Abe, Prime Minister of the nation of Japan, demand that the Japanese people commence the act of copulation on a more common basis?

Well, as we all know, Japan is going to fucking die in the next hundred years.
It's got a population pyramid that looks like this
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and a record-low birthrate that's lending to such a stat quite heavily*.
*worth noting that this birthrate is actually increasing at the moment and is currently the highest in all of developed East Asia.

Not only that- Japan is not alone. Across civilized society, birthrates are plummeting and childbirth decreasing as more and more nations stray away from a surplus of sex. South Korea, most of Europe, America from Canada to Mexico- almost all these countries have replacement rates in the negative, and even countries like China and India- some of the most populated in the world- go lower and lower each year!

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Despite this, there is a counterargument to such a statement- one that states such a progression is not only natural and welcome, but actively good for the environment and a blessing in disguise.

This counterargument is known as anti-natalism: a position that states having children is not only a disservice to the children, but a disservice to Earth itself by way of harming its environment through aggregate consumption and excess waste. To be an anti-natalist often means to give up childbirth yourself and disapprove of those who do not.

The core of this position centers around the idea that human beings- especially those living in capitalist countries- would harm the planet by continuing to exist and expand in perpetuity-- forever. Many argue that 8 billion people is too many, and that the world would be better off with fewer of them. Not only the world, but the children they gave up on having.

They argue that, by not being born, these children have been spared of suffering a cruel world in which we may face total collapse or environmental breakdown due to our species not having enough resources to feed its expansive numbers.

There are different variations on anti-natalism- some as extreme as Kaczynski's creed (those who advocate for Total Human Death) and some as moderate as people simply choosing not to have children due to concerns about the planet's/their future- and I am not very well-versed in any of them, so I'll leave this brief summary there.

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Instead, I shall question how the fuck this thread doesn't exist yet. Anti-natalism has shot up in popularity as of late and I'm genuinely surprised that boost didn't come with its own dedicated screeching quarantine. Maybe it's just not as prevalent as politics? Or someone else just didn't bother to make it?

Regardless, now it exists. You can fight people over whether you should have kids or not here. Hopefully my write-up isn't too biased in one direction or another- I try not to touch this topic with a 7-foot-pole, but my position on the matter is pretty staunch regardless so I hope that didn't bleed into any information.

Anyways, yeah. Let the tantrums commence.
Sorry if this isn't the right place for this thread, I'm not entirely sure how the board works. Feel free to move it if necessary.
 
Honestly, which scenario would be the most likely to pose a threat to human reproduction?
>becoming gay/trooning out, ending your bloodline
>zoomies incapable of entering a relationship
>zoomies that manage to enter a relationship chose to not have a child anyways because it's too much work
>estrogenic materials (like plastics) entering the bodies of males and fucking up sperm production in the future
>incel and feminist sex wars that convinces their respective sexes that "they don't need no man/whore"
I don't think human reproduction is in much danger right now (though as seen in the OP depending on your race, it's a whole different story), but I think in the near future we will probably see a point where we may be limiting ourselves to reproducing before we would ever reach the "biological limit" of how many humans Earth could handle us.
 
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Anyways, yeah. Let the tantrums commence.
No.
Thou shall fuck and carry them fetuses to term.
I want a cozy pension and retirement funded by the post-zoomerinhos working their asses off, like we do.
We'll figure out the food and energy requirements. Maybe we'll just take over the "global souf" who has been getting uppity as of late and make it into a giant colony under AI killabot supervision that produces what "Global norf" needs.
 
There are too many people, but for human psychological reasons rather than faggy ecological ones - as relatively large animals that don't breed especially quickly, we were never meant to live as densely as we do. In the world we evolved in, you may have had a tribe, but it was trivial to leave temporarily and have effectively infinite space to yourself.

We don't have that anymore and I think it's been terrible for our well-being.
 
There aren't enough rainbows on the Farms to give you for this.
We'll figure out what buttons to push lmao.
Gonna make me an AI army and patrol the streets as a septuagenary decrepit half-zombie, just to make sure GenYMCA is hard at work
 
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but the people on the other end of the extreme are soulless bugmen who want to turn the world into Britain, which is a fate worse than death.
That's always funny to me(scary too since they're actually trying to do it right now and it's all the people in charge of everything). To save humanity we're going to cull the population to the low hundred millions and corale everyone into Kowloon walled city 2: electric boogaloo in the most resource poor areas in the planet to where we can't even fuel our cyberpunk dystopia we coom to in our dreams. Ignore how we're going to supply our AI giga walled city if the only fuel available is already expended and takes millions of years to form in the swamp, now ignore we won't even allow you to dig up the dormant volcanoes for fuel and minerals to maintain the dystopic city, the AI will somehow do all of that and we must do it all by 2030.
 
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You want state-mandated sex for some populations and HRH*#*FJ(J(DF for others.

The problems could work themselves out if the rich countries stop mass migration and foreign aid.
 
It's more nuanced than just one number being too big or small. There's not enough whites, and in white countries too many non-whites. So we need an increase in whites and redistrubtion of non-whites out of white countries.

So I guess overall, option 2.
 
Ignore how we're going to supply our AI giga walled city

Who's we? I think it's just gonna be the top dogs living in their floating AI managed city with replicators. While occasionally they fly down in their hovercars to grab some new child sex slaves from the slums, since they killed the last ones.
 
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Before the rise of technology, the best way to keep the population in check without harming the environment much, was war. A large number of people would stab each other to death, thus culling the population. Those who were strong, smart, and/or lucky enough to survive would continue to propagate the human race and pass on genes that would be advantageous to the next generation of warmongers, thus making both answers to this poll equally correct.

But now, with technology from the nuclear bomb to the highly advanced and specialized weapons given to rank and file solders these days; any attempt to force population control through natural means, like war, would most definitely damage the planet, or even wipe out more humans than necessary.

Regardless, I voted yes for the Evulz.
 
We have too many non whites and not enough whites.
I think a 0/100 shitskin to white ratio would be appropriate
 
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