Debate with the user "I Hate KiwiFarms" (who self admittedly had nothing to add to the thread) on British Age of Consent laws.

I Hate KiwiFarms

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Ethan is actually younger than Ryan by about 4 years or so (I have no exact Ryan DOB)


That image you posted says Ryan was born in 1997 (so he'd be 21 at the youngest in 2019), and it says that Ethan is older than Ryan? It seems like everyone involved in this were adults. I don't see where the grooming is going on here?

They're definitely into loli/shota, but the stuff they posted is pretty tame compared to stuff I've seen on 4chan & reddit.
 
I don't see where the grooming is going on here?
Ethan C Jones, the subject in question, is the grooming victim. It's all been documented in previous pages which I urge you to skim trough.

It's a case study of a grooming victim.
Click here 👇
I stopped because I realised in retrospect, that he had been likely been groomed into it by a older woman who first got in contact with him a couple of weeks before he turned 18, and that I wanted to gather every scrap of evidence I could in order to see whether if I was going mad.
 
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That image you posted says Ryan was born in 1997 (so he'd be 21 at the youngest in 2019), and it says that Ethan is older than Ryan? It seems like everyone involved in this were adults. I don't see where the grooming is going on here?

They're definitely into loli/shota, but the stuff they posted is pretty tame compared to stuff I've seen on 4chan & reddit.
If you've read part one, you can see that Julia got in contact with Ethan when he was still underage and you can see her acting like a complete degenerate around him before he turned 18.



Now, considering they're all over 18 NOW they can do whatever the fuck they want, but the problem and the reason why I went to the effort of sharing all of this info is because if you look at Julia, she is a shoe in for the predator mentality, and clearly has something wrong with her mentally which can be seen in how she perceived Ryan when in reality he's an abusive piece of shit and should be beaten with a bag of hammers until he gets his head out of his ass.

I've also been browsing 4chan since I was underage (do not do this) so I know exactly what kind of content you're talking about, but Julia has access to minors in her current position and some of the people I've blanked in the caps I shared were around 16/17 at the time the messages were posted.

Julia is an active danger and people should be cautious of her for that reason. Some of the servers she's in are teen boy hot spots and we all know that teenage boys are coom brained retards when left unsupervised online.

Ethan meanwhile, can go fuck himself (literally considering the shit he wants to post) and all I'll do is just mock him relentlessly here for it as he's an adult who should be self aware enough to know that posting your face online when your name is already out there is a great way to tank employment opportunities, and on top of that, he is the perfect example of what kind of target groomers look for, despite him having aged out of the standard age of preference.

If there's anything I want people to get out of these two posts aside from the facts that Julia is a sick fuck and Ethan was perfect prey, it's that they should learn the patterns predators use and learn to intercept them before things go to hell.
 
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Ethan C Jones, the subject in question, is the grooming victim. It's all been documented in previous pages which I urge you to skim trough.

It's a case study of a grooming victim.
Click here 👇
I wouldn't call it a case study. I think there's other stuff in this thread that'd be better examples of grooming (like maybe the posts about 13 year olds sending nudes).

If there is grooming going on, it wasn't demonstrated by the screenshots. Most of what she does is talk about shota. Very little of that is her trying to convince someone to try crossdressing. Being creepy isn't the same as being a groomer.

If you've read part one, you can see that Julia got in contact with Ethan when he was still underage and you can see her acting like a complete degenerate around him before he turned 18.



Now, considering they're all over 18 NOW they can do whatever the fuck they want, but the problem and the reason why I went to the effort of sharing all of this info is because if you look at Julia, she is a shoe in for the predator mentality, and clearly has something wrong with her mentally which can be seen in how she perceived Ryan when in reality he's an abusive piece of shit and should be beaten with a bag of hammers until he gets his head out of his ass.

I've also been browsing 4chan since I was underage (do not do this) so I know exactly what kind of content you're talking about, but Julia has access to minors in her current position and some of the people I've blanked in the caps I shared were around 16/17 at the time the messages were posted.
I know you said you reported her to the police, but it's worth noting that the age of consent is 16 in the UK.
 
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Most of what she does is talk about shota. Very little of that is her trying to convince someone to try crossdressing.
Is context a foreign concept to you or?

I'm just getting this from your insistence on them just being into cartoon porn:
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I get your points, but it's still worth documenting regardless. I think a 22 y/o hitting on a 17 y/o is pushing the envelope if not illegal and warrants suspicion personally. Ethan is over 18, he can do whatever the fuck he wants from the second he turned it, but it still doesn't discount any of the evidence I've presented and the points I've made.

age of consent is 16
Children's Act 1989/2004 says otherwise.
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Like I said before, I can only share what I have. I don't have access to any dms aside from what I've been given from others. You can call me a moralfag prude over it but Julia fits a documented groomer pattern and Ethan fits a documented victim pattern and you'd have to be nuts not to put two and two together.



I've been given confirmation as well that she behaves like this irl when she thinks she can get away with it. That backs up a lot of my analysis of her behaviour.
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Look, idk if you're here to simp for her or cape for Ethan or whatever, my point is that it's one big long fucked up example of shit that's happening more and more and it's necessary to show people so they can stop this shit from happening again in future. You've been posting almost exclusively in both this thread and the Byuu thread, and the debated suicide of Byuu is suspiciously one of the subjects Ethan threw a massive temper tantrum in my DMs over when the shitstorm was happening. Curious.

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Ethan can't just go on KF himself, that would be fucking crazy!
 
Children's Act 1989/2004 says otherwise.
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There are protections against those with a position of authority (like teachers) having sex with 16/17 year olds in the UK, but for other people it's legal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#United_Kingdom_and_Crown_dependencies

Those acts seem to be about other stuff
Is context a foreign concept to you or?

I'm just getting this from your insistence on them just being into cartoon porn:
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I get your points, but it's still worth documenting regardless. I think a 22 y/o hitting on a 17 y/o is pushing the envelope if not illegal and warrants suspicion personally. Ethan is over 18, he can do whatever the fuck he wants from the second he turned it, but it still doesn't discount any of the evidence I've presented and the points I've made.
I've been given confirmation as well that she behaves like this irl when she thinks she can get away with it. That backs up a lot of my analysis of her behaviour.
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It was just nowhere near as shocking to me as other stuff in this thread. Like the screencaps of tweens offering to send people nudes.

The most concerning stuff there, what you were saying about her potentially having a pattern of approaching minors in real life, is buried under hundreds of screen caps of other stuff.
You've been posting almost exclusively in both this thread and the Byuu thread, and the debated suicide of Byuu is suspiciously one of the subjects Ethan threw a massive temper tantrum in my DMs over when the shitstorm was happening. Curious.

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Ethan can't just go on KF himself, that would be fucking crazy!
I would assume anyone who has heard about KF would likely have heard of Byuu's suicide. Confirming they were dead, when a lot of KF probably thought they were alive, is going to create a lot of discussion.
You could find hundreds of people on twitter/tumblr/reddit talking about Byuu's death in similar way. It's not suspicious as you are making it seem.
 
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It was just nowhere near as shocking to me as other stuff in this thread. Like the screencaps of tweens offering to send people nudes.

The most concerning stuff there, what you were saying about her potentially having a pattern of approaching minors in real life, is buried under hundreds of screen caps of other stuff.

I deliberately made my analysis of her a separate spoiler free TL;DR for that specific reason, once again read the fucking post. This is Kiwi Farms, the whole point is to document shit in autistic detail. It'd be a bad post if I DIDN'T.

There are protections against those with a position of authority (like teachers) having sex with 16/17 year olds in the UK, but for other people it's legal:
1 : Julia at the time of these events was not a British citizen. The act in question has zero mention of it solely being a violation for authority figures. It's likely you're confusing what the 2004 amendment actually says as it puts heavy emphasis on safeguarding by authority figures. You'd know that too if you actually read it properly. Which you can do right here. Here's another useful summary about child protection relating to the legislation I've mentioned, which also brings up the 2003 sexual offences act. Section 15A applies taking the Children's Act into account if Julia is subject to British law.

2: Even if Julia isn't subject to Children's Act laws, you're forgetting about the 2001 Lanzarote convention which still has her under scrutiny legally. If she is living in Britain but is legally a Polish citizen, she is still subject as while the AOC in Poland is 15, the median as a result of this convention is 18 when it comes to every nation when it concerns international incidents like this one. It does not apply to the US, but Julia is subject to it as a European citizen. However, you're not taking into account Arizona state laws either. Julia is in deep shit either way.
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Check the dates.


I dug all of this information up within 20 minutes while all you had to offer was a paltry stub entry on a Wikipedia page. I'm not even fucking British.

I am not a lawfag but I am a recordfag, so if a legal kiwi has any corrections as to if I'm misinterpreting things, please let me know.
I have a good handle on legal shit because of my job but I'm no lawyer and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

It's not suspicious as you are making it seem.

Certainly is strange considering that your posts in this thread immediately zero in on what I'm documenting here and that Ethan bitched and moaned relentlessly regarding the situation. Username isn't helping either and you didn't even bother to pick out a nice pfp to fit in with the rest of us, booooo.

Either way, even if you're not Ethan or some goon he sent to do grunt work for him I'd really prefer that you'd stop shitting up this thread and take up your kvetching over Julia in my DMs if you really want to prove that I'm selling bullshit and that Julia is totally not a mentally ill woman who copes by indulging in pedophilic content and should be let do whatever she wants forever, especially around children in her range of preference, or vulnerable men. No matter what, she ain't gonna fuck you bro, you're probably too old.


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One more clarification, while Julia first made contact with Ethan as a minor, you need to remember that you can groom an adult into things. There's an entire subforum which has some documentation of this process. Ethan regardless of age was groomed into femboy coomer bullshit, just like thousands are love bombed into rapid onset gender dysphoria and identifying as trans or into joining a religious cult or mlm. Children are the most prominent victims documented here,but it could be anyone, who can then go on to perpetrate another loop of the cycle.

Remember that.
 
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1 : Julia at the time of these events was not a British citizen. The act in question has zero mention of it solely being a violation for authority figures. It's likely you're confusing what the 2004 amendment actually says as it puts heavy emphasis on safeguarding by authority figures. You'd know that too if you actually read it properly. Which you can do right here. Here's another useful summary about child protection relating to the legislation I've mentioned, which also brings up the 2003 sexual offences act. Section 15A applies taking the Children's Act into account if Julia is subject to British law.

2: Even if Julia isn't subject to Children's Act laws, you're forgetting about the 2001 Lanzarote convention which still has her under scrutiny legally. If she is living in Britain but is legally a Polish citizen, she is still subject as while the AOC in Poland is 15, the median as a result of this convention is 18 when it comes to every nation when it concerns international incidents like this one. It does not apply to the US, but Julia is subject to it as a European citizen. However, you're not taking into account Arizona state laws either. Julia is in deep shit either way.
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I dug all of this information up within 20 minutes while all you had to offer was a paltry stub entry on a Wikipedia page. I'm not even fucking British.

I am not a lawfag but I am a recordfag, so if a legal kiwi has any corrections as to if I'm misinterpreting things, please let me know.
I have a good handle on legal shit because of my job but I'm no lawyer and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
Could you point to the specific parts of the laws you are talking about that govern age of consent?


In each UK nation, the age at which people can legally consent to sexual activity (also known as the age of consent) is 16-years-old.
This is From a link you posted: https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/child-protection-system/children-the-law#age-of-consent-and-marriage

Certainly is strange considering that your posts in this thread immediately zero in on what I'm documenting here and that Ethan bitched and moaned relentlessly regarding the situation. Username isn't helping either and you didn't even bother to pick out a nice pfp to fit in with the rest of us, booooo.

Either way, even if you're not Ethan or some goon he sent to do grunt work for him I'd really prefer that you'd stop shitting up this thread and take up your kvetching over Julia in my DMs if you really want to prove that I'm selling bullshit and that Julia is totally not a mentally ill woman who copes by indulging in pedophilic content and should be let do whatever she wants forever, especially around children in her range of preference, or vulnerable men. No matter what, she ain't gonna fuck you bro, you're probably too old.
You are leaping to conclusions about who I am, but whatever.
The discussion about british laws might belong in another thread (ask a janny to make it). Other than that, I don't have much to add to the thread's topic right now.
 
I don't have much to say right now about the discussion.
Then don't comment on shit you know nothing about then. As for the Lanzarote convention, lern2reed. You're forgetting about AZ law again on top of that. Even if Ethan was initially legal at first contact, he wasn't in the US.

And read my edit.

You are leaping to conclusions about who I am, but whatever.

I have no idea who you are, but I'm laying bait in the off chance it is indeed a gay op, because it is,that would be really really funny.

I've already requested that you take your argument with me to DMs. Don't shit too hard here or a mod will thread ban you and then you'll have to find another toilet.
 
Then don't comment on shit you know nothing about then. As for the Lanzarote convention, lern2reed. You're forgetting about AZ law again on top of that. Even if Ethan was initially legal at first contact, he wasn't in the US.

And read my edit.
Ah, I see they were in different countries. (I assume you made a typo and meant to say UK instead of US.) At first i didnt understand why you mentioned arizona in your previous post. It seemed random.
Anyways, that might change things. I dont feel like researching what laws would apply in that case, so I won't add anything further.

you need to remember that you can groom an adult into things.
This is true, but the term is mostly used for kids so people will forget that.
 
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You are leaping to conclusions about who I am, but whatever.
You are asking questions that have been answered and proceed to ask more questions which are easily answered by Google or reading the post in whole. Our judgment of your character stems from this sole interaction and it doesn't have to be accurate, the fault lays squarely on you.

This user you are talking to has been here since 2016 and put in the work to documents this behavior, you could have actually read everything, thought about it THEN asked specific questions. The fact that you didn't shows a lack of respect to the topic at hand and a lack of respect for the people who document said topic. This user owes you nothing and could have ignored you yet even with a response you're still unsatisfied and refuse to do your own research.

Furthermore, you have mentioned how this is all softcore and you'd find more shocking things on 4chan and reddit, which makes me inclined to believe you have consumed so much extreme content that a blatant grooming victim is nothing to you. Not saying that you are a degenerate, I'm saying you are insensitive and disrespectful.
 
Not saying that you are a degenerate, I'm saying you are insensitive and disrespectful.
I'm just gonna say for what I and frankly everyone else thinks, the person behind the account is a troll who only got on because the site has slowly been crawling it's way back up to SEO.

@I Hate KiwiFarms By the way, we can obviously tell you know nothing about this site simply from there not being a space in between Kiwi Farms, it's in the fucking logo you faggot.
 
Just noticed this thread, thank you jannies.

I've nothing else to contribute regarding I Hate KiwiFarms and his tardposts as looking back over his post history he's either bought into this bullshit completely (disgusting faggot if yes), is a wannabe troll (and not very good at it) or is genuinely developmentally disabled and as a result is unable to grasp certain things (and therefore shouldn't be browsing this site).

I'm hard convinced on option 3 on account of this statement here:

(I assume you made a typo and meant to say UK instead of US.) At first i didnt understand why you mentioned arizona in your previous post. It seemed random.
I know actual downies and speds irl with better reading comprehension skills, sweet Jesus.

I won't be responding to your posts any further unless it's a negrate or if I have to clarify things for other readers for posterity.

I effectively have the same opinion on pedophiles at this point that Null does. Anyone joking about being one is softballing how accepting other people are of it and/or are trying to normalize it (unless there is context in the joke which some comedians have successfully pulled off).

It's also an accusation that I do not use lightly. If I didn't have a mountain of evidence that Julia Zajac and Ethan Jones are pedophiles, then I wouldn't be accusing both of them of being ones both here and in my private life. I do not not use that term to describe someone unless it's actually true considering the gravity of the accusation. Null spoke about this logic on a MATI stream once before, but I can't remember what episode. It's something that's always stuck with me.
 
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This user owes you nothing and could have ignored you yet even with a response you're still unsatisfied and refuse to do your own research.
I was satisified with what he said in my last response.

Furthermore, you have mentioned how this is all softcore and you'd find more shocking things on 4chan and reddit, which makes me inclined to believe you have consumed so much extreme content that a blatant grooming victim is nothing to you.
You don't have to go looking for it, The users on 4chan will spam graphic content on their own. There's even plenty of worse stuff on this forum and in that thread itself. bt yeah, I agree, i probably saw too much extreme content and have been desensitized.

Not saying that you are a degenerate, I'm saying you are insensitive and disrespectful.
It feels a bit strange to complain that someone on Kiwifarms is being insensitive and disrespectful.

But, alright.
 
I was satisified with what he said in my last response.


You don't have to go looking for it, The users on 4chan will spam graphic content on their own. There's even plenty of worse stuff on this forum and in that thread itself. bt yeah, I agree, i probably saw too much extreme content and have been desensitized.


It feels a bit strange to complain that someone on Kiwifarms is being insensitive and disrespectful.

But, alright.
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whenever this topic comes up i can't decide which part is more entertaining:

mid women getting mad at two people having legal, consensual sex according to the laws of their country because their primordial jealously overwrites all reason

non-europeans finding out what the age of consent laws are in europe and finding out euros are a bunch of pedos

lol. lmao, even

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ITT: Rubberneckers who haven't read the original posts this whole argument spawns from chime in with their retarded opinions/hijack it for some other agenda /sneed

Continentals being complete degenerates with their laws aside, you need to look at the social media of everyone involved if you think anyone documented in my write ups is having sex any time soon :story:

In complete seriousness, I think discounting Julia, the problem with the rest of them is that they haven't had sex and as a result don't know what's normal and assume porn tropes actually happen irl. Julia meanwhile, just needs a good psychiatrist most likely.
 
you need to look at the social media of everyone involved if you think anyone documented in my write ups is having sex any time soon
this is the autistic thunderdome, not social media gossip club. the only grooming i'm interested in hearing about is when a bride and groom head to their nuptial bed to consummate their most holy union, and then the groom says "it's grooming time" and grooms all over her
 
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