Democracy doesn’t work.

[maalikthefakemuzzie]

I keep seeing people who glorify that a country must be ruled by “the will of the people”. It is viewed as a rather idealistic concept, but we don’t need to view it idealistically as it already exists and has produced results.

The way I see it for america it has produced a lolcow president and incompetent representatives (such as occasio accasio cortez). They will do stuff with good intentions but end up producing nasty side effects, for example government grants were supposed to support families but have resulted in a growing population of single mothers whose kids end up into a life of crime and misdemeanor.

And I very often hear people say “I hate the current president” but don’t take into account they were democratically elected. (For example david cameron).

In fact these faults are so common I can explain how they occur. During political campaigns, hard facts tend to be ugly and repulsive, so if you want to get into power you need to make sweet and pleasant lies to the public. And since the public don’t know any better they will accept it.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Congrats, Muhammad, you figured out that republicanism isn't perfect. Indeed, it is the worst system except for all of the other ones.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Explaining how they occur is easy. The hard one is explaining how you could prevent them.

 

[IN 041]

Democracy is great if you presuppose that all people are equal. But once you realize that that isn't the case, and once you factor in that 97% of humans have an IQ below 130, you start to question whether treating everyone's opinion equally is actually a good idea.
Stupid people are fundamentally of processing the world properly, they are more susceptible to propaganda and to making impulsive decisions, they have less of a grasp on the idea that there are people outside of their immediate lives and so they vote only for their direct interests. This is why we see so many politicians get into office based only upon how much gibs they're going to implement.
The unintelligent are only good for menial labor and even then they are quickly being outclassed by cheaper and less cumbersome workers, robots. The solution to automation is not UBI, it is something far more sinister that I doubt anyone actually wants to consider.

 

[BW 182]

During political campaigns, hard facts tend to be ugly and repulsive, so if you want to get into power you need to make sweet and pleasant lies to the public. And since the public don’t know any better they will accept it.

That's not democracy. That's politics.

Democracy gives everyone a voice, but there are a lot of idiots with louder voices or the unknowledgeable who feel they need to speak. This would occur in any government though, as we constantly see how many cucked governments exist today. Democracy isn't the problem, it boils down to the people, as the system promotes equality on some level

 

[Neozeonian]

Read Plato's Republic. The Greeks were discussing this around 2500 years ago. Democracy is more a sign of degeneration of a society, not a new age religion to cling to like the Baby Boomers do. The American founding fathers were also concerned about it's long term affects on their newly formed nation. Madison and Jefferson in particular.

There will probably be a collapse in a few hundred years and a form of neo-feudalism or fascism will take it's place before we go through the cycle all over again. Hopefully by then we'll have figured out how to colonize space.

 

[Clop]

I'd prefer a system of government under the sword of Damocles.

 

[Vecr]

You are the one who doesn't work.

Anyway, that's why you want a well written and somewhat hard to change constitution, that restricts what stupid laws can be created.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Democracy is great if you presuppose that all people are equal. But once you realize that that isn't the case, and once you factor in that 97% of humans have an IQ below 130, you start to question whether treating everyone's opinion equally is actually a good idea.
Stupid people are fundamentally of processing the world properly, they are more susceptible to propaganda and to making impulsive decisions, they have less of a grasp on the idea that there are people outside of their immediate lives and so they vote only for their direct interests. This is why we see so many politicians get into office based only upon how much gibs they're going to implement.
The unintelligent are only good for menial labor and even then they are quickly being outclassed by cheaper and less cumbersome workers, robots. The solution to automation is not UBI, it is something far more sinister that I doubt anyone actually wants to consider.

Read Plato's Republic. The Greeks were discussing this around 2500 years ago. Democracy is more a sign of degeneration of a society, not a new age religion to cling to like the Baby Boomers do. The American founding fathers were also concerned about it's long term affects on their newly formed nation. Madison and Jefferson in particular.

There will probably be a collapse in a few hundred years and a form of neo-feudalism or fascism will take it's place before we go through the cycle all over again. Hopefully by then we'll have figured out how to colonize space.

I hope you both realize you'd be in the category of people who get purged/reduced to shitkicking peasants with no rights in the systems you advocate for.

It's funny how every person who advocates for feudalism seem to think they'll be the baron: it's much like how every ardent Communist thinks they'll be on the Central Committee.

 

[IN 041]

I hope you both realize you'd be in the category of people who get purged/reduced to shitkicking peasants with no rights in the systems you advocate for.

I really love this argument. You have no way to actually know this, you're just attempting to elicit a fear response from people instead of arguing.

 

[byuu]

I really love this argument. You have no way to actually know this, you're just attempting to elicit a fear response from people instead of arguing.

Everyone here is way too autistic to manipulate people well enough to get to rule over them.

 

[IN 041]

Everyone here is way too autistic to manipulate people well enough to get to rule over them.

Have you ever considered that acting autistic may be a manipulation for some?

 

[FlamingPie]

Democracy is great if you presuppose that all people are equal. But once you realize that that isn't the case, and once you factor in that 97% of humans have an IQ below 130, you start to question whether treating everyone's opinion equally is actually a good idea.
Stupid people are fundamentally of processing the world properly, they are more susceptible to propaganda and to making impulsive decisions, they have less of a grasp on the idea that there are people outside of their immediate lives and so they vote only for their direct interests. This is why we see so many politicians get into office based only upon how much gibs they're going to implement.
The unintelligent are only good for menial labor and even then they are quickly being outclassed by cheaper and less cumbersome workers, robots. The solution to automation is not UBI, it is something far more sinister that I doubt anyone actually wants to consider.

So... what alternatives for democracy do you have in mind?

 

[byuu]

Have you ever considered that acting autistic may be a manipulation for some?

You must be a master manipulator then.

 

[IN 041]

So... what alternatives for democracy do you have in mind?

I don't have the ego to pretend that I have an answer, I'm just saying that democracy is stupid.

 

[Eryngium]

Now listen here you uncultured fucks. All you of are puppets, you abide to the capitalist system and dont realize how meaningless your filthy fucking lives have become. While we work our asses off the big corporations CEOs fuck the absolute best pussy money can buy. Dont you feel inferior to them? Wouldnt a system utilizing equal social classess and pay be the best way to satisfy the most people? If you aren't an inbred, you would agree. But how is it that when i propose communism to /pol/ i get called a "faggot" and a "delusional fuck"? I think its because i am of a superior intelligence to all of you. Ha, just thinking about it makes me laugh. Whatever, you blind morons can live your lives in a shithole, im moving to Laos. While you guys shoot heroine up your urethras, ill be bathing in the glory of the motherland and my equal pay. You guys will regret not listening to me. Kindly purify the gene pool and kill yourselves, every last one of you. Thanks in advance.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Democracy is great if you presuppose that all people are equal. But once you realize that that isn't the case, and once you factor in that 97% of humans have an IQ below 130, you start to question whether treating everyone's opinion equally is actually a good idea.
Stupid people are fundamentally of processing the world properly, they are more susceptible to propaganda and to making impulsive decisions, they have less of a grasp on the idea that there are people outside of their immediate lives and so they vote only for their direct interests. This is why we see so many politicians get into office based only upon how much gibs they're going to implement.
The unintelligent are only good for menial labor and even then they are quickly being outclassed by cheaper and less cumbersome workers, robots. The solution to automation is not UBI, it is something far more sinister that I doubt anyone actually wants to consider.

I've often thought about this, but then think about the opposite; assuming your IQ is around 130 (which would be why you chose that number I presume as it would align with your frame of refference), how comfortable would you be with having only people of IQ 150+ make political decisions?

The essential twofold problem there is that the interests of people in different IQ brackets are different and that although they may be more capable of choosing meritocraticly, there is no reason to believe they have any more incentive to do so.

 

[IN 041]

I've often thought about this, but then think about the opposite; assuming your IQ is around 130 (which would be why you chose that number I presume as it would align with your frame of refference), how comfortable would you be with having only people of IQ 150+ make political decisions?

The essential twofold problem there is that the interests of people in different IQ brackets are different and that although they may be more capable of choosing meritocraticly, there is no reason to believe they have any more incentive to do so.

I picked 130 because it's 2 standard deviations away, I'm not going to post my exact IQ because it doesn't add anything to the discussion. All I will say is, I would be okay with a society stratified by intelligence even if that meant there were people above me.

 

[Marco Fucko]

"Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time..."

 

[Neozeonian]

I hope you both realize you'd be in the category of people who get purged/reduced to shitkicking peasants with no rights in the systems you advocate for.

It's funny how every person who advocates for feudalism seem to think they'll be the baron: it's much like how every ardent Communist thinks they'll be on the Central Committee.

One, never said I advocated for it, just that it would probably happen. I also don't think I'd rule anything in the same way I don't think I'd be some sort of one-man army if a revolution broke out. Statistically, none of us would.

Two, the ruling class always lords over and has more rights than the working class. That's just as true under our current system just as it was a thousand years ago. What redress of grievance do the citizens of little European towns have against their supposedly democratic governments when they decide to flood them with third-world immigrants? Or how when a people try to stand up to the oligarchs with democratic solutions, like BREXIT, and the government just says "Yeah, nah". You could say "vote the bums out" but how to you do that when the voting population is plastic and you can just import people who will keep you in power or ply the natives with free stuff? The rich and powerful will always do what they want and there's not really anything we can do about that, regardless of the political system we live under.

That being said, I don't trust democracy, as it necessitates an informed constituency. By every metric I've seen, that doesn't exist and mass immigration is only making that worse.