EU Demographic Collapse an ‘Existential Threat for Greece’

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The demographic collapse in Greece is becoming an “existential threat” to the future of the nation, PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis warned on Tuesday.

In his address to the conference “Demographics 2023, Time for Action”, Mitsotakis pointed out that the Hellenic Statistical Authority (ELSTAT) had recently “sounded perhaps the loudest alarm” about the demographic trends in Greece.

The country recorded just one birth for every two deaths in 2022, talking of a negative balance that has been escalating for half a century.

“The pandemic certainly played its role, but we have to look at the long-term trends and these are extremely worrying,” Mitsotakis said.

The conference, Mitsotakis noted, “comes to examine a national danger which is rapidly unfolding, a danger which, however, must not become the status quo.” He added that this is a problem that concerns the West, almost all developed societies, and is connected to the modern way of life.

The Greek premier noted that today Greeks are among the most elderly in Europe. In the last five years, Greek women aged 20-40 have decreased by 150,000 as a result of a decline in births that actually started in the 80s.

He emphasized that the population decline is not manifested equally throughout the country.

“It has peaks in specific areas and this means that national strategies are not sufficient and that specific local provisions are also needed, with the overall demographic collapse literally becoming an existential bet for our future.”

“No magic solutions” for the demographic collapse in Greece

The prime minister emphasized that there are no magic solutions or options that can bring immediate results.

He noted that demography implies a long-term and often uneven effort and, “of course, it requires many allies, from the state and businesses to the citizens themselves because they too obviously participate in the developments as carriers of specific perceptions and behaviors.”

“We must not forget that throughout the world we are now at the edge of the so-called second demographic transition,” he pointed out.

He also spoke about the need to harmonize professional life with family life, taking care of public health so that the elderly remain active and creating many good jobs for young people with the goal of being able to build their lives in their country with good prospects.

Looking for solutions, experts point to countries such as Sweden and France. These countries have successfully boosted their fertility rates by implementing measures to support young couples socially, professionally, and economically. This includes flexible parental leave and financial incentives for having children.

In response to the demographic crisis, the National Center for Social Research (EKKE) has proposed various measures.

They include strengthening child allowances, providing premiums for mothers under thirty, and encouraging the active participation of fathers in childcare. Additionally, experts propose expanding childcare facilities and introducing the concept of assistant mothers.
 
The people in power keep talking about there being a demographic collapse, but everytime I go out I think there's more and more people out there and it's getting crowded. Are we sure they're not lying?
This whole demographic collapse crap is true but not as threatening as the media makes it out to be. It's an astroturfed issue to scare nations into accepting migrants.
 
Why are none of these nations looking at the artificial womb? Why aren't they spending billions of their funny money to create this technology. It would solve this issue over night.
I doubt it's possible anytime soon
and you know the question that arises if such a thing were to exist no one wants to think about it or would be mocked for asking
 
Why are none of these nations looking at the artificial womb? Why aren't they spending billions of their funny money to create this technology. It would solve this issue over night.
Because the technology is not there, and will not be there for a very long time. There are multiple bottlenecks; none of which seem close to being overcome.
 
Greece hasn't been Greece in a long time. And with Turkiyyeyeyeyeee sending rapefugees their way, it's truly over for the "Greeks".
 
Western society pushes the need for overpriced indoctrination at Universities for everyone in order to even participate in the job market. Women all want to be the next pillow princess like the instagram influencer thots and raising kids is hard work so they dont do it. Most people are leaving the education system with a shit load of debt and a useless bachelor degree that will only get them entry level jobs anyway. If you eliminate all the genderspeshuls and troons you have heterosexual couples who have to work so much to pay off their debts and to live, they opt not to have kids because they can barely feed themselves.
Seems like a government created problem to me and their solution is of course, more immigrants.
 
The people in power keep talking about there being a demographic collapse, but everytime I go out I think there's more and more people out there and it's getting crowded. Are we sure they're not lying?
You don't need "people", you need kids. If you are seeing more and more adults out there and the same number of kids, that's exactly the sort of emergency they're talking about. Because the social safety nets of these countries must care for and prop up an elderly population that is living longer than ever, not working, and with fewer kids working to pay taxes to do it.

The boomer remover slowed the pace of the emergency, that's why they did it. But the jab messed up young people too much and we need more kids than ever now. Banning abortion is the first step that the US had to take, it's not nearly as much a problem in Europe.
 
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You'll have to let the population decline until it reaches equilibrium again. There's no other way around it.

I don't know what you could to to manage this decline but to raise the retirement age and cut pensions and health care benefits for the elderly. It's certainly not good but the alternative is the entire social welfare system going down leaving them with jack shit. Greece isn't sovereign in its own currency so they don't even have money printing as an option to prop things up.

Immigration is a non-starter, allowing more people with no useful skills and an alien culture and religion into the country will do nothing but destroy it faster.
 
This is happening in many countries now, not just Greece. Hard to think of a developed country that isn't seeing a similar trend. As countries develop, the birth rate falls. Even Mexico's birth rate has fallen. But the shitholes keep splorting them out, for now.
 
You guys are surprisingly cynical about this!

Me, I'm a demographic collapse doomer. IMO it is one of the most serious issues facing the west. Immigration obviously doesn't solve the problem. We need people to marry, stay married, and have three+ children. It's a very difficult issue that goes way beyond "feminism bad". Surveys show that people already want more children than they have, there are no simple solutions. You'd have to do some drastic cultural engineering: moving good jobs out of big cities, somehow changing the sexual culture (for men and women both... when I'm Hitler, I will piss off EVERYONE), creating expansive supports for stay at home mothers... bullshit fantasies like universal childcare are nowhere near enough. You'd need to engineer a system where marriage and parenthood is attractive, high status, and feasible on a single income. This would be a massive revolution on the order of the brief blip of third reich cultural change. So it probably won't happen.

We're in the bottleneck now. If you have children in spite of the cultural tide, your descendants will be the only genes around in 150 years. This is a selection event and it's selecting for the very religious, dirtbag black dudes with 8 kids by 7 women, and Elon Musk. The future is going to be so fucked up lol.
 
Western society pushes the need for overpriced indoctrination at Universities for everyone in order to even participate in the job market. Women all want to be the next pillow princess like the instagram influencer thots and raising kids is hard work so they dont do it. Most people are leaving the education system with a shit load of debt and a useless bachelor degree that will only get them entry level jobs anyway. If you eliminate all the genderspeshuls and troons you have heterosexual couples who have to work so much to pay off their debts and to live, they opt not to have kids because they can barely feed themselves.
Seems like a government created problem to me and their solution is of course, more immigrants.
It doesn't even get into entry-level jobs anymore. Entry level jobs require five years experience and to get experience you need to have a job first. It's a fucking Kafka-esque nightmare the West created for itself and it will not stop until it collapses.
 
Didn't they all get their retirement fund stolen?

So why does it matter if there is no young people anymore to work?
 
Western society pushes the need for overpriced indoctrination at Universities for everyone in order to even participate in the job market. Women all want to be the next pillow princess like the instagram influencer thots and raising kids is hard work so they dont do it. Most people are leaving the education system with a shit load of debt and a useless bachelor degree that will only get them entry level jobs anyway. If you eliminate all the genderspeshuls and troons you have heterosexual couples who have to work so much to pay off their debts and to live, they opt not to have kids because they can barely feed themselves.
Seems like a government created problem to me and their solution is of course, more immigrants.
It's worse than that. The government didn't create this problem: private businesses did. The college degree and credentialism are a response to the delocalization of labor. Businesses demand degrees and credentials for jobs that don't need them as a way to limit the number of responses to sift through. As a reaction to this, students are getting higher and higher degrees than they used to. The bachelor's degree gets you what a high school diploma used to, the masters degree is the old bachelors, and a phd is the old masters. You have to spend years as a post-doc to get what used to be a phd equivalent education. All of this sets the population back 4+ years from their old child rearing years. What used to be kids at 26 is now kids at 30, assuming a mate can be found in this age of tiktok and tinder. The # of years of female education are one of the strongest predictors of fertility rates. It should come as no surprise that keeping people in a perpetual state of adolescence til their mid-late 20's is resulting in far lower birth rates.

Hilariously enough, government is the solution to this problem. Most universities are almost entirely federal and state funded. Finish it off by making ALL (including private) colleges entirely publicly funded and slash the number of student positions available each year to the top 25% at most of the high school classes. Permit no more than 10% of your college seats to go to foreigners in any department. Within a decade or two, businesses will respond by relaxing credential demands as the pool of college educated labor is effectively halved. Average worker quality will go up substantially as well because you'd be eliminating the bottom half of the enrollment, which would result in higher justified wages for the remaining educated workers and far fewer diversity positions.


Without being a doomer or anti-feminist, it will take a substantial shift in our way of life to raise the birth rates without reducing years of education. Policies such as paternity leave, parental financial support, and reducing cost of living are all well and fair but they will do nothing if people are waiting til their 30's to start having kids. Somehow, you need your college crowd to get married and start having kids while in school in their early 20's to really put a dent in the numbers. Fixing that won't be cheap, and it would demand considerable living stipends and housing for full time students with kids. The meme of personal responsibility falls flat when it's irresponsible to have kids young. Supposedly, people who go to college are smart. You'll need a real incentive to get them to abandon free time, money, and future prospects to start pumping out babies this early.
 
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