Do Domain Registration Protection Services Work? - Or can the tenacious just find another way of IDing domain owners?

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Sultan Bin Jewstar said:
domain registration protection services
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A meme since your registrar has your billing information and can release it for any reason, from an actual subpoena to pissing themselves at a cease and desist. Hiding your WHOIS is a bit of a legal grey zone since ICANN technically doesn't allow it, but nobody wants to touch that.
If you want actual zero strings linking a site back to you, you need something like Njalla where you pay with crypto and the registrar has zero information about you at all, but the issue is that the service owns the domain name, not you, so they can revoke it if they want.

This is relevant for High Autistic attacks of course, for 99% of cases any host's default WHOIS redaction is enough, it'll stop the "X site WHOIS" Google search.
 
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ayanamirei said:
where you pay with crypto and the registrar has zero information about you at all
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Yeah. This is what I was going to ask next.


ayanamirei said:
Hiding your WHOIS is a bit of a legal grey zone since ICANN technically doesn't allow it, but nobody wants to touch that.
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That's what had me curious about these services to begin with. The registrars are already doing something dubious by offering. Maybe one of them isn't a pussy, but probably :optimistic:
 
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Have you considered setting up an LLC in a jurisdiction that allow their ownership information to be kept anonymous and then registering your domain through that org instead? That way you don't have to worry about the DRPS yoinking your domain on a whim, but you also don't have to worry about having actual identifying information come out. Just pay the right taxes and fees to an agent in Delaware or Wyoming, and you're pretty well golden.
 
Ed Special said:
Have you considered setting up an LLC in a jurisdiction that allow their ownership information to be kept anonymous and then registering your domain through that org instead? That way you don't have to worry about the DRPS yoinking your domain on a whim, but you also don't have to worry about having actual identifying information come out. Just pay the right taxes and fees to an agent in Delaware or Wyoming, and you're pretty well golden.
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I like Dumbledore's stab better than having to register an LLC, but yes I have.

Laws change, particularly when big bucks are thrown around during/before the legislative sessions. The tech fags have money and a PII fetish. Business principles can change too, but the path of least resistance seems to be:
Find somewhere with similar ideologies to me in terms of privacy and hope they don't troon out.
 
Sultan Bin Jewstar said:
I like Dumbledore's stab better than having to register an LLC, but yes I have.

Laws change, particularly when big bucks are thrown around during/before the legislative sessions. The tech fags have money and a PII fetish. Business principles can change too, but the path of least resistance seems to be:
Find somewhere with similar ideologies to me in terms of privacy and hope they don't troon out.
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Delaware's primary economic activity seems to be their privacy LLCs and the fees + tax revenues these siphon to the state from the rest of the country, so I'd reckon they're probably not interested in ever changing their laws around these.
 
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Sultan Bin Jewstar said:
I imagine the cost of the alternative is cheaper and less convoluted.
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"A cheap man pays twice". The cost of the "cheaper" alternative is that either it can get yoinked at any time without you being able to do anything about it, or will dox you the nanosecond a complaint from Stebbins, Greer, and Partners comes across their desk, or, more usually I suspect, both.
 
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Ed Special said:
"A cheap man pays twice". The cost of the "cheaper" alternative is that either it can get yoinked at any time without you being able to do anything about it, or will dox you the nanosecond a complaint from Stebbins, Greer, and Partners comes across their desk, or, more usually I suspect, both.
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Fair point. Either way, gotta some diligence is due.

Wanna shill your wares, @IncogNET ?
 
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ayanamirei said:
something like Njalla
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Njalla may not be the best example with what Null said about it:
Njalla is a Tucows reseller. The owner is ANTIFA and ex-Pirate Party. Due to his association with online piracy, he was not permitted by ICANN to become a full-fledged registrar.
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Tucows/2cows is an ancient registrar that is the registrar for 4chan.org. In response to emails, their Trust & Safety executive said they would not permit us to transfer our domain to their service, even for the purpose of redirecting to another domain. Tucows (via Njalla) has recently (Jan 2024) frozen a Nitter instance (X/Twitter proxy) without warning.
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These quotes are taken from Null's Tier List for Internet Services
 
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HildegardOrgonAkkumulator said:
Njalla may not be the best example with what Null said about it:


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Thank you. I knew that thread was somewhere, but I forgot what it was called.

Now that I think about it, I remember him giving some sort of story on mati about them. Something to the effect of "got part way through the process and they just stopped correspondence" if I remember correctly.
 
HildegardOrgonAkkumulator said:
Njalla may not be the best example with what Null said about it.
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This is true, but the topic was WHOIS protection specifically, and Njalla is the only one as far as I know that lets you pay with crypto anonymously and doesn't demand billing info of any sort. As I said, they can still revoke you if they feel like it, hence the "you don't own the registration, Njalla does"
The owner is ANTIFA and ex-Pirate Party.
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No shit, it's affiliated with The Pirate Bay, that's par for the course.
 
After reviewing the documentation I've arrived at the conclusion anyone who is eligible and able to be a registrar should be one.

Some semblance of FVEYs:
You cover me
I cover you
The next guy covers both of us

This juice seems worth the squeeze.
It isn't free, but it is not the same line of funding one would need to establish a commercial bank; it's meager and can be managed by one person if they can scrounge the funds.
It lowers the barrier of entry and distributes the load of mission across numerous entities.
 
I read into this some more, but some of the documentation is cryptic and I'm illiterate.

Bottom line
  • First year expenses
    • $8850 or $12900
  • All subsequent years
    • $5350 or $9400

  • Application fee
    • $3500
  • Annual accreditation fee
    • $4000
  • Per domain fee
  • Variable quarterly fee
  • Transaction-based generic Top Level Domain (gTLD) fee
    • $227,000 per application
    • Sounds like this is opt-in, tedious, and is really fuckin' expensive

However, this place is fucking retarded and there is no way it's not some sort of late-lifecycle executive/recruiting circle jerk.
  • They spent somewhere between $3MM and $4.5MM on staffing agencies alone 2024.
    • Assuming ICANN is somewhere between 13.2% and 32% attrition rate, each employee placed costs between $14000 (almost believable, but rich) and $54000 (ludicrous unless strictly hiring C suite)
  • Officers do pretty well for a nonprofit
    • CEO
      • $900k base
    • Sr. Advisor to President and SVP Stakeholder Engagement
      • $400k base
      • $20k monthly stipend ($240k+ annually)
      • Eligibility for additional at-risk compensation of up to 30 percent of base pay and stipend per year
    • General Counsel
      • $555k base
      • $3k monthly stipend ($36k annually)
      • Eligibility for additional at-risk compensation of up to 30 percent of base pay per year
    • SVP Global Domains and Strategy
      • $445k base
      • $3k monthly stipend ($36k annually)
      • Eligibility for additional at-risk compensation of up to 30 percent of base per year
    • SVP Planning and CFO
      • $464k base
      • Eligibility for additional at-risk compensation of up to 30 percent of base pay per year
 
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