Do forced good deeds count?

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Think of something like paying taxes, 99.99% of it might be going towards some grift, but that 0.01% will help some family get through the week. So is paying taxes moral as donating to a charity (disregarding the fact charities also tend to be 99.99% grift).
Similarly does doing mandatory army service where I risked my life in some occasions better than some guy living in his religious community and keeping up all the religious laws?

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Forced good deeds are the only good deeds which count in the first place

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

No dumbass. It's shit you have to do. At best, doing it makes you an adult. At worst, you're a prick I had to hold hostage to get out of your ass and help someone.

 

[$80 Nude Haircut]

If Roman soldiers force you to work in a salt mine from a very young age to benefit society & then kill you do those good deeds count towards going to heaven?

 

[Pimpleking55]

A good deed is something like giving your worst enemy your last slice of bread when he is hungry, or giving that hobo who is shitting on your porch a job. Something to improve the life of another while expecting nothing in return and footing the bill. Flushing the toilet after your shit isnt one since there is something as common decency.

 

[Fish Fudge]

Count for what exactly?

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

No, charity is generally a choice. I know you’re Jewish, but there’s a pretty good story in the Christian Bible about it. Commies tried using it to say that Jesus was a a commie or something.

Making it an obligation doesn’t make it charity. You’ve gone from voluntary action to involuntary. It might be moral to do something like this, but it isn’t being charitable. The modern sense of charity is shit considering it’s mostly a tax scam.
It’s more or less you’re not giving away anything, you are forced to pay taxes by someone who will fuck you if you don’t.

Heinlein actually had a good argument that morality in the days prior to a globalized market was more or less behavior that tended to survival. Altruism is generally not being a sociopathic retard. He has some speech to West Point Cadets talking about their are different levels of morality and we value them for a reason.

 

[Chilson]

Good deeds don't even count. Human beings are by their very nature selfish and EVERYTHING we do is because we BELIEVE it will benefit us.

Mind you, believing something benefits us is very different from actually benefiting us. Charity is literally giving effort or money to feel good or to look good to others, which is why most charities are scams and people will still give money and effort to them after becoming aware of this fact. Because it doesn't matter if it actually helps anyone, simply that people end up feeling or looking good doing it.

That doesn't invalidate the act itself though since doing good actions for our own selfish desires still benefits others indirectly. Its far better than just being a giant piece of shit and hurting other people for your own gain. Altruism almost always benefits you in the long term anyways, while being a selfish piece of shit will almost always hurt you in the long term.

Altruistic people are genuinely long term thinkers, while pieces of shit are short term thinkers. Choose to be a long term thinker rather than being forced to be one, its simply the smarter thing to do.

 

[urr13 account]

If the good things that come from paying taxes count toward your good karma, then does all the horrible evil shit you inadvertently finance through paying taxes count toward your bad karma?

If karma is real, is paying taxes to corrupt government to pay CIA agent to kidnap kids for Biden to fuck the reason everyone seems to have such bad luck all the time? Bad karma.

 

[Shig O'nella]

Assuming you are basing your scorekeeping on something approximating Christianity - no, they don't. The Bible is quite clear on that.
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars." It's an obligation of the body, not of the soul. So there is zero moral justifaction for not paying your taxes.

 

[Drkinferno72]

A clockwork orange be like

 

[The Feline Solution]

Sola fide, nigger.

 

[Beak Thing]

A good deed is something like giving your worst enemy your last slice of bread when he is hungry, or giving that hobo who is shitting on your porch a job. Something to improve the life of another while expecting nothing in return and footing the bill. Flushing the toilet after your shit isnt one since there is something as common decency.

I do good deeds for decent people but my enemies get the upper decker.

 

[Apochrypha]

Good deeds are things you don't have to do, but do regardless. If it benefits you or the powers that be then that defeats the purpose.

 

[Gamercat]

it isn't a good deed if your legally forced to do it

 

[Dysnomia]

No. Because they aren't sincere. When you were a kid did your parents ever force you to apologize about something you weren't sorry for? What do you do? Just say a hasty "I'm sorry" so you can go back to your cartoons and vidya without any more parental interruptions. An apology in name only isn't an apology. It's a social formality.

Same with forced good deeds. Someone is pressuring you with social formalities. If you don't want to do it then it's not sincere. That doesn't mean it's not a good deed though. But since you don't care you aren't learning anything. So you never benefit from it yourself.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

A good deed is something like giving your worst enemy your last slice of bread when he is hungry, or giving that hobo who is shitting on your porch a job.

No. That's called being a cuck