Does absurdism make one more critical or accepting of narratives?

[Skitarii]

In theory, someone raised in an ecosystem that rewards subversiveness and punishes stagnation should be better at picking apart narratives than someone raised in an environment that promotes conformity. But on the other hand, the frequent assault of irony on the senses may exhaust one's faculties for critical thinking and cause them to become more lazy to indoctrination.

I ask this question because the inhabitants of the world's most overpopulated centres (China, Japan, India, Nigeria) have evolved to be highly capable of detecting slight changes and differences in crowded backdrops and stimulus-rich images, yet have chosen a propensity toward conformity and collectivism rather than skepticism and subversion.

Likewise, the nonsense humor of gen-z should, in theory, give them the advantage in picking apart propaganda in media and trends, yet, in practice, this has not been the case.

Your thoughts, A&N?

 

[Thunk Provoker]

Recognizing and picking apart propaganda is effective if you have a developed viewpoint on current issues. Being ironic for the sake of it can be funny, but in order to criticize a narrative you need to take it seriously.

 

[Underperforming]

Deconstruction is in itself the grandest of all narratives

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

You're either a dope or you're not.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

The conscious mind is very critical and that's what its designed to be. It's the mind that makes decisions all the time. The unconscious has no critical judgement so it's coming from an entirely different standpoint. If you want to make changes to the belief systems that we possess, if you do it with the unconscious mind you can make those changes very rapidly, really in the blinking of an eye.​

There is a reason Jon Stewart/John Oliver would pace their shows with infographics and visual jokes for 20 mins and then let a Republican on with no charts or jokes to rebut Jon/john for 20 secs. Did people think it was fair? No, they came for the jokes so they listened and were carried along by it. People absorb more information the more the brain engages with it.

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If you are given jokes which are only funny given the acceptance of the propaganda, then you are more likely to accept the propaganda to get the joke. Their shows were just that for 20 mins. Worse, the left are the left because they've been cognitively restructured into agitated messes by these subtle tricks. Giving them new directions to take their anger, from personally constructive thoughts about how to help their situation to deconstructive thoughts about how the system must be dismantled. The left love their masters, and so no amount of information on how and why they're being cognitively restructured matters to them.

Essentially, the more you studied the dangers of real sharks in their environment, the more time you spent swimming with them and getting used to doing so. People adjust their normal while they study extremes, their sense of normal is never the same afterwards. There is a idea that the majority of Red Flags you get while dealing with terrible crazy people, isn't their actions but their comfortability with thinking about morally disgusting topics. That there is no difference between completely understanding a terrorist, and beginning to sympathize with a terrorist. It explains how intellectuals were captured so quickly, and why repeatedly in history there are purges following a new political ordering.

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The Morty and Rick shows should contain the deepest questioning people, the people most likely to admit that they don't understand a given topic. They contain the least questioning, and the people most likely to bluntly state their confidence in their intellectualism. People would be better placed if they understood Logos, Ethos, and Pathos each have their place. If a people confuse Logos for Ethos then they confuse loyalty for morality without even understanding that they've done this. They start to believe the there are no bad tactics, only bad people. Yet they instantly lose their individuality, and leftism becomes loyal conformists even as they suffer. Their cognitive restructuring always leads them to love their Hollywood, Banking, and Academic leadership who have placed them in their predicament, and hate abstract enemies of their masters. All the while claiming to be the most awake, the most rational, and the most moral. Its quite a trick.

TL;DR: The smarter you think you are, the deeper you're going to fall.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Don't you motherfucking DARE call deep thoughts A&N.

 

[Skitarii]

Don't you motherfucking DARE call deep thoughts A&N.

You're mom deepthoughts my pen0r

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

The Morty and Rick shows should contain the deepest questioning people, the people most likely to admit that they don't understand a given topic. They contain the least questioning, and the people most likely to bluntly state their confidence in their intellectualism. People would be better placed if they understood Logos, Ethos, and Pathos each have their place. If a people confuse Logos for Ethos then they confuse loyalty for morality without even understanding that they've done this. They start to believe the there are no bad tactics, only bad people. Yet they instantly lose their individuality, and leftism becomes loyal conformists even as they suffer. Their cognitive restructuring always leads them to love their Hollywood, Banking, and Academic leadership who have placed them in their predicament, and hate abstract enemies of their masters. All the while claiming to be the most awake, the most rational, and the most moral. Its quite a trick.

TL;DR: The smarter you think you are, the deeper you're going to fall.

I live in Cana-DUH and our national "identity" is centered around anti-American chauvinism. However, but you see how many Canadians are brain-dead drones that recite the same drivel ad infinitum to a particular stimulus when you examine the nation further. "#CdnMediaFailed" trended on Twitter because Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's trip to Costa Rica made the news and the TruAnons went ballistic and tried to divert attention to Ontario Premier Doug Ford. I suspect the primary reason that Trudeau repeatedly gets away with his endless procession of scandals and gets reelection has more to do with the deliberate ignorance of the Canadian electorate than it does any political acumen on his part. Canada has an extremely conformist and stagnant mindset where the populace complains about the deteriorating state of our healthcare system, passport offices, and the clusterfuck that are our airports, yet the government's response is to gouge their eyes out rather than address the elephant in the room. It took decades of conditioning, but the left in Canada has accepted the premise that the Liberals are the natural governing party and thus entitled to rule by decree regardless of whether their leader is a pampered idiot or not.

My theory is that Canadians cannot except the fact that our country is insignificant in world affairs because they would spiral into a state of existential despair. Trudeau infantilizes his base with soft (lispy) platitudes are that are meaningless, but designed to placate their wounded egos. I imagine that is why he is going whole hog on his climate agenda by placing a hard cap on O&G emissions and fertilizer, because it will make the base feel warm and fuzzy in their self-satisfaction, but at the cost of impoverishing Canadians and driving more to hunger. Given that Canada is a net food exporter, it could lead to starvation and death because he wants to feel important. Similarly, Russia has the EU by the balls because they are Europe's main supplier of natural gas--something Canada has in spades, but lacks the capacity to export. Want to know the kicker? It will all be for naught as Canada produces less than 2% of global GHG emissions. Countries such as China, India, Indonesia, etc. will easily make up the difference. Xi Jinping knows that Trudeau is feeble pretender and Trudy embarrassed the nation on his "Mr. Dressup" tour of India, which failed to earn him any friends so no one looks to Canada as the shining example to follow.

Yet I cannot bring myself to anger, if anything, I cannot help but laugh at the absurdity of these state of affairs. Canadians will never address the flaws within our system because doing so would require admitting that we are no better than our southern neighbor.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

I suspect the primary reason that Trudeau repeatedly gets away with his endless procession of scandals and gets reelection has more to do with the deliberate ignorance of the Canadian electorate than it does any political acumen on his part. Canada has an extremely conformist and stagnant mindset where the populace complains about the deteriorating state of our healthcare system, passport offices, and the clusterfuck that are our airports, yet the government's response is to gouge their eyes out rather than address the elephant in the room. It took decades of conditioning, but the left in Canada has accepted the premise that the Liberals are the natural governing party and thus entitled to rule by decree regardless of whether their leader is a pampered idiot or not.

I'm an ex-Donair eater myself, born and raised in Goler Country. Canada exists because of the brain-drain keeping the smart people away from the corrupt slop in the federal trough. I left for the states, I don't know if you can but if you can you should try. Move to a red state with good gun laws, and blend in as best you can socially and politically.

Canada is importing a new voter base, and the difference between America and Canada is that outside the Prairies nobody cares. Its just pure self-genocide genetically and culturally. There is no fixing this, White Canadians want to be removed from the gene pool. The federal government, my mother worked for one of the Ministerial departments & my FtM brother works federally too, literally goes on about how stealing countries young adults rather than Canadians having their own makes Canada more competitive on the world stage. There is no fixing that, the immigrants aren't having children either as the cost of living is rising. So their genetics are dying off too, its a demographic graveyard regardless of who you are.

Once a society embraces Death, Sterility, and Frivolity only Hard Times after some sort of collapse resets the mindset. You don't want to be there for the Rock Bottom. You don't.

Yet I cannot bring myself to anger, if anything, I cannot help but laugh at the absurdity of these state of affairs.

This Hour has 22 Minutes marks us all, I think its still on the TV? It made me very sad when I was last up there and saw the same TV show just with Black/Brown cast members instead of Newfoundlanders. People are living out their whole lives pretending they're still 23 when they're 57 and alone.

During the Third Reich nearly all German theaters, supported by enormous state funding, presented thousands of comedy productions. Something about dealing with doom, makes comedies take off and grow popular. During the Fall of the post-war British Empire there were many comedies as well on the British Telly. I think it numbs the population, allowing the government to fulfill the decline with less complaint.

Possibly America is in the situation it is in because the Left and the Right cannot make the other laugh except unintentionally? I mean, genuinely, is this Ad a joke or a real product? Can you tell anymore?

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Good topic, OP.

 

[Little oak tree]

If you face something that totally violates previous perceptions you had of reality, chances are you will accept all the information as it comes becomes it's pure chaos and you were not prepared for it, you need thought and love patterns and in a different perspective they are all absurd.
Everything is an indoctrination, even the principles you make for yourself are limited and you could face events in which they are not valid, unless you are aware of every possible angle of a situation which sounds quite hard for a human.
The frequent assault of information could just make you tired to the point of not being critical anymore, but the absurd is a condition of life (or maybe not, what do i know)

 

[Inspector Rex]

Likewise, the nonsense humor of gen-z should, in theory, give them the advantage in picking apart propaganda in media and trends, yet, in practice, this has not been the case.

You can wrap your message in endless layers of irony, but the message is still there and can be delivered if you pick the right context. And if you fucked up and people start asking "wtf?", you always have the backup plan in saying that it's all post-irony and it's actually their fault in coming up with this shitty message.

So this is rather a weapon than a shield. Yeah, maybe the youth doesn't take some millionaire talking head on TV seriously, but that's not the first time when propaganda will be forced to change its format.

 

[Lensherr]

My best friend is an atheist who unabashedly embraces the Absurdist philosophy. He believes that life has no inherent meaning other than what you make of it, has a very ironic sense of humor, has trouble taking things seriously, and prefers to keep himself distracted with cartoons and video games. As a result, he lives a life of excess that has led him to balloon to around 300 lbs, is very disorganized (his apartment is a fucking pigsty), and has an unkempt appearance. In addition to his lack of discipline, he's a very blue pilled individual who uncritically swallows Regime propaganda. I've spent so much time arguing with him about politics, history, and world events, and it's frustrating, because he's much more articulate than I am and very stuck in his worldview.

What I'm saying is that I believe that OPs proposal that an overabundance of irony makes one more susceptible to indoctrination has merit. I've seen first hand what the effects of embracing an Absurdist worldview has on a person, and in my estimation, it instills a lack of discipline and uncritical acceptance of mainstream narratives, two things that the Regime wants to cultivate in a population to keep them numb to the fact that they've been enslaved.