Does America need someone to cross the Rubicon to save it from itself

[Darndirty]

This is something I've been pondering for a while, for those people who don't live in the USA I'm sure you've seen how crazy it has gotten here the past few years. I'm only 31 years old but I have never seen this country so divided and it seems like every day politicians and the 1% are taking more and more and do so by dividing us and keeping us at each others throats..

Now to the title of my thread many will know it as a reference to julius ceasar and his crossing of the Rubicon river on his way to Rome to seize control from the Senate and establishing the roman empire (granted Augustus finalized that) . In the 100 years before ceasar Rome was crippled by civil wars and almost all power was held by oligarchs it almost led to the ruin of Rome.


Now I'm not saying a dictatorship would be better what I mean by that statement is this Americans trust out military much more then our governmrnt , most of us see that the road were on may lead to ruin.

Does America need a strongman? Who but the military can stand up to the 1% of this country who will never willingly give up their wealth and power they hold. Politicians can't be trusted, businessmen can't be trusted.

They say history repeats itself, do you think this could be something that is repeated and what would the benefits or consequences of this ?

Note I say most of this in tounge and cheek obviously there are many examples of the military running things leading to worse violence and stripping of civil liberties (north korea, nazi germany, the soviets to name a few)

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

no

 

[Wallace]

You've got a very romantic view of the military. The higher echelons are just as invested in politics and the status quo as any other businessman. This isn't a uniquely American problem of the wealthy and powerful being assholes. It's been a problem for all of human civilization.

 

[AnOminous]

You've got a very romantic view of the military. The higher echelons are just as invested in politics and the status quo as any other businessman. This isn't a uniquely American problem of the wealthy and powerful being assholes. It's been a problem for all of human civilization.

All politics comes down to one simple fact: money attracts muscle. Either to protect it, or to take it from who has it.

 

[Long Sun]

America as never had a military government nor even dictatorship along roman lines . Now America may need someone along the lines of Pierre Trudeau someone who is willing to say "Just watch me" , someone who for better or worst is willing to do what they believe is needed for reform

Note Trudeau need use what amount to Senatus consultum ultimum or even assumed the dictatorship in proclaiming the War Measures Act

 

[TowinKarz]

No, next question

 

[DuskEngine]

Note I say most of this in tounge and cheek obviously

And yet you felt the need to make a thread about it

 

[on a serious note]

no

 

[Shokew]

Yeah right. We don't need America to become a full - on imperial dictatorship. No one will stand for that at all. Not today or tomorrow - and don't let anyone... ANYONE tell you otherwise, @Darndirty.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

I will try to respond to this query, seriously: extremely unlikely.

The American military is often romanticized and celebrated, but it is as amoral as any other group of gun-toting dudes. The constitution and the people mean nothing if it came down to it. Nor how much anyone hates the government. The government feeds them.

It fights for money, or because the government tells it to. The government will always be paying them, so they will always be loyal (unless the government runs out of money, somehow). There is no reason to presume they wouldn't turn the gun on their own towns, if ordered. They're an army. Killing for pay is their job, no matter who it is (and no matter what any teary-eyed patriot tries to tell you.) Every country in the history of forever was like this. I am not specifically attacking America. Ameriboos please do not freak out (but feel free to disagree.)

Just accept that the soldiers prop up the government that everyone hates and unless America loses a lot of money and influence (probably in hundreds of years, not in our lifetimes) basically nothing stands an odds-on chance of destroying it. Ironically, even itself.

In other words, keep dreaming. You're stuck with it.

 

[Strelok]

If you think the country is more divided than it's ever been, you haven't been paying attention. The 70s were worse with Vietnam protests that ended in actual bloodshed, the 50s were worse with Mccarthyism, the 20s were WAAAAAy worse, like anarchists firebombing government buildings worse. This is just a clear case of "my time is the most important time because I'm in it" with a dose of "I panic easily because I get all my news from the internet."

 

[autisticdragonkin]

If you think the country is more divided than it's ever been, you haven't been paying attention. The 70s were worse with Vietnam protests that ended in actual bloodshed, the 50s were worse with Mccarthyism, the 20s were WAAAAAy worse, like anarchists firebombing government buildings worse. This is just a clear case of "my time is the most important time because I'm in it" with a dose of "I panic easily because I get all my news from the internet."

Don't forget the 1860s

 

[TowinKarz]

If you think the country is more divided than it's ever been, you haven't been paying attention. The 70s were worse with Vietnam protests that ended in actual bloodshed, the 50s were worse with Mccarthyism, the 20s were WAAAAAy worse, like anarchists firebombing government buildings worse. This is just a clear case of "my time is the most important time because I'm in it" with a dose of "I panic easily because I get all my news from the internet."

People seem to also have totally forgotten who Timothy McVeigh was..... and that was a mere 20 years ago.

Every generation panics that the next one has no morals and only some uprising by nebulous "good" people will stop the decay, they are never ever EVER proven right.

And if you don't trust government or business to "do the right thing" how the HELL do you expect people with GUNS and accountable to NOBODY to?

 

[Tranhuviya]

lolno

Caesar was a populist politician, of the type who the corrupt patrician families in the Roman Senate used to made their fun out of poisoning once they got too popular. He just managed to have a very devoted follower in Antony, who could stoke the masses to getting off their asses and punishing the assassins.

 

[Pikimon]

Great idea! Let's establish a military junta dictatorship! It's not like theres a precedent of this kind of stuff going badly!

 

[Fatniggo1488]

2016 niggers were complete faggots

 

[mindlessobserver]

Caesarism certainly seems to have its own new appeal in the current year of woke overlords 2024.

 

[biglurker]

I'd rather have a Cincinnatus like person that could just kill all the corrupt retards, unfuck laws, and then step down so we can have a functioning Republic again.

 

[Odd Opossum]

This thread reminds me of when the 2020 election was going on, a bunch of spergs on here were completely seriously posting memes of Trump "crossing the Rubicon" and arresting a bunch of politicians for voter fraud.

2016 niggers were complete faggots

Nah, this forum could use a return to not being completely insane politically.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

2016: "We don't need to cross the Rubicon to save America"
2024: "Debemus servare Americam a se ipso"