Doomworld - AKA Troonworld, a dedicated safe space for pedophiles and megalomaniacs - Corrupting the Doom community since 2016

[God's Own Sling]

So essentially, Xaser took his mod, quietly put it as the default for the "remaster" and hid the option to disable it in a place where most people won't find it. Level changes to this degree are not mentioned on the store page, so I'm fully convinced that hiding this difference was absolutely the intention.

So yes, we have essentially reached the point where the KKKlub has just decided to override the original game with their own completely. Apparently, unlike Doom, Heretic simply wasn't good enough for them to keep intact.

I found the part where he pre-emptively justifies this:

"We need to re-evulauate our stance on IWAD map edits guyz - because I'm about to do it wholesale and get paid for it".

Lmao, even.

 

[Halbschwanz]

I found the part where he pre-emptively justifies this:

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"We need to re-evulauate our stance on IWAD map edits guyz - because I'm about to do it wholesale and get paid for it".

Lmao, even.

Remember when people got pissed at TeamTNT for making people pay for a mod hours before it released? Now they're not only making you pay for mods, they're insisting supplanting the original stuff is "official" and slapping a 33% price increase on it (remember that Heretic and Hexen were like $5 each before this bundle). You know for a fact anyone who has a problem with this would get banhammered for saying as much. Also it's interesting that Xaser tries to preempt it with "the rules were made to prevent asset flipping levels!" The guy who made E1M1 with 300 cyberdemons wasn't getting a paycheck for it. These clowns are.

 

[Staffy]

The absolute hubris of these people. It seems like the Heretic re-release incorporates the Wayfarer's Tome mod as a fundamental. These are the same ivory tower faggots who've spent the last 2 decades sperging about how editing IWADs is "le bad", btw. I guess it's okay when you're getting a paycheck to rush out bugged shit so you can get asspats at QuakeCon.

God, I remember this DW thread where someone asks about SLADE throwing out errors when he's attempting to save an IWAD. The first reply comes in, and surprise surprise it's a familiar name that you see all over the Doom related communities and forums telling "ackshually u shuld use pwad instead" to the point the thread starter tells him and someone else "because I want to, why is there a problem". As opposed to just providing the answer to his question and warn them why IWAD editing is disabled in SLADE to begin with. Or hell, just let them do what they want.

 

[NeonFlux]

The edits to the levels stem from this.

Everyday it gets easier to hate indie dev and AA devs. I don't feel guilty about pirating their shit anymore if they're going to just insult my intelligence like this.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

They've also used some alpha/beta textures (read: work that's either unfinished or was declared hopeless and abandoned by an actual professional video game pixel artist in 1994)

Because the oldschool dudes were artists first, and then worked with pixels - A lot of modern pixel artists draw only digitally, and without much referencing, which leads to results like the custom texture Nightdive included.

Or if they reference - they just trace. Troonworld Kool Kids already made a game called "Supplice" ("Torment" in french), where half of the textures are traced from Doom, just in a "higher" resolution.

So essentially, Xaser took his mod, quietly put it as the default for the "remaster" and hid the option to disable it in a place where most people won't find it. Level changes to this degree are not mentioned on the store page, so I'm fully convinced that hiding this difference was absolutely the intention.

Xaser has always been an arrogant man. In case you're wondering - Helix is his own map within this project (Plutonia Revisited Community Project). He can do some impressive technical tricks within Doom, but his overall gameplay quality suffers precisely because he only focuses on that. He's also a programmer, IIRC, so perhaps his ego, inflated by DW praise and confidence in his own skills makes him sure he knows better than a whole community and original developers of a game he is aiding in the remastering of.

 

[Mr. Duck]

There has been a slapfight in the last few days about the Heretic + Hexen remaster on Doomworld, mainly focused on how Xaser's levels are the default and not the original maps by Nightdive, the people bringing it up have done so in a rather respectful manner, but even with that, Doomworld users can't help themselves but to respond to them in a passive agressive manner, and dismiss it all as LE DUMB GAMUR COMPLIANTZ.

Spoiler: Initial posts pointing out the issue

This one even includes some glazing towards the remaster and Nightdive, before commenting on the issue.

Spoiler: Measured responses from Doomworld users

LEAVE NIGHTDIVE ALONE AND ACCEPT DOOMWORLD'S VISION AS IT IS, CHUD.


Those dumbass gamers are just damn NAZIS, they don't let US have FUN by... not agreeing with the changes?


Y-you are being disrespectful towards the poor devs by pointing out what they do, leave them alone PLZZZZ


Nigger, nobody who pointed it out was being disrespectful, but you see the most minimal complain as agressive gamers treating everyone as noobs, are these faggots only used to endless praise or what.


Yeah grandpa, go play the old ass maps in your ancient attic computer, and let us cool kidz enjoy the fanfic edition. (the argument was never that the content was lost, it's that Xaser's map are the default and that the option to change them back is going to be missed by the grand majority of users, also, go tell that to console players, retard).


One of the first posters tries to respond back to the retardation.


We can't have the original levels as a default, you see, we Doomworlders know better than those unwashed casuals, so we have to put our vision as a default.


NEW MAPS OR NOTHING, DADDY NIGHTDIVE KNOWS BETTER, OR ELSE THE CASUALS WILL NEVER PLAY OUR VERSION, REEE


Has this nigger ever been on any other videogame forum?, retarded slapfights are part of the game, but i guess all they want is just everyone being subservient and praising everything.


Tell me you have never played a 90s shovelware map pack without saying you have never played a 90s shovelware map pack (not to mention Doom and Doom 2 having their own share of bad/ugly maps that aren't up to modern standards themselves)


Nobody here is demanding that the option is ORIGINAL OR BUST, it's just to make the choice between original and enhanced more obvious, and not leave it behind a menu that most people will miss, even god awful remasters like Sonic the Hedgehog GBA got this one part right, but i guess that's too much to ask for Nightdive and their vision.

Also, Doomworld is being negative about this?, it's mainly just a few posters pointing this issue out while the rest of the forum goes full defensive about the situation (such as your self, NeoVaginaWorm)


CAN WE PWEASE GO BACK TO EXCLUSIVELY GLAZING THE REMASTER?!?!, WHY IS EVERYONE SUCH A MEANIE, REEEEEE


One of the posters who were pointing out the issue tries to reason back with Doomworlders via longpost, in particular in how some maps are straight up completely different layouts from the originals (don't bother nigger, they are a lost cause).


You aren't being polite enough, you have to go down your knees and suck the Doomworldcock, and then MAAAAAAAAAYBE we will consider responding to your opinions, scum.


I think new players are too stupid to choose between Original and Enhanced, so we have to make the choice for them.


You see CHUD, Heretic has too few textures, so we had to add all the rejected textures that looked like shit because more is better.


Oh fuck off Kinsie, you disingenuous hack.


I'm too stupid to handle choices, i need everything spoonfed to me.


THOSE DANG, DIRTY GATEKEEPERS KEPT ME AWAY FROM HAVING THE DOOMWORLD EDITION OF THE DOOM 1 AND 2 MAPS.

TL;DR Doomworld retards get very defensive and passive agressive at any kind of disagreement.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

Looking at this situation, I just can't help but imagine the reaction if I made a "remaster" of Doom/II/TNT/Plutonia but I threw in (some equivalent of) that stupid decoration system from Brutal Doom as a default, then released it to be sold for actual money. Like shit, that would arguably be less impactful than actually fucking with level geometry and I'm sure half of these troons and future troons would be trying to hunt me down to firebomb my apartment over it. Yet, when Xaser does it, it's okay I guess, because he's sucked all the right dicks and all the right people suck his dick like some Ouroboros of collective reputational fellatio.

I'm just so glad I checked out of active participation in this "community" a decade ago.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

You're never right when you argue with a bunch of power-hungry douchebags from Troonworld who think they're better than everyone else yet they're just social rejects in real life looking for clout to feed their ego and imaginary power.

 

[Goodstuff Goose]

If nothing else it's a really good example of how much they will stretch into pretzels just to defend their idols. I pity the fools in that thread trying to reason with them.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

There's Heretic for Zdoom, why the hell do we need a remaster?

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

There's Heretic for Zdoom, why the hell do we need a remaster?

Because it's easy money for poor suckers who don't know any better while these egocentric devs believe that their work is superior to the original and anyone who criticizes them are idiots.

 

[Retard Marine]

Aaaaaand thread locked with no explanation.

Floating head man also made a few posts which got deleted.

Spoiler: Deleted floating head man posts

Yeah, why not give your money to a company you don't like?


Don't talk shit about a Microsoft subsidiary, it really isn't a Microsoft subsidiary!


Not to mention that Nightdive itself is owned by large company (the ex-Infogrames Atari) in its own right these days.

Did he delete them himself? I think he has mod powers but I'm not entirely sure.

edit: Looks like there were many more now deleted posts from Scuba Steve, the effigy, and others as well. Scuba Steve probably locked the thread and deleted all the posts including his own. Here is the whole page before deletions:

Spoiler: Heretic + Hexen Page 12

nevermind:

 

[Give Them Enough Rope]

There's Heretic for Zdoom, why the hell do we need a remaster?

To get money from consolefags.

 

[Retard Marine]

Didn't really want to make a separate post for this, but the edit timer on the previous post expired.

Now I want to see what was on page 13.

BTW I've always wondered if this was the floating head guy in his wild AMD fanboy youth, same name and same tendency to use small i at least:

Spoiler: AMD fanboy on an Nvidia fanboy's blog I was following years ago

Also, there was a post from Redneckerz on Troonworld once where he mentioned he's using a machine with a CPU from the days AMD CPUs were utter garbage no sane person would buy (FXsomething) and IIRC a Radeon as well, so that tracks too.

 

[unaboomer]

Now I want to see what was on page 13.

> Thanks for the warning point
Buck status:

 

[WinRAR Free Trial]

Did you know that Nightdive has been described as an "art preservation and restoration" studio?

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[guiltyspark85]

When the Company Man met the Effigy and they shat up the Heretic+Hexen release thread together:

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This guy seems fucking insufferable. Even the DW staff sound like he's beginning to grate on them:

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https://archive.ph/vDGvs

I've noticed Edward's frequent rudeness on the official Nightdive Discord too. There'll be customers on there politely trying to get technical support, and he's flat out being a massive arsehole to them and telling them the way their game crashing is impossible. His manager really needs to tell him to stop engaging with customers online, because it's an extremely bad look.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

I've noticed Edward's frequent rudeness on the official Nightdive Discord too. There'll be customers on there politely trying to get technical support, and he's flat out being a massive arsehole to them and telling them the way their game crashing is impossible. His manager really needs to tell him to stop engaging with customers online, because it's an extremely bad look.

Do these people even report that kind of toxic attitude to Nightdive in the first place? What happened to addressing legitimate customer concerns in the past with patience? Now the attitude of these cunts is "it's your fucking fault why your game doesn't work!"

 

[John Shedletsky]

The edits to the levels stem from this:

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133275-wip-sacrilege-heretic-remix-project/

https://archive.is/bIZ90

And the changes are pretty extreme:
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(the screenshot is from the thread, but it looks like that in the Nightdive version as well)

It's not just texture changes -- it completely changes level geometry, enemy, weapon and item placement, and even completely replaces rooms and changes progression in places.

So essentially, Xaser took his mod, quietly put it as the default for the "remaster" and hid the option to disable it in a place where most people won't find it. Level changes to this degree are not mentioned on the store page, so I'm fully convinced that hiding this difference was absolutely the intention.

So yes, we have essentially reached the point where the KKKlub has just decided to override the original game with their own completely. Apparently, unlike Doom, Heretic simply wasn't good enough for them to keep intact.

Did they not include an option for the old levels? That seems ridiculous.
Nevermind, read through the rest of the thread. Man, this Xaser guy sounds like a faggot.

 

[Übermensch Doom Cuck]

He can do some impressive technical tricks within Doom, but his overall gameplay quality suffers precisely because he only focuses on that

Most of the KKKlub focus only on the visuals. Gameplay is the afterthought for them because they are clueless on how the gameplay works. Arlene and BridgeBurner are the perfect example of that.

Worst thing about this is this kind of mentality spreads around and breeds more garbage that barely runs on GZDoom. lmao

Large, overdetailed maps =/= better. It's a slog to go through them, especially with lag on top of it.