Drag shows are just the female equivalent of blackface minstrel shows, change my mind

[Certified_Autist]

To be clear this is not intended as a holier-than-thou moralizing post, I don't care about either drag or blackface performances. It's just strange to me that one is accepted and the other is widely condemned, when from my POV they are the same concept.

Blackface shows are considered derogatory in the present day because it was nonblacks dressing as an extremely exaggerated caricature of a black person, and doing performances based on that caricature. If drag was judged by the same standard as blackface it would be considered sexist, because drag is men dressing as a extremely exaggerated caricature of a woman and doing performances based on that caricature. Its the same concept.

Others have brought up this point, and the responses I saw defending it seem to argue that (most) drag isn't intended as derogatory or malicious, and women are ok with it so that means its not sexist. But, both of those responses could apply to minstrel shows too. Al Jolson was arguably the most famous blackface performer of all time, and his work was actually liked by many contemporary blacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jolson#Relations_with_African_Americans

But you will never see anyone defending minstrel shows on the basis that lots of blacks liked it at the time. Yet leftists defend drag shows on the basis that lots of women (supposedly) like it.

Call me autistic or retarded or whatever, but if I can dress up as a woman to act out retarded woman stereotypes, I should be able to dress up as a nigger to act out retarded nigger stereotypes.

Now if you dislike both, that is at least consistent. But I think that if you are ok with drag but not blackface, you are a hypocrite.

 

[Big Scumfuck]

Both drag and minstrel shows shouldn't be allowed honestly. They are low brow forms of entertainment pretending to be high brow and that's pretty cringe.

 

[Joe Swanson]

Oh they definitely started as that, but unlike Minstrel shows, no one gets off to being a nigger unlike all modern drag queens. And the left doesn't defend it because women like it, they defend it because it's a "expression" of faggotry

 

[Mask_de_SMITH]

Both drag and minstrel shows shouldn't be allowed honestly. They are low brow forms of entertainment pretending to be high brow and that's pretty cringe.

I could never understand why people even liked that kind of shit.

A dude dresses up like a girl and dances around? Like unless it gives you some kind of hard on, I just don't see the entertainment value in it. There's literally nothing to it. Maybe I just don't get it....

 

[TurdEthics]

I could never understand why people even liked that kind of shit.

A dude dresses up like a girl and dances around? Like unless it gives you some kind of hard on, I just don't see the entertainment value in it. There's literally nothing to it. Maybe I just don't get it....

I always just assumed that if you don't get it, it just means you're a heterosexual male.

 

[Getting tard comed]

You've never been to a drag show. There's not a women alive that's as funny as some gay guys in a dress.

On a more serious note, what's going on isn't a caricature of female stereotypes. It's something different, they aren't "pretending to be women". It's a different category, it's like you're watching being gay as a performance.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Crossdressing has been grandfathered into the queer spectrum, and is still stunning and brave for now.

 

[Mask_de_SMITH]

You've never been to a drag show. There's not a women alive that's as funny as some gay guys in a dress.

On a more serious note, what's going on isn't a caricature of female stereotypes. It's something different, they aren't "pretending to be women". It's a different category, it's like you're watching being gay as a performance.

Might as well just make a Twitter account. There's tons of gays doing enough retarded shit to keep you entertained. It costs the same amount of braincells to watch, and you get them all in mass. Some of them even pretend to be important!

 

[Certified_Autist]

There's not a women alive that's as funny as some gay guys in a dress.

Possibly true

On a more serious note, what's going on isn't a caricature of female stereotypes. It's something different, they aren't "pretending to be women". It's a different category, it's like you're watching being gay as a performance.

Bullshit. If it was simply "being gay as a performance" they would just go on the stage as gay men. They wouldn't be going to all the effort of dressing as female caricatures to do a show based around female stereotypes.

Your explanation is ridiculous too. Just imagine if they were dressing as blackface caricatures to do a minstrel show, using the exact same mental gymnastics you used for drag shows....

>>"white people dressing up as blacks and doing comedy about black stereotypes aren't pretending to be black, its a separate form of humor, like watching being white as a performance"

nobody with a brain would buy that in a million years.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Bullshit. If it was simply "being gay as a performance" they would just go on the stage as gay men. They wouldn't be going to all the effort of dressing as female caricatures to do a show based around female stereotypes. If they were dressing as blackface caricatures to do a minstrel show, using the exact same justification they use for drag shows ("they're not really pretending to be black, its a seperate form of humor") nobody with a brain would buy that.

If you haven't been to one you won't get it.

What exactly are the female stereotypes a drag show is based around?

 

[Certified_Autist]

If you haven't been to one you won't get it.

I get it just fine, I just think its dumb and that its acceptance is hypocritical given what I described in my OP.

What exactly are the female stereotypes a drag show is based around?

Lol what a non response.

"what female stereotypes are there in a show based around men dressing and acting like women"?

Seriously? What kind of question is that? Are you gaslighting or just extremely dense?

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

If you haven't been to one you won't get it.

What exactly are the female stereotypes a drag show is based around?

Just post pics of you in your drag costume so you can prove everyone wrong.

 

[DumbDude42]

blackface ministrel shows can be funny and entertaining. drag is just gross and repulsive all around, no redeeming qualities.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

On a more serious note, what's going on isn't a caricature of female stereotypes. It's something different, they aren't "pretending to be women". It's a different category, it's like you're watching being gay as a performance.

Wearing extravagant dresses, make-up, cattiness, the voices they put on, taking female or feminine names and being attracted to men.

If a drag queen came up to me and calls himself a woman while in such a disgusting caricature in my proximity, he best turn back into a man to fight me off cuz I'll beat the crap out of him.
He thinks he's being funny by using normal female behaviour as the punchline because, "Ha ha! Imagine being attracted to women!"

And someone please explain why women like drag shows. To me, that's like a black guy agreeing with the KKK.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I get it just fine, I just think its dumb and that its acceptance is hypocritical given what I described in my OP.

Lol what a non response, now you're just gaslighting.

"what female stereotypes are there in a show based around men dressing and acting like women"?

Seriously? What kind of question is that?

Calm down.

I asked the question because when you say "Bullshit. If it was simply "being gay as a performance" they would just go on the stage as gay men. They wouldn't be going to all the effort of dressing as female caricatures to do a show based around female stereotypes." I do not know what you mean.

When you say ""what female stereotypes are there in a show based around men dressing and acting like women"?" I still don't know what you mean. Is the stereotypes wearing a ballgown and putting on make up and a wig? I wasn't aware that that specifically was a stereotype.

I thought Deep Thoughts was about discussion, if it's not that's fine. If it is, let me know what female stereotype you think drag shows are based around.

 

[Pee Cola]

How does OP feel about drag shows where all the actors are in blackface and sing minstrel-style songs?

 

[Next Task]

In a way, drag is a form of clowning. It's also parody with respect. But perhaps most importantly, the leftys who get angriest about drag are always the worst people anyway.

There's an argument to be made that the minstrelsy in performing in drag is different from blackface minstrelsy in that in theory drag is a take on 51% of the population, while blackface minstrel shows are about an (at the time) persecuted minority with more mockery than satire, but that's just an incredibly rough formulation that I've come up with off the spot. I also think turning blackface into a hypersensitive, context-free issue makes the hypocrisy in accepting one but completely condemning the other more blatant. But these sorts of arguments come from people who will REEEEEEE about gender and race being social constructs, but defend to the death transgenderism but attack to the death transracialism.

So I think they're different, especially culturally, but you're right there's a great deal of hypocrisy from many of the people who defend drag because YAASS KWEEN SLAY but hate blackface because MUST BE RACIST BLACK PEOPLE TOLD ME. They're not deep thinkers.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Wrong. Minstrels didn't actually think they were Black, nor did they insist you must think they're really Black.
Also, I don't want all Minstrels dead, so that's another important difference.

 

[Getting tard comed]

And someone please explain why women like drag shows. To me, that's like a black guy agreeing with the KKK.

Seeing as women do like them, as women are atleast half of the audience who go to drag shows, wouldn't that be a sign your base assumptions are wrong?

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Is anything inherently wrong with a minstrel show?