The whole Gloam-Eyed Queen is really Marika theory might hold weight and could explain a lot. It fits into the great mother/dark mother dualistic archetype - like the Virgin Mary/Mary Magdalene and the Egyptian Isis. You, the player, are the obviously dying and rising sacrificial king consort - the Jesus/Osirian figure - which meshes well with the theory of the main player being the reincarnation of Godwyn as well as Melina resperesting a differnet part of Marika. The great mother begets (Golden Order) and destroys (Gloam Eyed Queen/Golden Order), and you represent the potential creation and regeneration of a new world and order with the great mother Marika herself.
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I understand the sentiment as it's my favorite game ever but they do not own the IP. The company that does is full of retards that despise making profits.
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I know, I’m just making a joke. I know it’s really a Sony issue
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while cool, I believe fully that Melina is the GEQ, or whatever is left of her, her connection to the Rune of Death is undeniable.
I would say the Jesus figure is Miquella, but they are firmly the Lucifer figure, good and ill, with Mohg taking on the Satan imagery as the flipside.
I would say the person who takes on the Jesus archetype is likely Radagon himself, and is also the "Son of God and also part of God".
Marika come across both Pagan and Christian, and as does her entire religion, which is the point, she, and her religion, are almost quintessentially allegoric to the Holy Roman Empire, with her being a Pagan who crafted her own new Religion, also her great and hated enemy, the Horned Ones, are very Muslim in aesthetic, which prior to the DLC was one of the missing allegoric entities to make this fit.
Godwyn cannot reincarnate, he is representative of Buddhism, he "achieved enlightenment" and escaped Samsara, this is why he is a grotesque take on a Buddha Statue in depiction.
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lol what? Literally 2000 years pass since the shattering and everyone is fucking around at the same place waiting for the player to kill them.
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I mean there were all kinds of battles and shit, they basically ran out of shit to fight with, you are in the stagnant period where everything is fucked and all the major forces are broken up, dead, rotted, or w/e.
ostensibly many many Tarnished have come to take their shot and all failed, you are just the lucky winner because a spirit horse liked your smell which made Melina want to help you, and that made Ranni want to help you.
Both Radagon and the main player are the sacrificial king/consort archetype, with the main player killing the prior one in order to replace him as the consort to Marika. In James Frazer's research on archaic religion, he mentions the Roman ritual of runaway slaves (tarnished) touching the golden bough of a specific tree in order to duel with the king of the woods in order to replace him. The king is aware of this rite and must always be prepared for battle (Radagon Fight/inside a literal tree). Both Miquella and Godwyn are the Horus/Jesus son-sun archetype - however both failed in their initiations. This all aligns with the concept of the trinity (Father/Mother/Son-Sun), and why it's in the main symbol of the game. The whole killing of the king ritual is a standard motif in all the souls works - Elden Ring is just more refined on this motif compared to the prior releases, mostly due to the bigger open world in need of more content.
Marika could be a traditional triple goddess (Maiden=Melina/Mother=Marika/Crone=Gloam-Eyed Queen). It's highly possible Miyazaki just read Joseph Campbell and implemented/further expanded these concepts in his games.
Mohg is definitely more aligned with the dark lord archetype, like Hades, especially given his palace is underground. The constant allusion to blood really added to the whole satanic vibe and felt uneasy at times. He and his brother could represent the Gemini twins, Astor and Pollux. Rykard and his sect had a more Sethian Gnostic vibe with the whole snake worshiping heretical order aspect.
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all of this is true, but remember, as much as there is christian, gnostic, and pagan allegories, there is also, more than anything, Alchemical.
Marika quite literally tries/succeeds to complete the Rebis/Divine Hermaphrodite, and this rituals completetion (complete with making True Gold) is shown to us in the DLC cinematic trailer
This is why Miquella does the same and needs the Red Sulfur King to his White Platinum Queen and why Marika fused with/created Radagon, who was not Sulfur in the end, but actually fools gold and is likely why everything went to shit.
Yeah, alchemy really glues it all together. Alchemy itself is a syncretic science/tradition of Abrahamic and old paganism brought over to the Occident by Arabs and Jews. I'm not too hip on the Kabbalah, but you could throw that in there for sure, given the whole tree of life and death aspect and the use of classic archetypes. That's one I have to read up on more.
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everyone who matters is trying to use it to become a God, despite the folly of it, its opposite force is the "Frenzied Flame" which is the jewish idea of Tikkum Olam, which is by far one of the most evil ideologies to ever exist and is likely why Frenzied Flame is depicted as such a horror show.
Its quite impressive when you realize just how many of the factions/forces align with real world ideologies/religions/groups that interacted with each other in the time period of the Holy Roman Empire, for instance, Scarlet Rot is obviously Shinto shit as it represents the negatives, stagnation and rot, and is beaten by flowing water, this is the main reason Romina is a Centipede, which is tied to Shinto ideas of stagnation and corruption.
Melania, despite being the literal Embodiement of Scarlet Rot as a proto-Goddess, was trained by the very same fairy trained flowing blind swordsman who defeated the Rot God previously, and is why she uses his technique, the "Water Fowl Technique" which is something he was trained by the Fairy based off a duck splashing in water.. very funny that the games most feared blade technique has both a silly and incredibly serious/vaunted origin.
Shame the didn't finish her storyline, you can give the perfected needle to her bud after beating her, gifted by one of her budded flower daughters who rejected becoming an embodiment of the Rot, Millicent, I'd have liked that Melania be the one Godling who rejected her nature/destiny.. Ranni think she did, but I think she fulfills her destiny fully if you go with her ending, all of the Demi-Gods seem cursed from birth, Miquella most of all, the curse of nascency, to never complete or acheive anything, always in the process.
You could extend that to any decaying "midland" empire that encompasses various peoples and cultures, as they all share similar stories of rise and fall.
I'm not familiar with Shinto, so that explains a lot. I only caught onto the Buddhist motif of the lotus flower since wisdom is usually equated with the feminine, and she looks like the typical female battle maiden type like the Valkyries, or an Athena type who herself represents wisdom.
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Godefroy split my soul in two timelines. The other guy thought "lol what a retarded piece of shit to put in a game WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS" while I pretend to go with "wow, so it's even deeper and so much more conceptually wild than I thought"
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yea just a gameplay excuse to fight the boss again, not everything is narratively important.
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I still like Elden Ring. I don't like some aspects, and I do believe delaying the DLCs to make it one big mess was a mistake, but I enjoy it. I'm never replaying the game dlc though unlike all their other prior souls works, especially after nerfing the fun lightning bottle spam. You had to invest a lot into the damn thing it should have stayed, it's okay to have busted magic.
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It might be my favorite game, as it takes me to places no other games quite can, but I hate so much about it. It's probably the only game in my imaginary top10 list that can continuously make me seethe in retarded anger and disappointment.
It's very bittersweet. It finds strange ways to take turns in over- and underperforming in almost all things.
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It's everything Breath Of The Wild will never be but even more breathtaking and infuriating.
I love BOTW so far but I think elden ring does it a bit better, except for the pitfall of useless crafting items in chests.
It's hard to compare a game like BOtw to elden ring since on paper Zelda has more going on than elden ring does in terms of the way you interact with the world. Souls was still influenced by Zelda to an extent. Most games owe it to Link.
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Pre and current patch Shadow Of The Erdtree is their worst DLC. Change my mind.
It literally does nothing. It's so bad and has a weak ending that solves nothing. The final boss you engage with has one of the worst final cutscenes I've ever seen in their games. All of the rest of the OPTIONAL bosses are way better. That's not good, especially compared to their usual quality of final bosses in DLC.
This unused cutscene of Miquella does more for me than any of his bullshit in the dlc.
One of the DLCs own landmarks features prominently in promotional materials, lead to NOTHING. The fucking Scadutree. Means nothing.
Leads me to certify that this should not have been combined in development. It should have been split up because the story is a fucking mess of ideas from initially split storylines.
It literally does nothing. It's so bad and has a weak ending that solves nothing. The final boss you engage with has one of the worst final cutscenes I've ever seen in their games. All of the rest of the OPTIONAL bosses are way better. That's not good, especially compared to their usual quality of final bosses in DLC.
This unused cutscene of Miquella does more for me than any of his bullshit in the dlc.
One of the DLCs own landmarks features prominently in promotional materials, lead to NOTHING. The fucking Scadutree. Means nothing.
Leads me to certify that this should not have been combined in development. It should have been split up because the story is a fucking mess of ideas from initially split storylines.
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