Science Electronics-recycling innovator is going to prison for trying to extend computers' lives - Michaelsoft sues 1 man

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-microsoft-copyright-20180426-story.html

A Southern California man who built a sizable business out of recycling electronic waste is headed to federal prison for 15 months after a federal appeals court in Miami rejected his claim that the "restore discs" he made to extend computers' lives had no financial value, instead ruling that he had infringed on Microsoft Corp. to the tune of $700,000.

The appeals court upheld a federal district judge's ruling that the discs Eric Lundgren made to restore Microsoft operating systems had a value of $25 apiece, even though the software they contained could be downloaded free and the discs could only be used on computers that already had a valid Microsoft license. The U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeals initially granted Lundgren an emergency stay of his prison sentence, shortly before he was to surrender, but then affirmed his original 15-month sentence and $50,000 fine without hearing oral argument in a ruling issued April 11.

Lundgren, 33, has become a renowned innovator in the field of electronic waste, or e-waste, using discarded parts to do things such as construct an electric car, which in a test far outdistanced a Tesla on a single charge. He built the first "electronic hybrid recycling" facility in the United States, which turns discarded cellphones and other electronics into functional devices, slowing the stream of harmful chemicals and metals contained in those devices into landfills and the environment. His Chatsworth company, IT Asset Partners, processes more than 41 million pounds of e-waste each year and counts IBM, Motorola and Sprint among its clients.

"This is a difficult sentencing," U.S. District Judge Daniel T.K. Hurley told him last year, "because I credit everything you are telling me. You are a very remarkable person."

Before he launched IT Asset Partners, Lundgren lived in China learning about the stream of e-waste, and also finding ways to send cheap parts to the U.S. to keep electronics running. One of his projects was to manufacture thousands of "restore discs," supplied by computer makers as a way for users to restore Windows software to a hard drive if it crashes or must be erased. The discs can only be used on a computer that already has a license for the Windows operating system, and the license transfers with the computer for its full life span. But computer owners often lose or throw out the discs, and though the operating system can be downloaded free on a licensed computer, Lundgren realized that many people didn't feel competent to do that, and were simply throwing out their computers and buying new ones.

Lundgren had 28,000 of the discs made and shipped to a broker in Florida. Their plan was to sell the discs to computer refurbishing shops for about 25 cents apiece, so the refurbishers could provide the discs to used-computer buyers and wouldn't have to take the time to create the discs themselves. And the new user might be able to use the disc to keep their computer going the next time a problem occurred.

But in 2012, U.S. Customs officers seized a shipment of discs and began investigating. The discs were never sold. Eventually, the Florida broker, Robert Wolff, called Lundgren and offered to buy the discs himself as part of a government sting, Lundgren said. Wolff sent Lundgren $3,400 and the conspiracy was cemented. Both were indicted on a charge of conspiracy to traffic in counterfeit goods and criminal copyright infringement. Wolff made a plea deal and received a sentence of six months of home arrest.

Lundgren pleaded guilty but argued that the value of his discs was zero, so there was no harm to anyone. Neither Microsoft nor any computer manufacturers sell restore discs. They supply them free with new computers, and make the software available for free downloading, for those who have paid for the software and received a license — typically a sticker with a "certificate of authenticity" number on it. Lundgren said that he was trying to make the discs available again for those who needed them, and that they could only be used on licensed computers.

Initially, federal prosecutors valued the discs at $299 each, or the cost of a brand new Windows operating system, and Lundgren's indictment alleged he had cost Microsoft $8.3 million in lost sales. By the time of sentencing, a Microsoft letter to Hurley and a Microsoft expert witness had reduced the value of the discs to $25, stating that was what Microsoft charged refurbishers for the discs.

But both the letter and the expert were pricing a disc that came with a Microsoft license. "These sales of counterfeit operating systems displaced Microsoft's potential sales of genuine operating systems," Microsoft lawyer Bonnie MacNaughton wrote to the judge. But Lundgren's discs had no license; they were intended for computers that already had licenses.

Glenn Weadock, a former expert witness for the government in its antitrust case against Microsoft, was asked: "In your opinion, without a code, either product key or COA [certificate of authenticity], what is the value of these reinstallation discs?"

"Zero or near zero," Weadock said.

Why would anybody pay for one? Lundgren's lawyer asked.

"There is a convenience factor associated with them," Weadock said.

Still, Hurley decided that Lundgren's 28,000 restore discs had a value of $700,000, and that dollar amount qualified Lundgren for a 15-month term, along with a $50,000 fine. The judge said he disregarded Weadock's testimony. "I don't think anybody in that courtroom understood what a restore disc was," Lundgren said.

A three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit deferred to Hurley in his judgment that Weadock was not credible, and that "while experts on both sides may have identified differences in functionality in the discs, [Hurley] did not clearly err in finding them substantially equivalent."

Randall Newman, Lundgren's lawyer on the appeal, said there was no basis to seek a rehearing from the full 11th Circuit. Lundgren said an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court would be a costly long shot.

But he said the court had set a precedent for Microsoft and other software makers to pursue criminal cases against those seeking to extend the lifespans of computers. "I got in the way of their agenda," Lundgren said, "this profit model that's way more profitable than I could ever be."

Lundgren said he wasn't sure when he would be surrendering. He said prosecutors in Miami told him he could have a couple of weeks to put his financial affairs in order, including plans for his company of more than 100 employees. "But I was told if I got loud in the media, they'd come pick me up," Lundgren said. "If you want to take my liberty, I'm going to get loud."

A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office in Miami declined to comment Monday.

"I am going to prison, and I've accepted it," Lundgren said Monday. "What I'm not OK with is people not understanding why I'm going to prison. Hopefully my story can shine some light on the e-waste epidemic we have in the United States, how wasteful we are. At what point do people stand up and say something? I didn't say something, I just did it."

I wouldn't call burning Windows on a disk "innovation".
 
His mistake was reselling Microsoft discs instead of just installing GNU/Linux. Microsoft is notoriously anal about refurbishers who don't buy keys straight from them.
Im honestly not following his plan. If you have windows and need a restore, windows give you the iso and applications to burn to a disc or to a usb, so it's free directly from windows. If you're already searching for a restor disc from this guy, you've probably already came across an official windows site with the downloads and instructions.
 
Im honestly not following his plan. If you have windows and need a restore, windows give you the iso and applications to burn to a disc or to a usb, so it's free directly from windows. If you're already searching for a restor disc from this guy, you've probably already came across an official windows site with the downloads and instructions.
I doubt even 80% of Windows users know what an ISO is.

What happened is that a fraction of new computer sales is due to dumb people just buying a new one whenever a problem comes up, and this conceivably might have convinced a lemming to try a restoration CD instead of buying the latest new product from Microshit.

Also it's nice to see the U.S and Microsoft working so well together, after that anti-trust lawsuit people were concerned tech companies would have to follow the law.
 
Im honestly not following his plan. If you have windows and need a restore, windows give you the iso and applications to burn to a disc or to a usb, so it's free directly from windows. If you're already searching for a restor disc from this guy, you've probably already came across an official windows site with the downloads and instructions.
Also, which version of windows are we talking about here? Microsoft plan is to outright toss everything that's not Windows 10 into the legacy vault. Even if someone manages to get a hold of 10.000 Windows Vista/7/8 copies, who would want them? I can almost see the lawyers working for MS salivating for an easy case here but, c'mon, the dude is doing recycling. That's a mayor dick move.

In the other hand, there's something kind of shady about the transaction he tried to pull with the Florida guys. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more the press is not covering.
 
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Good job, you lack reading comprehension. Microsoft is just going to lose ground because they can't innovate. I'm sorry you got all grumpy that I made you read something you disagreed with too. :'(
They're losing ground, it's just to smartphones and Chromebooks, and it's because Microsoft blew their mobile market share on rewriting their mobile OS multiple times and trying to resell a early 2000s era mobile OS in the post iPhone era. Until you can walk into a Wal-Mart and buy a laptop with Linux, it won't have too much market share.


Are the terms super restrictive and tap dancing over the line of bullshit? That's up to you. Personally, my money is on ReactOS eventually coming into it's own because I literally tried out major Linux distros again for the past few days and they still don't play nice with any enthusiast level GPU. I'm optimistic though because I expect Microsoft to see a lot of challenge from FOSS in the future than it has faced in the past.
ReactOS is never going to realistically take off, it's hardware and app support is far worse than Linux, and it still refuses to boot on most hardware. Linux on the other hand will at least boot into a text prompt even if the GPU isn't even supported for just 2d.

Also, which version of windows are we talking about here? Microsoft plan is to outright toss everything that's not Windows 10 into the legacy vault. Even if someone manages to get a hold of 10.000 Windows Vista/7/8 copies, who would want them? I can almost see the lawyers working for MS salivating for an easy case here but, c'mon, the dude is doing recycling. That's a mayor dick move.

In the other hand, there's something kind of shady about the transaction he tried to pull with the Florida guys. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more the press is not covering.
There probably is, keep in mind that Microsoft has their own refurbisher program, and it straight up says on the page that you'll get busted if you do what this guy did, as in factory restore the PCs without the original media. It's why they sell product keys in bulk for major discounts to refurbishers, and if you walk into a store like Micro Center and find a refurb for sale it'll have little stickers that say they're refurb licenses on the machines themselves.
 
What did the guy expect? He might have been morally right, but a large company like Microsoft will defend its licence agreements in court.

Also, it's not like he didn't know better - he runs a company employing 100 people, and surely has legal counsel. Also the disks were pretty clearly meant to look like official products with Dell logos and everything. This is not a case of a nerd getting sued for a couple of CD-Rs with 'Windows Restore' written with black marker.

Microsoft is a steaming pile of shit, but this case isn't nearly as black and white as it's portrayed.
 
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If he really wanted to shake things up he should’ve made system image recovery less of a pain in the ass.

I feel bad that the guy is going to prison but I’m dumb and can’t figure out how he didn’t realize monetizing something you can do for free through the OS itself was a bad idea, or conversely why what he did was illegal when third parties charge for their services in computer maintenance all the time. Point being it seems like somebody isn’t thinking things through.
 
Being someone who works in computer repair, I'm familiar with Microsoft's (and Apple's) licensing shenanigans.

They give us the software needed to make restore discs, but we cannot give it to clients. We can make DVDs of it to use to repair computers, but we have to destroy the discs/wipe the USB drives after we're done using it every single time according to their rules. We have USB drives with the Windows 10 media that are only supposed to be used to upgrade PCs to the latest version and can't be used to reinstall the OS fresh, which is when we have to make our own media. We can make restore media for clients if they ask, but only if it's off their PC's own recovery partition.

It's astonishingly stupid. I understand the thing about not just giving it to clients, but the other details don't make any sense and are difficult to actually enforce. Those upgrade drives for example get used restore PCs all the time because there's no way to tell the difference between those and a disc we just made.

Another note is that manufacturers do actually sell restore discs/drives. You have to order them and I don't think any branded PC comes with them or has in well over a decade.
 
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A modern day Tesla would go to prison instead of merely dying penniless, it seems.
 
What did the guy expect? He might have been morally right, but a large company like Microsoft will defend its licence agreements in court.

Also, it's not like he didn't know better - he runs a company employing 100 people, and surely has legal counsel. Also the disks were pretty clearly meant to look like official products with Dell logos and everything. This is not a case of a nerd getting sued for a couple of CD-Rs with 'Windows Restore' written with black marker.

Microsoft is a steaming pile of shit, but this case isn't nearly as black and white as it's portrayed.

He's going to prison because he pirated Windows XP in 2013? :story:
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I know there's a Windows 7 example but even that's depreciated now.
 
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Fedora should have stuck to literally recycling computers by turning parts into other stuff, not refurbishing them with pirated Windows copies when computers have been all about planned obsolescence for a good twenty-five years. Where's he even going to sell them, a Third World country so they can break them all in a year and dump them anyway?
 
Fedora should have stuck to literally recycling computers by turning parts into other stuff, not refurbishing them with pirated Windows copies when computers have been all about planned obsolescence for a good twenty-five years. Where's he even going to sell them, a Third World country so they can break them all in a year and dump them anyway?
That'd probably be a better use for the ones he already refurbished than having them sold off to clueless Americans who don't know any better.
 
He "recycled" computer waste by getting 28,000 discs manufactured that he could then sell for .25 cents a pop ($7,000). I'd be pissed too if some guy was selling my licensed software for $7,000.
 
In the interview louis rossmann posted, the guy says he wore his fedora to court.

No sympathy.

Edit: This one.

I think Rossman is going to be walking this whole thing back. He posted one of those weird text things you can only see inside the YouTube app about this. For the life of me I can't figure out how to access it on my laptop, or even find it on my phone now, but the gist of it was that he and "trusted members of my discord server" are going to be going through all the court documents.

Rossman seemed kind of pissed, like he felt like he'd been played and that this guy dragged "right to repair" (one of Rossman's hobby horses) into this whole business just as a ploy. We shall see.
 
I think Rossman is going to be walking this whole thing back. He posted one of those weird text things you can only see inside the YouTube app about this. For the life of me I can't figure out how to access it on my laptop, or even find it on my phone now, but the gist of it was that he and "trusted members of my discord server" are going to be going through all the court documents.

Rossman seemed kind of pissed, like he felt like he'd been played and that this guy dragged "right to repair" (one of Rossman's hobby horses) into this whole business just as a ploy. We shall see.
He'll be probably doing that I bet.
Microsoft also made a blog post about this saying he was running a counterfeit operation out of China/India, and the people who brought the case on him were the US Customs agents, not Microsoft.
 
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