Eugenics, can we have a serious conversation, in this day, in this age?

[troon patrol]

I have no quarrel with the working man or woman blue collar or otherwise. It's those in society that require more resources than they contribute, while were at it lets lower the bar of "contribute" to everything from blue collar to philosophers who actually have made change on society for the better. (2 years community college in philosophy, and continually unemployed for decades doesn't count and fuck you for asking). If someone is asking: where do we start? its simple we start with 3 groups, the first: the terminalyl ill who willfully want to die with dignity / the human vegetables such as Terry Schiavo who do not have brain function enough to even recognize pain. After that we start keeping tabs on the NEETS who are clearly mentally and physically capable of pulling thier own wieght, holding down a normal job but live off SSDI (united states lazy fuck bucks) I'm only brainstorming here but, lets say we confront them, when identified as simply unwilling to work we cut SSDI within a year after identified as simpy unwilling to work, not quite even eugenics. The 3rd group the mentally ill/heavy substance abusers homeless, countless violent felonies they offer nothing to society, some have even racked up 40-50 felony convictions before the age of 30 and yet in major metropolitan cites they roam free skip bail free to assault the next person, the system is obviosuly broken especially when they have children who 90% end up severally mentally disabled form fetal alcohol syndrome to brain damage from psychical abuse. The uninted states constitution 8th amendment prevents steriliation (please someone correct me if I'm wrong here) but, I think we can offer incarceration OR sterilization post conviction at convicts choice in a judicual context without violating any known constitution law. This alone would vastly reduce the next mentally incapacitated generation. We are not talking about the mentally handicapped that work jenitorial or cashier jobs but those so mentally crippled they act out sexually violently before they have even reached 18 (google this for christ sake it's real) or simply are prone to unprovoked violence. I think I've been on my soapbox enough here. I'd like to hear some other opinions if eugenics has a place in a first world nation Such as the united states or Canada.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Dude, you didn't even bother to format your low hanging bait before posting it; Fuck you.

 

[troon patrol]

Dude, you didn't even bother to format your low hanging bait before posting it; Fuck you.

I'm not going to lie I'm not sure what you mean by "bait". Doesn't appear anyone read beyond the word "eugenics" before stamping "autism" and moving on to browsing threads on Hitler and troons. I think my question has be answered in record time, the vast majority weren't willing to state why eugenics is more taboo than the previous mention topics which is kinda funny now that I think about it.

 

[Rokko]

Reading this is the equivalent of chewing sand.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

I actually bothered to read your ungodly undiluted autistic post and everything you said has nothing to do with eugenics, what you're talking about is simple elimination of the economical burden that those unfortunate enough cause to a nation, and it's fucking ret.arded.

A good man can produce a furry kid and a serial killer can produce a Newton, eliminating something like down syndrome by eugenics is possible, but each individual is the product of their intelligence and surroundings and while genes play a big role in this, trying to "craft" a perfect human is impossible unless you know where you're gonna put it and what specifically want him to do.

A man is as good as the circumstance that he is in.
In a battle field I'd rather have a fucking mass murderer next to me than some brainiac that will cower at the first shoot or if I need to lift some heavy shit I'll ask the nearest mongoloid to do it for me counting on his tard strength.
Even a vegetable have his use, better yet if they feel no pain and you wanna test some new drug.

 

[Shiggy Diggster]

Didn't read but the serious conversation about eugenics has already happened. The West decided on the infinity niggers plan instead and China is lab engineering the perfect ant man while sterilizing their durka durka problem people, like the ballers that they are.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Serious discussion on eugenics sure no problem.


-It's a bad idea which wouldnt pan out in real life.

Thread over.

 

[Randall Fragg]

The 8th Amendment of the US Constitution does not outlaw sterilization you idiot. Buck v. Bell upheld the constitutionality of eugenics laws in 1927, and has never been explicitly overturned (however, like Koramatsu, most legal scholars today view it as a bad decision, and it would likely be overturned if it came up today.)

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

If we're doing this based on intelligence then I'd have to say that OP is definitely on the chopping block.

 

[Get_your_kicks_with_30-06]

I mean Eugenics in theory would probably work and produce (at least genetically) prime ubermensch. But there's this little problem of something humans have called morality and realizing that not everything can be solved by just having a strong population.

 

[Yaniv’s Hairy Balls]

Why would you bother wasting the money on sterilization of vegetables? If you’re not bright enough to realize you shouldn’t be fucking coma patients you’re the one in need of neutering.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Lol, nice OP.


Eugenics is infinitely desirable and every country that doesn't participate will be left in the dust. Though a smart eugenicist would not focus only on creating prime stock of humans, but also diluting/weakening the stock of its natural enemies/competitors.

It takes the phrase "man is both marble and sculptor" to the next level.

Of course it's as desirable as the industrial revolution was; it made things both infinitely better and infinitely worse.

And make no mistake; we've been eugenicists for as long as we've existed as a species. Every time we select partners on looks or intelligence, we on a tiny level engage in eugenics.

 

[Army Burger]

Fuck off back to the afterlife Mr. Weiland.

 

[troon patrol]

I actually bothered to read your ungodly undiluted autistic post and everything you said has nothing to do with eugenics, what you're talking about is simple elimination of the economical burden that those unfortunate enough cause to a nation, and it's fucking ret.arded.

A good man can produce a furry kid and a serial killer can produce a Newton, eliminating something like down syndrome by eugenics is possible, but each individual is the product of their intelligence and surroundings and while genes play a big role in this, trying to "craft" a perfect human is impossible unless you know where you're gonna put it and what specifically want him to do.

A man is as good as the circumstance that he is in.
In a battle field I'd rather have a fucking mass murderer next to me than some brainiac that will cower at the first shoot or if I need to lift some heavy shit I'll ask the nearest mongoloid to do it for me counting on his tard strength.
Even a vegetable have his use, better yet if they feel no pain and you wanna test some new drug.

Now this is the discussion I was hoping for. You're right, this is hardly the literal definition of eugenics, just the starting point where people can find common ground. Now organized sterilization programs of society's useless as I mention is most certainly eugenics but, I'm not here to argue semantics of definition.

Your playing the odds of exception, I'm going to assume you don't live in major metropolitan city where the homeless drop trou fuck behind a dumpster and 8 months later a brain-damaged premature child is born. The odds are about 500:1 the kid is not going to be fukt, and a general drain on society, doped up on RX benzo groups daily to prevent outbursts. There's no crafting here just stopping a cycle from repeating.

I was never in combat but, there is a very good reason we send our commanding officers to westpoint, to be educated on the strategy of war managing resources, understanding combat fatigue. etc etc. besides that the "maniac" is getting section 8 before hes issued a field weapon. The "brainiac" field LT of a forward operating base is going to identify an entity, decide if its hostile, quantify the threat and if they have the luxery call in an A10 or specter, the "maniac" runs at a target well beyond the effective range of 5.56 ammo, flips the selector to full auto or 3 round burst and runs into open territory firing giving away the entire groups position. TLDR, tard with a gun is still just a tard.

Do we test new drugs on vegetables or do we spend 10K a day keeping them alive and changing bedpans? Your argument is only valid if they actually do. obviously my opinion is let them die with dignity and give the organs to those who need them.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

God damn it, you're going all over the place with this.

Your playing the odds of exception, I'm going to assume you don't live in major metropolitan city where the homeless drop trou fuck behind a dumpster and 8 months later a brain-damaged premature child is born. The odds are about 500:1 the kid is not going to be fukt, and a general drain on society, doped up on RX benzo groups daily to prevent outbursts. There's no crafting here just stopping a cycle from repeating.

Yes you're right, I love countrysides and avoid urban clusterfucks, but back to this, you're not gonna solve with sterilization what has been a social problem since the day humans build the first urban center with more than 100 people. I rather play the odds because every time there's a major breakthrough on any field is always made by that exception, not necessarily a poorfag junkie but hope you get the idea.

I was never in combat but, there is a very good reason we send our commanding officers to westpoint, to be educated on the strategy of war managing resources, understanding combat fatigue. etc etc. besides that the "maniac" is getting section 8 before hes issued a field weapon. The "brainiac" field LT of a forward operating base is going to identify an entity, decide if its hostile, quantify the threat and if they have the luxery call in an A10 or specter, the "maniac" runs at a target well beyond the effective range of 5.56 ammo, flips the selector to full auto or 3 round burst and runs into open territory firing giving away the entire groups position. TLDR, tard with a gun is still just a tard.

My example was two extremes just to prove a point, in combat you only learn what you and others are really made of when shit hits the fan, so you never know if the guy next to you is a pussy with a rifle or a tard with a rifle.

Do we test new drugs on vegetables or do we spend 10K a day keeping them alive and changing bedpans? Your argument is only valid if they actually do. obviously my opinion is let them die with dignity and give the organs to those who need them.

Several times on several countries the question of what to do with brain dead people always go back to the same answer, let the family decide.

Overall the entire answer to your post can be summarize with this quote.

And make no mistake; we've been eugenicists for as long as we've existed as a species. Every time we select partners on looks or intelligence, we on a tiny level engage in eugenics.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

A good man can produce a furry kid and a serial killer can produce a Newton, eliminating something like down syndrome by eugenics is possible, but each individual is the product of their intelligence and surroundings and while genes play a big role in this, trying to "craft" a perfect human is impossible unless you know where you're gonna put it and what specifically want him to do.

There's also the factor that things we consider to be desirable traits also often carry side effects we'd consider negative that are never accounted for.

Intelligence is one thing a eugenicist would breed for, and yet a higher intelligence has long been correlated with a vastly higher susceptibility to mental illness and depression. For many years Sickle Cell was also considered an undesirable trait but then was proven to provide sufferers with immunity to malaria hence it was these people, not the "healthy", who were truly the fittest to survive in their habitat.

There is a good argument for people who knowingly carry a dangerous disease being hesitant about breeding, but outright trying to narrow the gene pool to produce the "master race" is likely going to backfire when something that harms that group comes along.

TL;DR: It's too complicated an issue for one want to be know-it-all to decide what his or her lessers should be doing.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I'm not going to lie I'm not sure what you mean by "bait". Doesn't appear anyone read beyond the word "eugenics" before stamping "autism" and moving on to browsing threads on Hitler and troons. I think my question has be answered in record time, the vast majority weren't willing to state why eugenics is more taboo than the previous mention topics which is kinda funny now that I think about it.

It's not taboo around here. In fact, there's been multiple threads on this subject in this very subforum so I think what you're running up against here is the fact that all the DT regulars have had this discussion more than once based on OPs that weren't written by an obvious spaz. You could have saved everyone a lot of time by using the search function and going over those old threads to get an idea of what you were getting into first but alas, pro-eugenics posters tend to be spergs.

 

[Julias_Seizure]

Depends on how its done, sterilization/final solution method no fuck that, gene editing with CRISPR done right wouldnt hurt anyone and could have massive potential. As long as it isnt done against anyones will i dont see any reason it shouldnt be allowed

 

[Stoneheart]

-It's a bad idea which wouldnt pan out in real life.

Why? just mix the right chemicals into the food you sell to africa.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

A local government official (can't remember their title) recently passed (within several years) outraged the professors and dipshit Leftist students by cutting sentences for convicted criminals in exchange for them voluntarily getting neutered.

I think it's a great idea. There's this attitude among the trash that it's taking advantage of them, but:
1) Fuck them, they're human garbage anyways
2) If they're principled enough about it to care, they can just serve out their original, normal sentence

I think we ought to extend this program by offering to pay nigs to get neutered. I suspect that they're stupid enough that they'll take very small amounts (like $1,000 a head) in exchange for the snip.