Experiences with DMT

[RMQualtrough]

The psychedelic drug Rogan mentions all day and night. What do people make of it? Was it insightful for you?

I've used frequently due to lockdown. About 2 or 3 of these times were traumatic. Almost all just scary in some way. A few good or interesting.

"Deep thoughts" because it does force serious mystical states when the substance hits and alters your brain. I'm now more inclined to ideas along the lines of Berkely's Idealism or Eastern Philosophy. I feel intensely convinced there is no afterlife as described in Western religion for reasons I can explain.

 

[cantankerous jackalope]

I’ve always wanted to try this but never got a chance. Is it all just made up Rogan-isms or is there some substance to it?

 

[Boobie Bomb]

I’ve always wanted to try this but never got a chance. Is it all just made up Rogan-isms or is there some substance to it?

there's substance to it.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

It just seems like a bad idea imo

 

[12FluidOunces]

I'm not nearly cool enough to acquire DMT

 

[RMQualtrough]

I’ve always wanted to try this but never got a chance. Is it all just made up Rogan-isms or is there some substance to it?

Rogan discusses the hallucinations too much but the visuals are about 1% of what's going on.

Basically it forces you into end states of meditation that monks spend probably decades trying to achieve. Total loss of anything but awareness in terms of headspace if you go deep enough. Out of body because you no longer have any form at all (not a ghost self like near death experiences or religion)... Your awareness feels unbounded and infinite and not associated with anything physical or with form (otherwise IS everything including the external world)... It is just "there" in no point of space.

The concept of reality falls to pieces, you think what's happening is real. In fact none of your life up until now ever mattered, this is all that matters, everything else was like a dream (if you even remember there ever WAS anything else). Like Salvia you cannot logic your way out of this. The walls and ceiling feel to come off of reality itself.

"You" stop existing, but you never truly existed anyway. You were always "this", and this new "I" or "it" (awareness itself, the concept of "Brahman" in Hindu philosophy) is seemingly everything there ever was or will be.

You probably won't have all these effects in one trip at once, though you might. But it's the general theme and occurrences. The visual hallucinations are very intense, but the part not discussed is the field of view which seems to expand in every direction (possibly peripheral vision coming into focus).

It just seems like a bad idea imo

It's a bit of a dice roll yeah.

If it doesn't become horrifying then it'll be great. Conversely the bad times I had were so terrifying that I am less afraid of dying of natural causes than of experiencing that.

One time it made me certain I'd committed suicide. I absolutely lost my shit, I really was convinced I'd just slashed my wrists or hanged myself and was waiting for actual death. I was completely certain my life was about to end and was panicking as much as you'd probably expect if you just jumped out of a 100th story window and were hurtling to the pavement.

It was quite traumatic... It's rare but for me more than half of trips are bad in some way, just only 2 or 3 were at trauma levels out of about 50... For most people they feel intense love and euphoria consistently.

 

[woodfromwell]

ive had too many traumatic experiences on less powerful psychedelics to mess around with DMT. im straight up scared of the idea of tripping anymore. it wore me thin.

if youve never done LSD or mushrooms i wouldnt recommend jumping right into DMT.

a friend of mine who has taken large amounts of LSD many times once told me "im not going to do DMT. you know why? because once someone does DMT all they talk about is DMT."

 

[AnaphylacticShock]

Personally, I would never try any hallucinogenic. Really playing with fire. Knew a guy who took mushrooms then accidently smoked synthetic marijuana and he went berserk. Clawing at drywall trying to get away from...something. His eyes were huge, it was kind of scary to witness. Had to call 911, they took him away and he spent the night in the hospital.

 

[woodfromwell]

Personally, I would never try any hallucinogenic. Really playing with fire. Knew a guy who took mushrooms then accidently smoked synthetic marijuana and he went berserk. Clawing at drywall trying to get away from...something. His eyes were huge, it was kind of scary to witness. Had to call 911, they took him away and he spent the night in the hospital.

ironically, being sent to the hospital in that state of mind was probably the most traumatic aspect of that experience for him.

 

[Str8Bustah]

DMT is weird in that it's the one hallucinogen that occurs in the human body completely naturally, but the circumstances in which it occurs within the body are what make it special; DMT is the chemical that gets pumped into your brain during death.

as an aside, quite literally everyone I've personally spoken to that's taken DMT has brought up little green men, people in labcoats or mechanic looking humanoid silhouettes who were asking them questions. The questions themselves are usually completely forgotten or (if remembered) very vague and hard to recall specifically, but they're still certain that they were asked questions. Has anyone here got an experience that runs contrary to or reinforces this?

 

[Un Platano]

DMT is weird in that it's the one hallucinogen that occurs in the human body completely naturally, but the circumstances in which it occurs within the body are what make it special; DMT is the chemical that gets pumped into your brain during death.

as an aside, quite literally everyone I've personally spoken to that's taken DMT has brought up little green men, people in labcoats or mechanic looking humanoid silhouettes who were asking them questions. The questions themselves are usually completely forgotten or (if remembered) very vague and hard to recall specifically, but they're still certain that they were asked questions. Has anyone here got an experience that runs contrary to or reinforces this?

Far as I can tell the blanket statement that brains release DMT during death is an urban legend. Generally you hear that it's produced in large amounts in newborns and dead brains on internet forums, but I can't find a single reliable source out there to confirm this. Every source I've looked at is either apocryphal or doesn't address it at all.

What I do find is that 'near death experiences' bear similarities to the effects of hallucinogens. That isn't to say that endogenously generated drugs are the cause of near death experiences. All this really suggests is that hallucinogens act on whatever part of the brain is responsible for it. Consider this: huffing glue can make you feel euphoric, but that doesn't mean glue is the brain's secret ingredient for happiness. Brains are a lot more complicated than we understand and they can't just be summarized as simple chemical reactions.

And for what it's worth, according to this source, the drug that most closely correlates to near death experiences is not DMT, but ketamine. Endogenously generated DMT is a better candidate to explain reports of alien abductions than it is near death experiences.

 

[RMQualtrough]

DMT is weird in that it's the one hallucinogen that occurs in the human body completely naturally, but the circumstances in which it occurs within the body are what make it special; DMT is the chemical that gets pumped into your brain during death.

as an aside, quite literally everyone I've personally spoken to that's taken DMT has brought up little green men, people in labcoats or mechanic looking humanoid silhouettes who were asking them questions. The questions themselves are usually completely forgotten or (if remembered) very vague and hard to recall specifically, but they're still certain that they were asked questions. Has anyone here got an experience that runs contrary to or reinforces this?

The near death experience is actually completely contradictory to a DMT trip. If you believed DMT trips with certainty, then you would dismiss all classical religions... Near death experiences and classic religions show that "you" with your identity and personality live eternally with god in everlasting paradise.

Conversely DMT "kills" you as an identity and rather shows that "you" never truly existed and in fact ARE god as is literally everything else that exists. It is identical to Advaita Vedanta, some forms of Buddhism, and more specifically sects of Shaivism, which are all atheist/agnostic philosophies.

I have never seen any of the things you mentioned. I have seen creatures of all kinds of forms, it looked like an intergalactic rave or something. But they were just bizarre shaped creatures rather than aliens... I have seen I think jester and carnival type imagery which is very common.

Also Hindu goddesses, Buddha statues (I was never that way culturally), three-faced female goddess-things made of orbs of light, Homer and Marge Simpson, all sorts. Sometimes I would "perceive" things as being there without seeing them. I'd often ask questions but nothing ever answered.

 

[Swann's Bae]

Personally, I would never try any hallucinogenic. Really playing with fire. Knew a guy who took mushrooms then accidently smoked synthetic marijuana and he went berserk. Clawing at drywall trying to get away from...something. His eyes were huge, it was kind of scary to witness. Had to call 911, they took him away and he spent the night in the hospital.

Intention is important when it comes to psychedelics, and accidentally doing one is basically the worst way to do it. Also, I don't know much about synthetic marijuana, but isn't it generally supposed to be an awful experience? And is it even classified as a psychedelic?

I did DMT once and it was agonizing, which I think in large part was due to my own layers of internal resistance. If you're taking a psychedelic in a safe and stable environment, then a challenging experience, or "bad trip," is something to be worked out within yourself.

Also Hindu goddesses, Buddha statues (I was never that way culturally), three-faced female goddess-things made of orbs of light, Homer and Marge Simpson, all sorts. Sometimes I would "perceive" things as being there without seeing them. I'd often ask questions but nothing ever answered.

I had this experience with ayahuasca (which contains DMT) - I was faced with a dazzling iridescent buddha every ceremony (it showed up after a major breakthrough). I had no intention or expectation of this, even though I do run in new agey circles. It's not something that's part of my life in a meaningful or substantial enough way to explain why it was such a cornerstone of my experience.

 

[secret zebra]

The first time I used it was in a vaporizing cartridge, the first only time I had visual hallucinations so strong that it changed the colors of what I was looking at, a brown table began being covered in chevrons of reds and yellow and blue until I wasn't seeing a table but I knew I was staring at one. Anytime I use it now I take long breaks because it doesn't give as strong of visuals, now usually just movements and what I look at becomes geometric like an Escher AI version. Have not smoked pure DMT yet to have a breakthrough but I would like to when chance arises.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

ironically, being sent to the hospital in that state of mind was probably the most traumatic aspect of that experience for him.

That would match descriptions I've read of Haight-Ashbury hippies being drug off to the hospital on acid overdoses. They needed to be calmed, not detoxified.

The near death experience is actually completely contradictory to a DMT trip. If you believed DMT trips with certainty, then you would dismiss all classical religions... Near death experiences and classic religions show that "you" with your identity and personality live eternally with god in everlasting paradise.

Conversely DMT "kills" you as an identity and rather shows that "you" never truly existed and in fact ARE god as is literally everything else that exists. It is identical to Advaita Vedanta, some forms of Buddhism, and more specifically sects of Shaivism, which are all atheist/agnostic philosophies.

I have never seen any of the things you mentioned. I have seen creatures of all kinds of forms, it looked like an intergalactic rave or something. But they were just bizarre shaped creatures rather than aliens... I have seen I think jester and carnival type imagery which is very common.

Also Hindu goddesses, Buddha statues (I was never that way culturally), three-faced female goddess-things made of orbs of light, Homer and Marge Simpson, all sorts. Sometimes I would "perceive" things as being there without seeing them. I'd often ask questions but nothing ever answered.

So the drug basically creates a panentheist/panpsychist experience.

 

[Certified_Autist]

I've never taken DMT, but I do know a guy who has. He said he saw Jesus Christ, but only from a long distance away (or at least some figure that a different entity told him was "The Son of Man") Afterwards, he said he ended up in some place with different entities where he immediately got the very strong sense he wasn't "supposed" to be there, which caused him to "fall" back in his body with a sensation of falling down from a great distance. He did say there was some other stuff too but that was the parts he remembered best, and he also said that the whole trip was only a few minutes but from his POV felt much longer.

I'm not particularly close to the guy but we know each other through work and have had some in-depth discussions on the spiritual/esoteric. I'm fairly sure he's not a liar or an attention-seeker, but I have zero experience with DMT or any hard drugs in general, so I can't comment on whether what he saw was legit or not.

 

[Land of Noz]

I'm not nearly cool enough to acquire DMT

It's extremely easy to make, probably easier than any other drug. Or at least it was a decade ago. But as long as you can get mimosa hostilis root bark...the rest of it can be made/synthesized with simple chemicals from the hardware store like lye and paint thinner. A friend of mine made it years ago when we were curious about it.

In truth though, I never had what would be termed a "breakthrough trip". I smoked it probably 5 or 10 times, but only got high from it. For me at least it was challenging to keep smoking it, as it gets you very high instantly. The one time I almost achieved a breakthrough dose, I was having full on open eyed visuals/hallucinations and basically I felt like I was seeing the creative force of the universe everywhere I looked. There's a concept in Sufi Mysticism that each moment is being consciously, intentionally created by God/Allah and that if they stopped for even a fraction of a second, the entire universe would cease to exist. It felt like I was looking at the process of divine creation as it was unfolding. I had the sense that I was looking at the "key to the universe" or the "meaning of life".

After that experience I never really had much of a desire to DMT again. I felt that the living one's life was the proper way to discover the meaning of life, and that taking a shortcut via DMT was relatively pointless. In other words, the meaning of life was to live your life fully, thus making the drugs unnecessary.

That being said, I'm not opposed to doing DMT in the future and having the so called breakthrough dose. I just don't know what good it would do. The more traditional psychedelics like LSD or Mushrooms actually seem to have some real world utility, though I don't take those anymore really. Like, you can take mushrooms or acid and grapple with past trauma, or even on a low dose to help work through a complex problem, etc. But with DMT, I'm not sure what the point is. The accounts of breakthroughs are so bizarre, there's not much introspection going on, nor can you really interact with the world while in that state, so besides being interesting and entertaining, I don't really know what it's for

 

[topsikrets]

Tried it maybe 7-8 times but honestly I don't care for it as a drug, not because of bad trips, I've only ever had one bad "trip" in my life and it was on datura. No, I don't care for it because DMT lasts a fraction of what other trips last, is hard to come by in my parts, and is easily ruined by other people interacting with you. So I wouldn't recommend going out ya way to get it when longer trips are easier to come by and cheaper.

And that psychospiritual nonsense is so pretentious, people who talk that shit are worse than the junkies who say they're a "high-functioning drug user."

 

[Donker]

I like putting it in a vape at small doses at a time, lets me hit the level of Psychedelia I really want to experience since it hits so fast (by the time you breath out) and then just sit there for 5-10 minutes enjoying the ride.
Never have the urge to do it multiple times really, once every couple months is enough, but it is absolutely a fun experience, especially when you use it the way I do so know exactly what level you're comfortable with and staying there.
Small vape dosages, or changa in a joint is absolutely the best beginner way of doing it. DMT hits hard when it does, gravity feels like it inverses and it feels like you've basically taken a psychedelic bungee jump. Def know when I hit that point to put the vape down lol.

 

[Fek]

I haven't imbibed. This may or may not change "soon".

Intention is important when it comes to psychedelics

Intention is kinda huge in general, frankly. More important than most will grant it.

I've never taken DMT, but I do know a guy who has. He said he saw Jesus Christ, but only from a long distance away (or at least some figure that a different entity told him was "The Son of Man") Afterwards, he said he ended up in some place with different entities where he immediately got the very strong sense he wasn't "supposed" to be there, which caused him to "fall" back in his body with a sensation of falling down from a great distance. He did say there was some other stuff too but that was the parts he remembered best, and he also said that the whole trip was only a few minutes but from his POV felt much longer.

I'm not particularly close to the guy but we know each other through work and have had some in-depth discussions on the spiritual/esoteric. I'm fairly sure he's not a liar or an attention-seeker, but I have zero experience with DMT or any hard drugs in general, so I can't comment on whether what he saw was legit or not.

Yeah, so..that's effectively how near-death experiences typically go for people brought up believing in Christ.

In general: They see <insert your actual "own personal Jesus" here>, experience sensations that become "more real than real" to the individual, and eventually come to the conclusion that they don't quite belong there..yet. I'm not surprised that a psychedelic trip produces similar results.

And that psychospiritual nonsense is so pretentious, people who talk that shit are worse than the junkies who say they're a "high-functioning drug user."

You think so? That's kind of a rare take on it, at least in my experiences so far talking to people who partake in psychs. What makes you feel that way, if I may ask?