Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

[ricecake]

Enjoy, god, her ebonics is so fucking cringe.

She looks like an ugly butch gym teacher on a teen television show who gets a "glamorous" makeover. Her facial structure and body type (huge, not just fat but tall and masculine also) are so incongruous with the aesthetic she tries to pull off; it makes her look like a fucking cartoon.

I don't put a ton of stock in the "dress for your body type"/David Kibbe school of thought, but Anna could learn a thing or two about dressing herself and the wide load she's pulling behind her by reading a little about flattering cuts.

 

[ForgottenAcct]

Women aren’t taken seriously when they report sexual assault. Fat people are turned away from help for serious medical issues because of their weight. Black people are more likely to be the targets of state violence. Trans people are murdered at a rate far outpacing the population average. Having certain types of bodies makes you more likely to die an early and unnecessarily painful death that will be blamed on you before your body is even cold, so I’m not sure why it’s so mystifying and dismaying to the world at large that people in those bodies might not think much of themselves.

Man, so loading in a single paragraph. What's with this article?
>Women aren’t taken seriously when they report sexual assault.
Makes it seem like this is a national issue of people just disregarding rape claims altogether, which isn't true. I do agree that rape kits so infrequently get processed in some areas that you're virtually SoL if some rando rapes you in an alley, and that's not cool. This is also why people need to cut the bullshit and seriously grill people that actually do make false rape cases. The general attitude toward rape probably does unfortunately get softened legally by 1.) Everything being rape, even consensual sex after the fact and 2.) People actually filing false rape charges, sometimes even getting innocent people imprisoned, and getting slaps on the wrist for it. I don't know a single person that's just like "Oh well get over it" if someone's been raped, but when you're dealing with determining guilt/innocence, even one certified false report poisons the well for actual victims, because suddenly you're under the impression this might just be another liar before you even investigate.

>Fat people are turned away from help for serious medical issues because of their weight.
Then stop being fat holy shit, if you have an obvious medical problem (being a fat sack) and get mad that doctors keep noticing that first, whose fault is that? It's like pulling up to a mechanic with your car on fire and getting mad that they won't listen to you about this grinding noise in 3rd gear. I got the point of the article, and doctors should be a bit more thorough than blaming everything on obesity, but patients should do their part as well and try keeping their weight in check.

>Black people are more likely to be the targets of state violence.
The most dangerous person to the average black person is another black person, not a cop. And cops can still be assholes that need to cool it and change to the middle management careers their personalities are destined for, and yeah people get profiled, but black people have bigger internal catfish to fry than police interactions.

>Trans people are murdered at a rate far outpacing the population average.
Actually, reading the article, they were pretty much par for the course I think it was about 0.25% of the murders were people representing .1-.2% of the population? The transgender population is so small that a drug deal gone wrong or a weird distribution of muggings alone skews the data, but it doesn't look like a targeted destruction of that population.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I really dislike when FA's try to hitch their wagons to other people's causes. Black people can't not be black, but your fat ass can lose weight.

 

[sperginity]

Then stop being fat holy shit, if you have an obvious medical problem (being a fat sack) and get mad that doctors keep noticing that first, whose fault is that?

The doctors fault, it's medical negligence to fail to diagnose. The way fat people are treated in the medical system is the only absolutely valid point fat activists have. I've seen some truly abhorrent things happen, so has everyone else I know in medicine.

 

[thejackal]

The doctors fault, it's medical negligence to fail to diagnose. The way fat people are treated in the medical system is the only absolutely valid point fat activists have. I've seen some truly abhorrent things happen, so has everyone else I know in medicine.

Morbid obesity complicates any diagnosis and procedure and frankly most of what I see reported as "abuse" is simply the doctor telling some 2500lb 19 year old to lose weight before it catches up to them.

 

[Morbo]

Another issue that complicates getting a correct diagnosis for very fat patients is that many of them are disconnected from their bodies from the neck down. They can't accurately describe the sensations they feel and point to where exactly they are feeling discomfort or pain. This is a nightmare when a patient reports abdominal pain, it could be something benign or a life threatening emergency but palpation and medical imaging techniques are not compatible with super thick fat layers.

 

[FitBitch]

The doctors fault, it's medical negligence to fail to diagnose. The way fat people are treated in the medical system is the only absolutely valid point fat activists have. I've seen some truly abhorrent things happen, so has everyone else I know in medicine.

Getting under the layers of fat with x-ray or MRI to see if a patient has say, pancreatic cancer is impossible. Radiation or magnetic methods can't penetrate to the organs. More invasive procedures are difficult and administering anesthesia to keep the patient unconscious without accidentally using too much and killing them is a huge risk. Performing knee surgery on a morbidly obese person will not fix their knee pain and there's a good chance they wont be able to finish the rehabilitation and regain mobility. There are plenty of diseases they blame their obesity on such as thyroid issues, and PCOS that are caused by obesity and can be most safely treated with weight loss.

Doctors are sworn to first do no harm, and taking major risks on a morbidly obese persons life to try and treat their fat-related illnesses can open them up to medical malpractice lawsuits.

Traditional methods of treatment are barred to obese people not because the doctors are bigoted assholes but because they're at best ineffective and at worst absolutely deadly. Just because "body-loving" obeasts are medically illiterate it doesn't mean a prescription to lose weight is discrimination.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

medical imaging techniques are not compatible with super thick fat layers.

At least not the fast and cheap methods.

Ultrasound: forget about it.

X-ray: wont provide enough detail

MRI: Possibly Effective, but long and costly.

CT: Probably effective, but large amounts of radiation compared to other methods.

Also good luck finding a machine these fatties can fit into. Sometimes they have to be sent to animal hospitals because they have machines made for large animals (horses, elephants, etc.).

 

[Angry New Ager]

At least not the fast and cheap methods.

Ultrasound: forget about it.

X-ray: wont provide enough detail

MRI: Possibly Effective, but long and costly.

CT: Probably effective, but large amounts of radiation compared to other methods.

Also good luck finding a machine these fatties can fit into. Sometimes they have to be sent to animal hospitals because they have machines made for large animals (horses, elephants, etc.).

No. NO NO NO NO NO. This is a falsehood, and needs to die.

There's an urban legend that fatties get sent to the zoo to use the elephant-sized MRI, and it's not true. I've quoted my own post about that (from just four pages back) below.

There is no MRI machine with a bore large enough for an elephant, or to completely accommodate a horse, or with a bed that can support that much weight. The largest-bore MRIs, with beds that can support up to 600lbs, are all in human hospitals and diagnostic imaging centers, because they are the only places that can afford the immense costs of buying them and constructing the specialized facilities to house them.

If an elephant-sized MRI existed, it would be in a human hospital first, because that's who can afford them; only later, as they became standard and costs came down, would they "trickle down" to be adapted for vet med. That's been true of all medical technology.

The vast majority of MRI performed on horses focuses on the lower legs, to determine the causes of lameness; the rest is done on the head. Full-body MRI for horses just doesn't happen.

Veterinary imaging specialists who work with horses either use a standard-size MRI machine with the sliding bed removed, or they use a much smaller low-field MRI designed specifically for use on a standing horse, that is focused solely on the lower legs. Google "equine MRI," and look at the images that show up, if you want an idea of how that works.

Zoos are incredibly unlikely to have their own MRI machines because the cost is prohibitive, and other imaging technology (X-rays and ultrasound) is perfectly adequate.

Since zoo animals have closely-monitored diets, are kept in controlled environments away from predators, and don't have to fight for mates and territory, most of their health issues are pretty straightforward--dental infections and swallowing foreign objects are common; in elderly animals, it's arthritis and cancers. But because most zoo animals are still at least semi-wild, there are serious limits when it comes to treatment options, and having more detailed images of what's wrong doesn't change that.

So zoo vets not only have virtually no need for an MRI to diagnose and treat their animal patients, they can't order lots of extra imaging and bill that shit to insurance in order to pay for the machine, as human hospitals do. So an MRI machine of any size would be an immense waste of money for a zoo--it's money that is far better spent on upgrading exhibits and educational programs, and improving day-to-day animal care.

Veterinary teaching hospitals might have MRI machines just big enough to accommodate a horse (and we're talking a Thoroughbred, not a Clydesdale), but zoos? No. There is no hippo- or elephant-sized MRI that can accommodate the Boogie- or Chance- or Slaton-sized eatbeasts who have eaten their way out of the largest hospital MRI.

There are plenty of urban legends about obese people being sent to the zoo to use the MRI built for hippos and elephants, and they are just NOT TRUE. They're not. At the risk of being powerlevelly, I have some firsthand experience behind-the-scenes at two large zoos known for their high level of animal care, and neither one had an MRI, or any plans to get one--and for all the reasons I've stated.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

There's an urban legend that fatties get sent to the zoo to use the elephant-sized MRI, and it's not true. I've quoted my own post about that (from just four pages back) below.

There is no MRI machine with a bore large enough for an elephant, or to completely accommodate a horse, or with a bed that can support that much weight. The largest-bore MRIs, with beds that can support up to 600lbs, are all in human hospitals and diagnostic imaging centers, because they are the only places that can afford the immense costs of buying them and constructing the specialized facilities to house them.

I never said zoo, I said animal hosital.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/v...l/news-story/d2572f57b9cef4c87c2689b7b4be0fc1

 

[FitBitch]

At least not the fast and cheap methods.

Ultrasound: forget about it.

X-ray: wont provide enough detail

MRI: Possibly Effective, but long and costly.

CT: Probably effective, but large amounts of radiation compared to other methods.

Also good luck finding a machine these fatties can fit into. Sometimes they have to be sent to animal hospitals because they have machines made for large animals (horses, elephants, etc.).

No. NO NO NO NO NO. This is a falsehood, and needs to die.

There's an urban legend that fatties get sent to the zoo to use the elephant-sized MRI, and it's not true. I've quoted my own post about that (from just four pages back) below.

There is no MRI machine with a bore large enough for an elephant, or to completely accommodate a horse, or with a bed that can support that much weight. The largest-bore MRIs, with beds that can support up to 600lbs, are all in human hospitals and diagnostic imaging centers, because they are the only places that can afford the immense costs of buying them and constructing the specialized facilities to house them.

If an elephant-sized MRI existed, it would be in a human hospital first, because that's who can afford them; only later, as they became standard and costs came down, would they "trickle down" to be adapted for vet med. That's been true of all medical technology.

The vast majority of MRI performed on horses focuses on the lower legs, to determine the causes of lameness; the rest is done on the head. Full-body MRI for horses just doesn't happen.

Veterinary imaging specialists who work with horses either use a standard-size MRI machine with the sliding bed removed, or they use a much smaller low-field MRI designed specifically for use on a standing horse, that is focused solely on the lower legs. Google "equine MRI," and look at the images that show up, if you want an idea of how that works.

Not only that but the size of the MRI machine isn't going to make a difference if it still has a huge layer of fat to penetrate for a useful diagnostic image. Horses and elephants are big and heavy but they're not fat, it's muscle.

 

[multiverse]

The animal MRIs are used for an attempt at diagnosing fats because of the size of the hole where the patient stands or lies down. The majority of MRI machines are sized one way, with a donut hole in the middle that fits humans up to 250-300 lbs or so.

Of course it's incredibly difficult to get good diagnostic imaging of fats due to the layer of fat between their skin and their muscles and bones, but if doctors need to at least try, then they run into the problem of the fat not actually fitting into the hole in the middle of the machine. This is when either machines at a vet hospital are used, or the fat is transported to a special bariatric unit where they've purchased special super size machines (very rare because they're insanely expensive)

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Spoiler: This couldn't be more perfect...

Lol.

 

[thejackal]

Spoiler: This couldn't be more perfect...

Lol.

I feel like we talked about this video some when it came out a few months ago but that video explains perfectly why she's 400+ lbs. She keeps a family sized thing of almonds (like over 4K calories in the bag) around her at work for "a snack" and starts her day off with a triple whip quad syrup concoction from starbucks. The way the super fats cram sugar and calorie dense foods into their mouth is fascinating imo. I don't even understand how they have the energy to make it through a work day eating so heavy. I don't think most adults can eat 50 grams of sugar for breakfast and not feel incredibly sluggish the rest of the morning, caffeine infused or otherwise.

I guess they just get used to it?

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

I feel like we talked about this video some when it came out a few months ago but that video explains perfectly why she's 400+ lbs. She keeps a family sized thing of almonds (like over 4K calories in the bag) around her at work for "a snack" and starts her day off with a triple whip quad syrup concoction from starbucks. The way the super fats cram sugar and calorie dense foods into their mouth is fascinating imo. I don't even understand how they have the energy to make it through a work day eating so heavy. I don't think most adults can eat 50 grams of sugar for breakfast and not feel incredibly sluggish the rest of the morning, caffeine infused or otherwise.

I guess they just get used to it?

I remember when I realized that a serving of almonds is what can basically fit into your palm when it's cupped.

Also, that "coffee" that she gets every day in that video is like two desserts in one.

It's sad.

 

[thejackal]

I remember when I realized that a serving of almonds is what can basically fit into your palm when it's cupped.

Also, that "coffee" that she gets every day in that video is like two desserts in one.

It's sad.

The almond lobby has done a brilliant job marketing almonds as a "diet food" and "healthy choice". In reality any food that contains about 200 calories in a single hand (or mouthful) is like crack to a fatty. You think they only eat one handful, come on!

I was laughing so hard when AL bought cookie and oreo coated almonds the other day. Yea, what this incredibly calorie dense food needs is a pure sugar and cream casing! Like if a roasted almond doesn't taste good enough your body and taste buds are broken.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Danielle very recently posted another "What I Eat in a Day" video, probably because the first one somehow got so many views.

This time, she allegedly skipped the huge caramel frappuccino for breakfast and had yogurt and a granola bar instead. However, she opted for a massive container of poutine coated in ketchup for lunch. Then she "forgot" to include her dinner in the video...even though the whole fucking point was to record everything she had eaten that day.

So I'm sure she still hit at least 3000 calories for the day while getting barely any real nutrients or fiber and eating not a single fresh vegetable or even a freaking apple.

 

[Bani]

At least not the fast and cheap methods.
Also good luck finding a machine these fatties can fit into. Sometimes they have to be sent to animal hospitals because they have machines made for large animals (horses, elephants, etc.).

As hilarious as that sounds, it's extremely unlikely to be true. Many hospitals in the U.S. have large capacity CT scanners, and only about half of animal hospitals and veterinary schools have large animal CT scanners. 84% of the institutions with large animal scanners had policies in place against using their equipment on human patients. Only a few of the zoos they contacted had CT scanners at all, let alone high capacity ones.

The almond lobby has done a brilliant job marketing almonds as a "diet food" and "healthy choice". In reality any food that contains about 200 calories in a single hand (or mouthful) is like crack to a fatty. You think they only eat one handful, come on!

I was laughing so hard when AL bought cookie and oreo coated almonds the other day. Yea, what this incredibly calorie dense food needs is a pure sugar and cream casing! Like if a roasted almond doesn't taste good enough your body and taste buds are broken.

Real talk, though. Cinnamon roasted almonds are boss as hell. I can only ever find them at carnivals and theme parks, though, so I only have them like once a year.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

As hilarious as that sounds, it's extremely unlikely to be true. Many hospitals in the U.S. have large capacity CT scanners, and only about half of animal hospitals and veterinary schools have large animal CT scanners. 84% of the institutions with large animal scanners had policies in place against using their equipment on human patients.

Especially since the upward trend of obesity in the USA keeps climbing, more and more hospitals are getting equipment that have higher weight capacities, but there are still plenty of smaller hospitals and urgent care clinics are unlikely to be able to service those in question and will have to send them somewhere else.

But you're right. It's not necessarily common.

 

[Dog Prom 3D]

Whether or not there are machines or facilities with machines large enough to accommodate those who are 400+ pounds, here's the real, current medical takeaway:

If you have more than 8 centimeters of subcutaneous fat covering the area needing to be scanned, you will not get a clear image from any scanning device. X-rays, CT scans, MRIs, and ultrasounds are all compromised to the point of uselessness if you have that much subcutaneous fat. That means if you break your humerus and you have 8 centimeters of body fat surrounding the bone, doctors are not going to be able to get a clear picture of the break.

If you have that much sub-q fat on extremities, you can absolutely write off getting any sort of organ scan. You get excessive sub-q fat, factor in visceral fat between organs, and you could basically be rotting inside from cancer and there would be no way to see it using scans. And since exploratory surgery is too dangerous at extreme weight, there is little doctors can do. This is why doctors despair of extremely fat pregnant women - monitoring the pregnancy is almost impossible.

Maybe one day science will catch up with the super-morbidly obese and find a way to penetrate dense fatty tissue to produce images, but just remember that currently 8 cm of subcutaneous fat means you cannot realistically expect any sort of image from current medical technology.

Oh, and that picture people use to prove that the super-morbidly obese can get x-rays or MRI scans? It's appeared in this thread a couple of times.

Fake. Fake fake fake. This is purported to be of extremely fat British man Keith Martin. It's not. He couldn't have stood up long enough to get this scan, he certainly could not have stood long enough while holding his arms out. Take a good look at the length of the neck - how interesting that he has such a defined neck at close to a thousand pounds - and how he miraculously has a thigh gap. The real Keith Martin could not stand period and had a massive edema tumor hanging from his pannus almost to his knees that appears nowhere in the pic. Plus there is no way his body could have been penetrated by magnetic or radioactive rays to get such an image. This was created to mock fat people but has become a strange crutch for them to use to insist the technology to help them exists but everyone is too fat phobic to help them. Nope. Sorry. Image is fake.