US Federal appeals court rules Trump doesn't have broad immunity from prosecution - Trump will appeal case to Supreme Court - even though Special Counsel Prosecutor Jack Smith was already rejected for proposing a similar question earlier this year.

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A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit has ruled that Donald Trump does not enjoy broad immunity from federal prosecution, a major legal setback for the former president, who said he will appeal.

They wrote that for the purposes of this criminal case, "former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant."

The ruling comes a month after lawyers for Trump made sweeping claims that he enjoyed immunity from federal prosecution, claims that lawyers for the special counsel said would "undermine democracy" and give presidents license to commit crimes while in the White House, such as accepting bribes for directing government contracts or selling nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary.

It would be "a striking paradox," the judges wrote, if the president, who alone has the constitutional duty to ensure that laws be faithfully executed, "were the sole officer capable of defying those laws with impunity."

Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Trump, said the former president "respectfully disagrees with the DC Circuit's decision and will appeal it in order to safeguard the Presidency and the Constitution."

"If immunity is not granted to a President, every future President who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party," he said in a statement. "Without complete immunity, a President of the United States would not be able to properly function!"

The special counsel's team declined to comment.

The court said Tuesday that its analysis was specific to the case in front of them.

One of the D.C. Circuit judges, Florence Pan, pressed Trump attorney D. John Sauer at the oral argument about whether a president might sell pardons or nuclear secrets, or even order a Navy SEAL team to kill a political opponent, and still evade criminal prosecution under his theory of the case.

Another, Judge Karen L. Henderson, noted that it seemed "paradoxical" that presidents would pledge to faithfully execute the laws, only to violate those same laws and receive legal protection.

"We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter," the judges wrote. Doing so, they said, "would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three branches."

Trump has pleaded not guilty to four felony counts that accuse him of leading a conspiracy to cling to power and disenfranchise millions of voters in 2020. Prosecutors say that this culminated in violence at the U.S. Capitol three years ago that injured 140 law enforcement officers and shook the foundations of American democracy.

Tuesday's decision comes at a crucial time for both Trump and the federal case against him. Trump is the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination and continues to insist — without basis in fact — that he won the 2020 presidential election.

Already, Trump's serious legal troubles — he is fighting 91 criminal charges in four separate U.S. jurisdictions — are clashing with the political calendar.

The former president has signaled that he could seek to dismiss the federal cases against him in the District of Columbia and Florida if he regains the White House. His lawyer in Georgia recently suggested Trump may try to delay the election interference case against him in Fulton County, Ga., until 2029.
 
I don't think it would be prudent to give the chief executive complete immunity.
However, Trump has clearly shown that there should be some higher bar or protection from frivolous and partisan legal persecution of politicians.
Imagine if he wasn't wealthy, the constant law battles would have financially obliterated even a multimillionaire by this point.
 
"We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter," the judges wrote. Doing so, they said, "would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three branches."

They keep saying this just to protect themselves and their bottom lines, not because they want to protect “democracy”.
 
I don't think anyone expected a DC court to rule in Trump's favor.

It will land on the SCotUS and I have no faith they won't cuck out and rule that Trump can be tried for Jan 6.
The Special Counsel Prosecutor proposed a similar question to the Supreme Court earlier this year and was rejected a hearing. Supreme Court will just say "Yeah the appeals court was right" and not say anything more.
 
The Special Counsel Prosecutor proposed a similar question to the Supreme Court earlier this year and was rejected a hearing. Supreme Court will just say "Yeah the appeals court was right" and not say anything more.
That’s not how it works. If the Supreme Court doesn’t take it, it’s a no-comment. It doesn’t imply that it accepts the decision. The Supreme Court has a lot of cases on its plate and can’t take on every case it gets, and it’s certainly possible to to ask the same question over and over again each year until the court takes it, as long as there is some case to use to ask that question.

There is a way for the Supreme Court to simply state the ruling was correct or not, and is called per curiam, but still requires a trial.
 
God I hope that Trump ends up being president from jail. Can you imagine the shitshow that would be? 4 years of having a leader who is also legally a criminal? The idea is so funny that I can't fully express my amusement with it in words. The amount of seething that such a thing would generate from basically everyone who is too invested in politics would be legendary.

Not that I believe that any election these days isn't fixed or anything, it's just a funny thought. Really looking forward to America's Rome arc where a dictatorship forms and revitalizes the dying nation. Living in interesting times may not always be fun, but it's certainly never boring.
 
For anyone who is sad about this because they worship that fat orange faggot Trump, if the DC Court of Appeals had upheld his claim, Biden could have legally and with impunity had the fat orange faggot murdered by a team of special forces, and installed himself as dictator for life, and there isn't a goddamned thing anyone could do about it. If one President is afforded absolute immunity for any of their actions, all of them would be, which is an obviously bad idea on its face.
 
a major legal setback for the former president, who said he will appeal.
Trump has pleaded not guilty to four felony counts that accuse him of leading a conspiracy to cling to power and disenfranchise millions of voters in 2020.
Christ alive, his cabinet better be tighter than tight. He's going to be very busy in office, I do enjoy watching this man leap over whatever unfair hurdle this corrupted system throws at him though.
 
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Christ alive, his cabinet better be tighter than tight. He's going to be very busy in office, I do enjoy watching this man leap over whatever unfair hurdle this corrupted system throws at him though.
I'd like to draw your attention to the post quoted:
For anyone who is sad about this because they worship that fat orange faggot Trump, if the DC Court of Appeals had upheld his claim, Biden could have legally and with impunity had the fat orange faggot murdered by a team of special forces, and installed himself as dictator for life, and there isn't a goddamned thing anyone could do about it. If one President is afforded absolute immunity for any of their actions, all of them would be, which is an obviously bad idea on its face.
 
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