Feminism discussion thread

[2mm and 99 others]

i support a lot of women rights and stuff but i hate feminazis

i dont get why they wanna become like men (not in a troon way more metaphorically) women have different brains and shouldnt copy how men work and stuff. also a lot of then are dismissive of motherhood which is gross and weird.

honestly pisses me off

Become like men, what does it exactly mean, what is an example? Isn't that because several hundreds years ago, men had turned some traditionally womens' and non-gendered jobs, say, practicing medicine and pharmaceutics, into a strictly boys' club and actively banned women from it?
Aren't the competitiveness, persisting backbreaking work shedules and bad work-life balance in that and many other fields a remain from that time?

 

[a kiwifarms user]

anal, choking, a woman who wasn't in to that was vanilla (derogatory) and even worse, conservative.

Not into it trying it herself or seen as morally judging those things as a whole? The left has always been about consent so I doubt there'd be much push back against someone not consenting to a sex act but on the other hand knowing 2010's tumblr there's a chance some people might actually have been that retarded.

How many men are capable of understanding the nuance? You teach a man it is okay to choke during sex, you teach a man it is okay to choke.

They're men, not retards. The average person (male or female) understands the difference between something being appropriate in bed vs it being appropriate all the time, otherwise you'd see every other couple walking down the street grabbing each others breasts and penises. People can fathom something is a sex thing. I haven't been choked myself but from what I understand part of it is also pressing on the side of neck to minimize discomfort and press on the blood vessels instead of the throat, a level of care entirely different from someone seeking out to abuse and intimidate their partner.

You could count the number of men who love and respect their partner and want to choke them during sex on one hand... after losing all your fingers in an industrial accident.

See the above part on doing something your partner asked for and in a way specifically to make it enjoyable for them vs just doing something with zero care or specifically to hurt and intimidate them. I think perhaps differentiating between choking and strangling would be useful.

Just like the swinging community.

We are a website on the internet, we are sharing individual horror stories of things we don't like to further our narratives. It's the same way the woman hate thread and tumblr users complaining about radfems work. It's why you have both people sharing news stories of white people killing black people and black people killing white people and both acting like it's proof the other side is dangerous. Individual cases of "Look at this x doing y" don't mean much.

 

[CastrateAllMen]

I keep seeing choking and anal sex being mentioned as thing libfem women are supposedly getting groomed into en masse under the guise of leftism, where? There's a stereotype of guys liking anal sex but that's a very normie thing and I've never actually seen anyone telling cis women to try anal for some leftist progressive reason. Choking is mentioned because choking as domestic violence is one of the leading indicators of your partner wanting to murder you so therefore you shouldn't like being choked in bed, do they think women who would ask a guy to choke them during sex wouldn't be alarmed about their partner lifting them by the neck because they spilled milk on the table?

Our generation is full of people self-harming in not just the way of wrist cutting. I often see people doing things purposely to cause themselves suffering under this guise of self-empowerment. It does feel better to hurt oneself because it drowns out everything else. Women tend to internalize their issues when they suffer as opposed to men who externalize it. While what men do are more outwardly destructive and more "selfish", both methods cause equal amounts of damage. Internalized destruction really fucks you up.

I really feel compassion for those who self harm and feel awful that they have to do that as an outlet. As a pattern of behavior within a culture though it is particularly problematic if said behavior becomes normalized or seen as "empowering" because it is inherently an unhealthy and self-destructive way of coping. It's not any of their faults, but I also criticize the culture that makes self harm normal and even seen as a way to "take back control" or whatever they're calling it.

That's my opinion on this phenomenon.

 

[netkiwimoongladewave]

The left has always been about consent

My sweet summer child. I would never admit this on the forum of slurs and contrarianism but I am very left leaning. If you think men on the left are any more "about consent" than men on the right then you are living a blessed life. Men are men, consent is not a partisan issue, the only difference between men on the left and men on the right is how they justify their behaviour. Let's cast our minds back to... yesterday... when it was revealed how democrat hero and rapist Graham Platner thinks about consent.

Arguably, men on the right are "about consent" because they are open about their contempt for women and are upfront about how exactly how little they think of consent. Men on the left pretend to be feminists and pretend to care deeply about consent until the pants are off and then they're indistinguishable from men on the right. Men on the right are wolfs in wolfs clothing, men on the left are wolfs in sheeps clothing.

People can fathom something is a sex thing. I haven't been choked myself but from what I understand part of it is also pressing on the side of neck to minimize discomfort and press on the blood vessels instead of the throat, a level of care entirely different from someone seeking out to abuse and intimidate their partner.

I have friends who, for some reason beyond my grasp, genuinely enjoy the pain of anal sex and being unable to sit down afterwards over sex like god intended, in their vagina. I am sure there are women out there who do genuinely enjoy erotic asphyxiation too, even some lesbians, uncorrupted by men, enjoy being choked. All that can be true, and it can be true that a man willing to risk killing his partner or cause permanent brain damage is neither probably or even plausibly exercising "a level of care entirely different from someone seeking out to abuse and intimidate their partner". Choking is very fucking dangerous.

Individual cases of "Look at this x doing y" don't mean much.

The aggregate is made up of the individual. If large swathes of women in the kink community are saying they were coerced or didn't enthusiastically consent, a pretty reasonable take away is that maybe there's a fundamental issue.

we are sharing individual horror stories of things we don't like to further our narratives.

You're being dismissive by framing this conversation as a narrative. Why can't it be my truth, my understanding of the world, the sum of every experience in my life and the lives of my friends and family and acquaintances and the things I've read and seen and heard? I'm sharing what I know to be true, what a lifetime has taught me, not some narrative I picked out of a hat to push this week.

How many individual horror stories is required to make a pattern? Here's 10 (plus dozens more in the comments):

How to talk to teen daughters about choking
He started choking me during our first kiss.
Guy I hooked up with choked me without asking, okay to say something?
Choking is causing young women to have strokes
Hook Up gone wrong
Advice needed - choked during my last sexual encounter.
Why are guys so into choking????
Can We Please Stop Using the Phrase "Non-Consensual Choking"
Choking on a first date

And special focus on this story:

Got choked without consent and regret telling my friend

My friend reassured me that this person was "a good guy" albeit quite kinky, and had received "good reviews" from other women. I went out with this guy and made it clear that I had no experience in BDSM or kink and was quite nervous about the idea. This guy reassured me that we would take things slow and that anything we explored together would be at my speed and consent. [...] Anyway, we had sex for the first (and only) time and he choked me without asking.

Want to bet on this "good guy"'s politics?

 

[Silence of the Troons]

I think

You are a kinkster degenerate. You do not think.

perhaps differentiating between choking and strangling would be useful.

There is no difference. The only reason why we are being told that they are "different" is that it's some people's fetish and they think something being their fetish makes it special and worthy of protection. If sexual strangulation isn't strangulation because it's sexual, then Armin Meiwes cutting off Bernd Brandes' dick and eating his corpse after killing him wasn't an example of castration, cannibalism, or murder.

Make kink-shaming mainstream again.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Is that the user once known as "chokenigger" reborn?

 

[netkiwimoongladewave]

If sexual strangulation isn't strangulation because it's sexual, then Armin Meiwes cutting off Bernd Brandes' dick and eating his corpse after killing him wasn't an example of castration, cannibalism, or murder.

Don't be too hard on Armin, he wasn't all bad, he did rid the world of a sexual deviant, that's gotta count for something.

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

Arguably, men on the right are "about consent" because they are open about their contempt for women and are upfront about how exactly how little they think of consent. Men on the left pretend to be feminists and pretend to care deeply about consent until the pants are off and then they're indistinguishable from men on the right. Men on the right are wolfs in wolfs clothing, men on the left are wolfs in sheeps clothing.

As a Reddit-posting heckin' respecter of women I can tell you that showing your holes on OnlyFans and making like $50/month is EMPOWERING and anal is LIBERATING now here wear these fox ears and if you don't do it that means you don't love me.

I honestly don't know how people are supposed to navigate shit anymore.

 

[a kiwifarms user]

Has there been any sort of drama surrounding tumblr user what-even-is-thisss yet? I used to follow them years ago because I thought they were funny until but they've started talking about sex work and sperging about how sex isn't special and getting forced to have sex isn't inherently more traumatizing than getting forced to do anything else because it's about force and not sex. This is not the first post they made specifically arguing that having sex you don't want is not more traumatic than getting forced to something else you don't want, and it's starting to make me wonder if they're just a complete retard or have some skeletons in their closet. Including the reply from someone else because it's more insanity.

 

[Kyff]

A talk that's relevant to Kiwi interests.

Sheila Jeffreys reads from her book (Man's Dominion) and talks about the evils of the veil and leftists' tendency to side with radical islam