Feminist Kiwis (not a honeypot)

[Abethedemon]

Hey there, I'm just curious if any of y'all are feminists or support feminism. I'd like to think of myself as doing so, but I'm somewhat skeptical to current movements, and I feel certain ideas are loaded in buzzwords and ideas that censor freeze peach. I'd almost think of myself as both a feminist and an MRA since I support equality for all genders.
What are your thoughts?

 

[Picklepower]

I don't use the label feminist because of all the baggage, but I do support equality, and think that it's dangerous to pretend like sexism doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Warden]

Feminism is equality. That's all. But with all the baggage as @Picklepower said, I'm hesitant to use the word.

Please be careful about calling yourself an MRA, because you can't trust people to be smart enough to understand you advocate for all people's rights. Like if someone wants to wear fursuits just because it's fun, they'd better be prepared to get lumped in with the furfags. It's not fair but that's how it is.

Egalitarian is probably the best word.

 

[Zeorus]

If someone asked me if I'm a feminist, I'd say yes, but it's not a central part of my belief system, mostly because I find identity politics really boring. Equality between the sexes, but issues of gender often, in my opinion, are merely a distraction from more serious political issues like class warfare and consolidation of power.

 

[Dr. Meme]

i'm an egotarian that means i belive that all genders are equal exept those that arent man or female those guys can go fuck themselves same with genderfluid bullshit like get the fuck outta here

 

[Derbydollar]

As an egalitarian, I'm glad to see reasonable people pick up it's flag instead of feminism or manhood madness.
All people equal until they prove otherwise, all people judged as individuals.

Feminism has been colored by chauvinistic extremism for around the past 50 years.
It's unfortunate that the movement turned out the way it did...

 

[chimpburgers]

I don't call myself anything. Not an egalitarian, or a feminist, anti-feminist or MRA or whatever other shit exists now to describe these views, though I think that my views would align with the former the most and be mixed with certain elements from the second two positions. There are morons who would call themselves either feminists or MRAs, but others who identify with those things who aren't batshit crazy extremists like them.

With that said, I am in favor of social democracy and being in favor of equal opportunities regardless of what race or gender you are. Just like how even though I am an atheist, I don't go around trying to make these kinds of views to be what I identify with when someone asks me what I believe in. I never gave it much thought either when I called myself a progressive and wasn't aware that even that term has some negative connotations now.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I am apathetic to anything that doesn't affect me but am more than happy to use feminism as a means for promoting my own interests. As a result I am opposed to affirmative action since it reduces productivity but against discrimination since it also reduces productivity. More productivity in society means I get an increased purchasing power but I really don't care about it from an abstract idea of equality of opportunity. I also am very happy that women are not economically forced to get married now since that means that loveshies have less power and thus I have more

 

[AnOminous]

It's usually a bad idea to call yourself anything ending in "ist."

 

[melty]

I don't call myself a feminist because I actually kind of dislike men, and I really don't believe most feminists are misandrists/female supremacists like MRAs claim. Also my opinion does not come from the feminist realm of the internet, or even the "all men are rapists" crowd, it comes from MRA circles and other primarily male circles. Honestly I feel that feminists are the ones trying to convince me #notallmen while MRAs make it way worse. But other than that I'm pretty feminist, somewhere between 2nd and 3rd wave. I like Christina Hoff Sommers but don't agree with a lot of what she says. I don't like Anita, Zoe and others like them.

 

[Reshiram]

I'm a feminist. Don't like Anita, Zoe or any of the big Gamergate girls. Obviously fucking hate the fucktards on the other side of the debate even more. MRAs can kiss my diaper

 

[Sperglord Dante]

I'm pro choice, I believe in the intelectual equality of man and woman and think they do well to search equality in the workplace and political positions.

That said, I'm not a feminist. I'll never refer to myself as such as long as feminists get behind retarded causes like female friendly air conditioning or the portrayal of fictional women in fucking videogames.

 

[Cosmos]

I don't use the label feminist because of all the baggage, but I do support equality, and think that it's dangerous to pretend like sexism doesn't exist anymore.

I'm exactly the same.

Also, I just don't plain feel comfortable calling myself a feminist after the way feminists have treated me (and other non-feminist women) for not being one of them. I've never identified as a feminist; I've always considered myself anti-sexism and pro-gender equality, of course, but I've never felt the need to adopt the feminist label. This is what some feminists think of me for not using a label:

I'm also pro-life, which according to some feminists makes me a traitor to my gender. People talk about modern feminism being anti-men all the time, but they never talk about how hateful and snobby some feminists are towards women who don't agree with them on everything. Until third-wave feminism as a whole begins to support all women and their choices, including the choice to not walk and talk just like they do, I don't feel comfortable labeling myself as one of them.

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

I consider myself a feminist, though I am pretty cynical with much of the movement. Radical feminism is something I find especially problematic because many radfems I have encountered were pretty much misandrist (though not all of them, my older brother considers himself somewhat of a radfem and is certainly anti-tumblr). However, a lot of the anti-feminists I have encountered were also rather misogynistic and highly conservative so I have a problem with radical anti-feminists as well.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

It's usually a bad idea to call yourself anything ending in "ist."

I dunno man, guitarists are pretty cool

 

[Red_Rager]

I agree with @Cosmos. I don't use the term feminist either, personally the term has been tainted for me. I respect the work done by feminists in the past to give females a chance to define our own destiny. The right to vote, own property, have a career. What we are should not be the defining factor of who we are and what our destiny should be. There is still an overlooked segment of feminism that is still doing good work and living up to what feminism should stand for, equality and freedom. I think most feminists do try to live up to those principles (I really hope so).

What disturbs me about third-wave feminism is the "Us against them mentality" they have and the embrace of gender identity politics. In their crusade against perceived ills they have forgotten about the individual. If you are not with the collective then you are against them. Identity politics is poison, when things get personal there is no room for reason. People get defensive and treat any form of dissidence as a personal attack. This I believe is the room of the problem of why you can't reason with these people. Not to mention there is the whole, "The ends justify the means" mentality people fall into when called out on hypocrisy and dick moves.

I am reaching a point where I don't feel comfortable labeling myself. Too many people allow labels to define themselves as who they are as opposed to being a shorthand to describe what your beliefs and/or allegiance may lie. Twist my arm though, I prefer the term egalitarian and humanist.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

It's a shame that feminists (and feminism itself) are referred to in a contemptuous manner these days because of the obnoxious radicals ranting about patriarchy and shit- especially since women are still treated abysmally in many parts of the world.

Now no one wants to call themselves "feminist", because they're unfairly be lumped in with angry misandrists (and hypocrites).

Yet anti-feminism seems to be like: "blaming Jen, Maya, Nicole, and Lynn for something bad Rebecca did- though Rebecca continues her bullshit while the wrong people take the flak for it."

...Thanks for nothing, Dumblr. (And Quinn, Sarkeesian, Wu, etc.)

 

[Dark Mirror Hole]

I no longer know what feminism means anymore. There are people who believe that men can't be feminists or something because they haven't lived as a woman and then there are people who believe otherwise, and it's this constant debating over semantics. I'll just say that I'm an egalitarian and if that also makes me a feminist, then so be it. If it doesn't, I don't care.

 

[Magpie]

Loosely, yes. But like any person with a lick of sense I hold a pretty deep contempt for radical feminists. I think they're just as damaging, if not more so, than the people who plug their ears and say "la la la sexism is over."

 

[SpessCaptain]

I'm a firm supporter of the Egalitarian Movement - equality among people. There are some things I agree and disagree with Men's Rights Movements and Feminism but I think all we all want in the end is to be equal.
Also labelling this thread "Not a Honeypot" makes me wonder what you were expecting.