Financial commentators lash Labor for targeting unrealised capital gains in super, warn of potential extensions to other assets - Aussie gov. wants to tax unrealised capital gains

Leading financial commentators have labelled Labor’s controversial plan to impose hefty taxes on unrealised capital gains as a “wealth tax” and outlined the potential dangers if the government applied the move to a range of commonplace assets.

The Albanese government’s polarising plan to slap a 30 per cent tax rate on super funds above $3 million looms, with Labor and the Greens expected to join forces in the Senate to pass the legislation after the Prime Minister’s resounding election victory.

However, the policy has faced relentless backlash from industry magnates who have slammed Labor for overturning decades of convention by charging taxes on gains before they are realised and for refusing to index the policy.

Prominent financial commentator Dimitri Burshtein labelled the policy a “wealth tax” and told Sky News host Chris Kenny that despite Labor claiming the proposal would only impact a slim portion of the population, the non-indexation of the policy meant that more people over time would fall victim to the tax.

“It's currently non-indexed, so eventually it could erode to ridiculously low levels and capture everyone,” Mr Burshtein said, adding there was an element of “sloppiness in the analysis” due to Treasury not counting all defined benefit superannuation schemes.

The corporate consultant also denounced Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles’ accusation the business sector's opposition to the plan was akin to a “scare campaign” and reiterated the proposal violated longstanding norms of the Australian taxation system.

“It's a horrible tax. It's designed badly, it breaches transparency. The fact that it can be charged on unrealised gains is just despicable. It lays a template to go after the home, any assets, it's essentially a wealth tax,” Mr Burshtein said.

Meanwhile, Sky News Australia Business Editor Ross Greenwood said the tax on unrealised capital gains in super balances was unprecedented in nature and represented a seismic shift in how the government collected revenue.

“I heard Richard Marles said this was a scare campaign, well of course it's a scare campaign because this basically undoes the basic principles of Australia's tax system,” he said.

"It's not indexed, so more and more people each and every day because their earnings will rise will drop into this pool of people, they will actually be taxed when and if every year the price of their assets has gone up”.

Mr Greenwood also said the policy deterred people from accumulating sufficient funds in their superannuation accounts and forced account holders to switch from self-managed funds to industry funds of which are subject to more stringent government regulation and oversight.

“In many ways it almost seems though this tax strategy is a strategy to try and stop people accumulating too much in their super funds and secondly to try to divert people with self-managed super funds to put their money into industry funds”.

“Of course, industry funds is where you've got many unions that have more control over that and as a result the government has more control over where that money is allocated as well."

He also explained the proposal would have dire consequences on liquidity and stated that although an asset may rise exponentially in price in a given year, an account holder likely would not possess the available capital to pay the tax bill unless they sold the asset itself.

“If they invest in a piece of venture capital that rises very rapidly in price, they could be given tax bill that they can’t pay, and at the same time they can't sell the business because the business is not for sale, it's not traded on the public market," Mr Greenwood said.

The seasoned business reporter stressed that even if a consumer paid a tax on an unrealised capital gain one year, if the asset fell in value the next year the government would not provide the superannuant with a rebate or a refund on the loss.

“So all of a sudden your asset can go up and come back down, you've paid the tax but the tax officer and the government don't give you any money back. You have to sell the asset to be able to get a tax credit based on capital gains tax," he said.

 
The issue with unrealized gains isn't that it isn't currently taxed (it shouldn't be because its retarded to do so for obvious reasons). The problem is that unrealized gains can be leveraged for debt (which is for all intents and purposes cash), bypassing the tax that would come from when its realized. This is how Musk bought Twitter by the way and its super common amongst the uber rich to get around taxes.

Make this illegal and your problem is solved without fucking over everyone else who invests.
 
Last edited:
The issue with unrealized gains isn't that it isn't (and shouldn't) currently taxed. The problem is that unrealized gains can be leveraged for debt (which is for all intents and purposes cash), bypassing the tax that would come from when its realized. This is how Musk bought Twitter by the way and its super common amongst the uber rich to get around taxes.

Make this illegal and your problem is solved without fucking over everyone else who invests.
Europoor here could you give me a more specific example? I mean I someway understand it but not really?
Like Musk for example saying twitter will have those unrealized losses which will put the buying price at this amount so Elon can buy twitter for the amount the unrealized losses (twitter doesn't make profit).
 
Europoor here could you give me a more specific example? I mean I someway understand it but not really?
Like Musk for example saying twitter will have those unrealized losses which will put the buying price at this amount so Elon can buy twitter for the amount the unrealized losses (twitter doesn't make profit).
No, it had nothing to do with Twitter. He used the unrealized gains on his Tesla stock as leverage to acquire the "debt" from banks/investors to buy Twitter. He could have sold his stocks to be liquid enough to buy twitter without debt, but then his stock becomes realized gains due to it becoming liquid and he has to then pay taxes on all that money he "made".

He avoids paying taxes by just using his stock as leverage for Debt which, while he does still need to pay interest, is far cheaper than paying the taxes from selling his stocks. Not to mention that if his investment went well he could have outright paid off the debt without having to incur much loss from the interest.
 
Make this illegal and your problem is solved without fucking over everyone else who invests.
That's the thing: the ruling elites want to fuck over everyone who isn't them. That's the entire point of most modern legislation related to finances and taxes.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: cactus
@tehpope your link is borked
Is it? Its loading for me. The raw link didn't work for me. Cause AUS wants me to pay to read news articles. Even though I'm an American.

Europoor here could you give me a more specific example? I mean I someway understand it but not really?
Like Musk for example saying twitter will have those unrealized losses which will put the buying price at this amount so Elon can buy twitter for the amount the unrealized losses (twitter doesn't make profit).
Musk put up some of his unrealized wealth, stocks, as collateral to get a loan to buy Twitter. Basically showing the banks "Look, I can make the payments on the loan and here's how I'm gonna make the business profitable to make sure I pay the loans on time".
 
Three million Aus dollars is only 1.94 million US dollars. Since this proposal isn't indexed to inflation or cost of living, it effectively gets worse and worse as the years go by.

At the usual retirement withdrawal guideline of 4 percent, 1.94 million USD would only give an annual retirement income of 77,600. That's not exactly living large in 2025.
It lays a template to go after the home, any assets, it's essentially a wealth tax,”
That's the plan.

They're going to raid the assets of "Heritage Australians" (whites) to pay for "New Australians" (immigrants). Abbos already get taken care of by whites. Non-whites won't keep Australia's govt, medical system and pensions solvent.
 
Daily reminder that the Aus govt pours about $40+ bil (and more) annually to peepeepoopoo abbo programs and whatnot.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: IAmNotAlpharius
The even bigger issue is that this is a tax on superannuation, which is our retirement savings.
This has been floated in the US too, and yes it would absolutely murder 401ks, as well as retail, individual investing.

If you dabble with stocks on Robinhood, for example, and you have no money to cover the taxes on gains, you would have to sell shares to cover. You'd be taxed on the selling of those shares so you would have to sell more than needed to cover the initial loss. Eventually you'd have to cash in. 401ks would be a losing proposition, as the small gains would be hit by the taxes.

With pensions not being a thing and Social Security on track to be giving anyone past Boomers nothing (or just a pittance that would be coffee money), the government would have no choice but to print more money for more gibs, making seniors dependent on government handouts even more. And money printer going BRRRRR means more inflation.

Stocks would go back to being the playground of the ultra rich, who could sustain profit by volume.
 
This has been floated in the US too, and yes it would absolutely murder 401ks, as well as retail, individual investing.

Its also designed to punish home and real estate ownership. Its also specifically designed to get people to stop saving money in any way. The left in the US has historically considered any kind of personal savings to be a form of theft. Everyone is supposed to live paycheck to paycheck. Retirement is a supposed to come either from a union or from the government.

As far as the wealthy go, the way these kind of things tend to work over time is that programs gradually evolve such that different types of investment are treated differently. The government starts to use taxation to encourage investment in particular ways that the government either depends on (government bonds) or wants to encourage (spending in particular industries).

he government would have no choice but to print more money for more gibs, making seniors dependent on government handouts even more. And money printer going BRRRRR means more inflation.

Yeah. But their literal thinking goes that if people don't own anything and don't having any savings, inflation will no longer mean anything to them. Rather than inflation being seen as a bad thing by average voters, voters will see the effect of inflation as being a constant series of pay raises and new government benefits which they will be greatful to the government for.
 
No, it had nothing to do with Twitter. He used the unrealized gains on his Tesla stock as leverage to acquire the "debt" from banks/investors to buy Twitter. He could have sold his stocks to be liquid enough to buy twitter without debt, but then his stock becomes realized gains due to it becoming liquid and he has to then pay taxes on all that money he "made".

He avoids paying taxes by just using his stock as leverage for Debt which, while he does still need to pay interest, is far cheaper than paying the taxes from selling his stocks. Not to mention that if his investment went well he could have outright paid off the debt without having to incur much loss from the interest.
But the question remains, how does he pay back that debt? I don't think he can just pay interest and chug along can he?
 
Back