Funimation Audio Leaks - Sacred Ointment memes for degenerate teens

[pearlslam]

Why do you have such an axe to grind with TFS? They're not part of the Funi clique destroying Vic, and they're one of the few groups of people with something to gain who aren't jumping into bed with KV, and just say they believe the court will settle it.

It's not rumors, by the way. It's just fact that TFS thinks of Chris as a personal friend, and are kind of star-struck by him. He shields them because he thinks they're funny, and they are at their root just a bunch of fanboys making fanvideos. Nick basically idolizes him as a voice actor. Even if he didn't offer them safe harbor from Toei, of course they'd buddy up to him. At least they're smart enough to know that taking official sides will damage them more than refusing to.

There are rumors going around that TFS is giving kickbacks to Funi to shield them from Toei's copyright strikes, which occur 1-2 times a year. They have a financial interest in KickVic and Sabat (who I personally think that the TFS funds are acutally going to) even if they don't realize it. That is the TL;DR of it all.

 

[Allanon]

Videl, maybe? She kind of filled that role in the actual show.

That would probably work, yes. Especially as they said Dende will be extremely passive aggressive and catty with her, so her being the straightwoman will keep it from going too off the rails.

There are rumors going around that TFS is giving kickbacks to Funi to shield them from Toei's copyright strikes, which occur 1-2 times a year. They have a financial interest in KickVic and Sabat (who I personally think that the TFS funds are acutally going to) even if they don't realize it. That is the TL;DR of it all.

I dunno where those rumors are coming from. From my personal observation, they're being protected by Sabat purely because Sabat enjoys DBZA. He's been letting them in to the dubbing scene more and more as he's gotten closer to TFS, which fits completely with the idea that he thinks he's the don of dubbing. But they absolutely do have financial interest in Kickvic. They have no choice but to agree with Sabat so long as Sabat is the one in power, and if Funimation burns down to the ground they're screwed. ISWV and Vic kicking back actively endangers their livelihoods and their entire careers as voice actors even outside of TFS. It shows that they're actually able to read the room and are in touch with the internet better than Funimation and half the VAs that despite this they choose to be neutral and refuse to comment on it.

 

[Somnius]

That would probably work, yes. Especially as they said Dende will be extremely passive aggressive and catty with her, so her being the straightwoman will keep it from going too off the rails.

I heard all of the fans assuming that, but where did they confirm it?

 

[Allanon]

I heard all of the fans assuming that, but where did they confirm it?

Kaiser explicitly stated as much. I believe he said it in a couple of his patron-only editing streams. Those have only a couple dozen people per stream, so he spends much of the time responding to questions and such.

 

[quickthrowaway]

I dunno where those rumors are coming from. From my personal observation, they're being protected by Sabat purely because Sabat enjoys DBZA.

They come from Nick Rekieta. On the same stream he dropped the rest of the leaks, he also mentioned that he had heard this from a reliable source. But he needs at least two separate sources before "running" a story so to speak. Meaning he'll drop it as info he's heard, but nothing that he has confirmed himself.

 

[Allanon]

They come from Nick Rekieta. On the same stream he dropped the rest of the leaks, he also mentioned that he had heard this from a reliable source. But he needs at least two separate sources before "running" a story so to speak. Meaning he'll drop it as info he's heard, but nothing that he has confirmed himself.

Interesting. That seems even scummier of Chris, if he's going to take advantage of fanboys by buddying up to them to 'protect' them but then charge them protection money. I can see how he would have sold it as a 'legitimate' licensing agreement.

 

[Sir Wesley Tailpipe]

Interesting. That seems even scummier of Chris, if he's going to take advantage of fanboys by buddying up to them to 'protect' them but then charge them protection money. I can see how he would have sold it as a 'legitimate' licensing agreement.

Even scummier when you know damn well that Toei would never have given Funi any sublicense rights.

 

[AnOminous]

Interesting. That seems even scummier of Chris, if he's going to take advantage of fanboys by buddying up to them to 'protect' them but then charge them protection money. I can see how he would have sold it as a 'legitimate' licensing agreement.

You always "protect" your prison bitch cock slaves.

 

[UY 690]

I wonder this is very weird? But are The One Piece Podcast also protected by Funimation or are moles for them? One of their friends work for Funimation and the other one is working for Viz Media translating the One Piece manga? What is going to happen to them once Funimation is out of the picture? A friend of mine from DA told me they are not only dishonest but also, are fake progressives as well. I mean political shit aside. What if they are part of KickVic and are involved in getting him fired as well. Or? They the same as us like dark from the info and Funimation only tell them a few little lies to keep straight. Remember the time when ANN did an article about One Piece coming back to Toonami and Funimation told them it was fake news? Fake news. Not we can't confirm or disclose if it's true. But fake news. Which is beyond weird given the Synopsis there ANN got looked and feel like it's Professionally written and done by Funimation. But this was months back before the leaked tapes were even a thing. So someone from Toei Animation told them not to do that and now they may never get the dubbing rights to do One Piece again due to the damage control the leaked tapes cost them. Either way? The lawsuit is going to be sweet and Dandy! (Sorry pun intended)

 

[BrandedEagle]

The only Middleman Toei would use regarding TFS is Lawyers. TFS is a bug Funi wishes to crush. You don’t cut a deal with your bootleggers. Please do give up on these tales of TFS being some sort of noble fans who will be embraced by the IP owners. Toei rightfully views them as thieves that steal from them and undercut their products value.

jesus you sound as bad as those parents behind the satanic panic.

you didn't read anything I said at all so let me make it simple. Only Funimation and TFS knows whats up. They are the only ones who can shape the narrative. If TFS is smart, they'll claim that the money they paid was supposed to go to Toei and they didn't know Funi was pocketing it ie throw funi under the bus.

This will likely redirect Toei's rage from the gullible idiots to the malicious pirates that are Funi.

also we've been over this and I thought we agreed that the issue was too complex for us spergs to decide whether their works were fair use or not...... guess that got shot to hell huh?

 

[AnOminous]

also we've been over this and I thought we agreed that the issue was too complex for us spergs to decide whether their works were fair use or not...... guess that got shot to hell huh?

If Funimation/Okratron/Sabat are involved in any way, the issue isn't even fair use any more, it's breach of contract.

 

[BrandedEagle]

If Funimation/Okratron/Sabat are involved in any way, the issue isn't even fair use any more, it's breach of contract.

true enough. I'd argue fraud depending on what TFS have to say. As I mention, they could make that claim and I'm sure there's a law against taking payments for another and pocketing it yourself.

 

[RodgerDodger]

jesus you sound as bad as those parents behind the satanic panic.

you didn't read anything I said at all so let me make it simple. Only Funimation and TFS knows whats up. They are the only ones who can shape the narrative. If TFS is smart, they'll claim that the money they paid was supposed to go to Toei and they didn't know Funi was pocketing it ie throw funi under the bus.

This will likely redirect Toei's rage from the gullible idiots to the malicious pirates that are Funi.

also we've been over this and I thought we agreed that the issue was too complex for us spergs to decide whether their works were fair use or not...... guess that got shot to hell huh?

I don't need to read anything you are posting regarding Toai and TFS. Nobody cares whats up between Funi and TFS. Toei views them as Bootleggers and Thieves. No business will ever in anyway seek a negotiated settlement with such. For Toei to even talk to TFS, Toei would expect up front compensation for all prior and existing copyright and license violations, at Toei's asking price. Which would likely be at about 150% over whatever TFS might have earned from exploiting any Toei properties (gross earnings, not net) . There is no pathway for Funi to bring them in from the wilderness and never will be. Businesses don't like pirates and bootleggers. And Funi knows this. American companies are generally even more hardcore about this than the Japanese. If you steal from a business they will not go into business with you.

And no their works are pretty clearly NOT fair use. Digesting or Abridging a work is not something covered under Fair Use.

 

[BrandedEagle]

I don't need to read anything you are posting regarding Toai and TFS. Nobody cares whats up between Funi and TFS. Toei views them as Bootleggers and Thieves. No business will ever in anyway seek a negotiated settlement with such. For Toei to even talk to TFS, Toei would expect up front compensation for all prior and existing copyright and license violations, at Toei's asking price. Which would likely be at about 150% over whatever TFS might have earned from exploiting any Toei properties (gross earnings, not net) . There is no pathway for Funi to bring them in from the wilderness and never will be. Businesses don't like pirates and bootleggers. And Funi knows this. American companies are generally even more hardcore about this than the Japanese. If you steal from a business they will not go into business with you.

Then why the fuck bother replying? that's like saying 'Why bother suing when I can just kill the motherfucker!". that's dumb. and you're dumb for saying it without clearly thinking.

and again you don't read. what is wrong with you? you're acting like a pissed off kickvicer. stop it. you're just embarressing yourself. I guess before when we agreed the issue was complex you were just spouting bullshit for so fine. I completely reject what you say about them being thieves. Fair use is very clear on the issue sine parodies like disaster movie exist. now kindly fuck off.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Then why the fuck bother replying? that's like saying 'Why bother suing when I can just kill the motherfucker!". that's dumb. and you're dumb for saying it without clearly thinking.

and again you don't read. what is wrong with you? you're acting like a pissed off kickvicer. stop it. you're just embarressing yourself. I guess before when we agreed the issue was complex you were just spouting bullshit for so fine. I completely reject what you say about them being thieves. Fair use is very clear on the issue sine parodies like disaster movie exist. now kindly fuck off.

I'm not a pissed off anything. I'm a businessman. One who these days is quite well submerged in the murkiness of international copyright and licensing. No Business with what they perceive to be breached IP would EVER act in the way you are fantasizing Toei, Funi and TFS is. You don't do business with your bootleggers is a hard and fast rule. You do not permit your partners to do so, and if you find your partners doing this against your wishes you find new partners. There is never a point of "and everybody became friends and gave us the super duper cartoon we always wanted". Yeah, no! Not gonna happen. Not ever gonna happen. Because it quite frankly does not work that way. Did the supposed money TFS funneled through Funi include every cent of revenue they have ever earned + 20-50%? If not the conversation is not happening. And even all paying that huge bill would do would be to allow Toei to go "HaHa!" and slam the door in their face. Understand, from Toei's position what TFS did is an unpardonable sin. Pretty much every company will take this stand regarding misuse of IP and licensing. Could Sabat have been stealing from TFS under the assumption that he would in some way intervene on their behalf with Toei? Sure, I mean he is absolute scum so he is probably capable of anything deplorable. But there is no set of circumstances where Toei would take up his offer.

 

[BrandedEagle]

I'm not a pissed off anything. I'm a businessman. One who these days is quite well submerged in the murkiness of international copyright and licensing. No Business with what they perceive to be breached IP would EVER act in the way you are fantasizing Toei, Funi and TFS is. You don't do business with your bootleggers is a hard and fast rule. You do not permit your partners to do so, and if you find your partners doing this against your wishes you find new partners. There is never a point of "and everybody became friends and gave us the super duper cartoon we always wanted". Yeah, no! Not gonna happen. Not ever gonna happen. Because it quite frankly does not work that way. Did the supposed money TFS funneled through Funi include every cent of revenue they have ever earned + 20-50%? If not the conversation is not happening. And even all paying that huge bill would do would be to allow Toei to go "HaHa!" and slam the door in their face. Understand, from Toei's position what TFS did is an unpardonable sin. Pretty much every company will take this stand regarding misuse of IP and licensing. Could Sabat have been stealing from TFS under the assumption that he would in some way intervene on their behalf with Toei? Sure, I mean he is absolute scum so he is probably capable of anything deplorable. But there is no set of circumstances where Toei would take up his offer.

stop putting words in my mouth. stop acting like kickvic, it looks worse than a fur coat on a corpse. Have I ever said Toei and TFS would make up? no. thats your fantasy. stop forcing it on me.

I'm pointing out that TFS can shape the narrative and if they do it right, Toei will have more reason to be pissed at Funi than TFS. After all, even in your scenario that money would be Toei's by right and Funi just shat all over that. That's far more disrespectful than what TFS did and I can see Toei temporarily turning their gaze from TFS to Funi.

And for the record, because you love putting words in my mouth, let me eject those words and make my own so you can't pull that shit again.

TFS, in this scenario, wouldn't have worked with Toei. As you mention, Toei simply hates TFS. That said, they can still survive. They'll have to adopt a new business model and potentially drop DBZA from youtube but regardless they can still produce content and survive. Worst case they retreat fully to their site and use social media as beacons to it. best case, they find a way to keep DBZA stuff to their site and leave their social media untouched so Toei can't pull bullshit without actually breaking the law.

 

[indianshedevil]

Would the both of you please stop fighting?!

@RodgerDodger @BrandedEagle

 

[Allanon]

Toei and TFS will not ever work together well, because Toei is stupid and doesn't understand that DBZA isn't harmful to them. That's just a fact of life. In the end, likely TFS will continue to exist in some form even if Funimation crumbles. They'll just have to go further into the recesses of the internet to do it, like most fan parodies. Their patreon will be hit hard, if not outright destroyed, and their VA work prospects will likely dry up, which will make the Buu sag or other abridged series less likely (as they won't have time + funds to do it properly anymore), but existing DBZA episodes will continue to exist, because this is the internet.

I don't understand the raw hatred some posters have for TFS, and it makes me conclude they're just not very familiar with fandom circles and products pre-WW, but TFS and Toei making nice is not going to happen. Toei is stubborn and very much influenced by the panic Japanese companies hold for the concept of having their profits 'stolen', so expecting someone to sit them down and explain why they're making a mountain feud out of nothing is foolishly optimistic.

 

[BrandedEagle]

Would the both of you please stop fighting?!

No problem.

Toei and TFS will not ever work together well, because Toei is stupid and doesn't understand that DBZA isn't harmful to them. That's just a fact of life. In the end, likely TFS will continue to exist in some form even if Funimation crumbles. They'll just have to go further into the recesses of the internet to do it, like most fan parodies. Their patreon will be hit hard, if not outright destroyed, and their VA work prospects will likely dry up, which will make the Buu sag or other abridged series less likely (as they won't have time + funds to do it properly anymore), but existing DBZA episodes will continue to exist, because this is the internet.

I don't understand the raw hatred some posters have for TFS, and it makes me conclude they're just not very familiar with fandom circles and products pre-WW, but TFS and Toei making nice is not going to happen. Toei is stubborn and very much influenced by the panic Japanese companies hold for the concept of having their profits 'stolen', so expecting someone to sit them down and explain why they're making a mountain feud out of nothing is foolishly optimistic.

I agree with everything you just said. I don't expect Toei to make nice with TFS. What I do expect, if TFS goes the route I suggested, is that Toei would decide Funi needs to go first, deals with them, and then returns to its regularly scheduled bashing of TFS.

 

[Confused Doggo]

Not beyond the realm of doubt that Namco would hold back the game or make it sub-only in light of all of the drama.

I'd imagine they'd go with making it sub only; less costly on money and time.
Or they could just replace the English voices with Microsoft text to speech kind of stuff.
Unlikely, but it's funny to think about.