Isaac says the reason they didn't respond immediately was because they wanted to protect Lucas. He also says they have info about Lucas that would cause the internet to pull a complete 180 on the feud between them and Lucas, but they won't release it cause they want to protect Lucas. Isaac will repeatedly claim he can't answer questions because he's protecting Lucas during the interview.
For the initial contract Lucas Signed with the Davids, Isaac defends that only the Davids had a lawyer with them by saying that Lucas was only selling like three holster a day at the time so he doesn't see why they'd need more than one lawyer present. Of course this raises the question of if it was such a small time business why involve lawyers, ownerships agreements and contracts in the first place? Did the Davids want to make sure they got their fair share of the profits of those three holsters?
fun fact: the original contract between Lucas, David, and David had an apostasy clause, where if any of the three were kicked out of their church (the one ran by the Botkin's father ) they would forfeit their share of TREX arms.
Isaac will do this a lot, where he'll try to dismiss Lucas' impact to the business. Bringing up how TREX was started in their parent's garage, and how Lucas would occasionally borrow tools from the brothers, or he'd borrow money from the sisters etc. It's all comes off as a very indirect way to suggest TREX was always a family business and that they were entitled to some ownership of it.
This continues as when the hosts during a question mention how Lucas was viewed as synonymous with TREX arms he isn't able to finish the question before Isaac interrupts to explain only people on the internet think that and the actual industry never thought that.
Isaac is asked about the prenup situation. For those who haven't followed this around 2019/2020 Lucas got engaged, according to Lucas his brothers didn't care for this or her and pressured him to get a prenup. This is interesting because it's the only part of the saga that Isaac says he wasn't involved in. Every other event in the drama between Lucas and his brothers, Isaac was apparently either involved in or aware of except this one. Isaac says he never personally saw anyone pressure Lucas but he thinks it's likely Lucas was actually the one who initially thought of getting a prenup and David Noor just said it was a good idea. Lucas responded by agreeing but only on the condition that the one unmarried David agreed to get a prenup too if he got married and that David and Isaac got post-nups. Since this was all to protect the family business and nothing personal this shouldn't be a problem, right? Isaac declares the whole thing "silly" but his body language and the tone of his voice shows he's still clearly pissed about the whole situation and having to get a post-nup.
Isaac claims the effects of Lucas' slander damaged the business and impeded their ability to be involved in various mid term primaries and elections they would've been involved with otherwise. Subtly claiming it's Lucas' fault more pro 2A politicians didn't make it into office this year. He's really vague about this and I'm not sure if he's trying to subtly signal towards Massie or just pro 2A politicians in general.
When asked to elaborate Isaac will claim the details are personal family matters. He does this repeatedly and on multiple different subjects, and it kind of defeats the purpose of the interview.
Giving Lucas' wife a job is brought up. Isaac says what happened was Kara didn't ask for a job but proposed a new position at the company for herself. This all very vague because Isaac just can't seem to remember what happened here. He complains they would've had to change the "org chart" for this, so he can remember some things, and that him and the Davids had multiple meetings in regards to this before sending this to HR and the CEO for an impartial decision. Which raises the question for me that if they had always planned to let the CEO or HR make the final decision on the matter why were they having meetings about it? It's worth noting that Isaac and David's wives both work at TREX arms. The podcast host follows up by asking if you didn't need the position she wanted did TREX arms make a counter offer for a position they did have? Isaac doesn't remember.
The furry porn thing is asked about but Isaac pretty much refuses to answer any questions about it under the guise of protecting everyone's privacy to include Lucas'. Again we are back to Isaac saying he can't answer a question because he's protecting Lucas.
The payout is asked about and Isaac says they've had multiple third party appraisers estimate the value of the company and what Lucas' payout should be but Lucas keeps rejecting the offers because they don't match Lucas' appraisal. When asked what the difference is Isaac says "a lot of things" and refuses to go into detail or explain what that means.
The hosts move on and ask Isaac if he has anything he'd like to say to Lucas, and Isaac sounding like he's on the brink of crying begs Lucas to "just call mom and dad" this last for about 2 seconds as when the hosts ask about the future of TREX arms Isaac is suddenly perfectly fine and sounds like nothing happened.
Isaac says they are moving away from having a singular charismatic influencer as the main marketing point of the company and he thinks the whole gun industry in general is moving away from influencers. Please forget that after Lucas left they tried to make that Brandon Wombat guy the new charismatic influencer face of TREX arms and it failed miserably.
