General GunTuber thread

[Romulus augustulus]

My suspicion is that even if there was no NFA and no import ban getting anything full auto from the UK or Germany would be borderline impossible due to their export situation. Even exporting semi autos from Germany seems dicey, Now Russia on the other hand, is allegedly hording loads of WW2 surplus to sell when the time comes, even shit like Thompson SMGs (we gave them to them as equipment on lend lease Shermans and they replaced them all with Soviet weapons before sending the tank out) just sitting in depots. I'm also sure full auto HK clones from the Turks would be on the street the next day.

a lot of the "russian" mil surp guns and ammo we used to get was actually ukrainian.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

It also doesn't help that probably 90% of all commercially available 10mm Auto loads are actually downloaded to .40S&W specs too

It bothered the shit out of me so much that I had to start loading my own. I love shooting my Glock 40, pissing hot hand loads with a KKM comp but it feels like a 9mm.

I’ve taken it hiking with me a few times when I’ve been up north in bear country, but it’s mostly just a range toy.

As others have mentioned, 10mm is a decent enough cartridge, but it only excels when you load it hot. Once you do that, people have a harder time shooting it, so no one wants one. It’s an almost impossible sell, especially when 9mm does everything well enough.

I’ve oft heard the line that defensive 9mm loadings were very poor until the last 10-15 or so years, so maybe the improved ballistics really were worth it.

 

[waffle]

I don't know. The German government would probably be pretty interested in getting their cut from H&K, so they may amend that law to only include "trusted allies" or some shit. It'd also give them a (perceived) lever to pull against the US. I don't know of anything full-auto even being produced in the UK anymore, except maybe Luty guns, but if you're getting store bought Luty guns, you're doing it wrong.

They've previously had the opportunity to pass similar laws and instead elected to harass H&K over US law enforcement contracts to the point they built a US factory.

a lot of the "russian" mil surp guns and ammo we used to get was actually ukrainian.

It's been illegal to buy most guns from Russia since at least the mid 90s, but that restriction has always been on our end. They have historically sold us anything we wanted to buy. Ukraine was always a place to launder Russian guns because they were importable here jf they set in a warehouse for 10 years there. There's been a rumor for a few years some importer is ageing a warehouse full of SVDs to cash in on in some central Asian country.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

They've previously had the opportunity to pass similar laws and instead elected to harass H&K over US law enforcement contracts to the point they built a US factory.

I think the Columbus factory was motivated as much by US import law as it was by German export law.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

They've previously had the opportunity to pass similar laws and instead elected to harass H&K over US law enforcement contracts to the point they built a US factory.

It's been illegal to buy most guns from Russia since at least the mid 90s, but that restriction has always been on our end. They have historically sold us anything we wanted to buy. Ukraine was always a place to launder Russian guns because they were importable here jf they set in a warehouse for 10 years there. There's been a rumor for a few years some importer is ageing a warehouse full of SVDs to cash in on in some central Asian country.

im sure there was some of that going on, but Ukraine had absolute shit tons of soviet arms and ammunition stores placed there to be closer to the front during WW3. second only to Russia itself. billions and billions of rounds of x39 and x54r, millions of mosins etc.

unfortunately most of those stores were in the east that seceded in 2014, and the depots in the west were locked down because the Ukrainians rightly foresaw that they were going to need that ammunition soon.

the milsurp market as we knew it was artificial for the most part. as soon as something -anything scared the slavs it was going to be locked up tighter than a nun's corset.

 

[waffle]

im sure there was some of that going on, but Ukraine had absolute shit tons of soviet arms and ammunition stores placed there to be closer to the front during WW3. second only to Russia itself. billions and billions of rounds of x39 and x54r, millions of mosins etc.

unfortunately most of those stores were in the east that seceded in 2014, and the depots in the west were locked down because the Ukrainians rightly foresaw that they were going to need that ammunition soon.

the milsurp market as we knew it was artificial for the most part. as soon as something -anything scared the slavs it was going to be locked up tighter than a nun's corset.

Oh, that's all definitely true. All I'm saying is the proportion of that stuff that came directly from Russia was artificially driven down by our own policies, and the Russians seem to have a lot of stuff they'd rather sell for money to make new rifles than attempt to use. If nothing else they seemed to really want to get into the new production sporting arms market much more than they were allowed.

 

[crab fucker]

10mm at least is plausible to use compared to some other loads I've seen for defense. It has it's niche as a woods/hiking caliber, but yeah that's probably as good as it gets. FBI fuckup number 5632.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

10mm's fall at FBI was not solely due to more woman agents (though that was a part of it) it was also that 10mm was a lot more gun than the FBI had ever issued agency wide.

we have to remember that the standard FBI sidearm was a short barreled medium frame revolver. Even using the FBI load (one of the better .38 loadings) it still does not have that much kick to it. the last issued revolver was the S&W model 13 .357 mag but nearly all agents issued this gun carried the .38 FBI load. the few agents that wanted to carry .357mag ammo were required to pass qual separately.

So imagine the issues they encountered when they tried to issue what essentially amounts to magnum rounds agency wide when the vast majority of agents never fired more than .38 special. scores dropped across the board. thus the .40 S&W, which is actually a decent round on its own when compared to 9mm, .38 and .45ACP instead of 10mm and .357

 

[Gunt istic]

Yes it is, "AllAboutSurvival" is probably the worst one since it leaves comments on other gun videos.

That AI slop account comments on every major gun channel. This one from the recent FW weird Czech machinegun.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

My suspicion is that even if there was no NFA and no import ban getting anything full auto from the UK or Germany would be borderline impossible due to their export situation. Even exporting semi autos from Germany seems dicey, Now Russia on the other hand, is allegedly hording loads of WW2 surplus to sell when the time comes, even shit like Thompson SMGs (we gave them to them as equipment on lend lease Shermans and they replaced them all with Soviet weapons before sending the tank out) just sitting in depots. I'm also sure full auto HK clones from the Turks would be on the street the next day.

Russia actually has its own strict export rules about anything considered historical. All those Mosins 15+ years ago came from Ukraine for example. Most of the "Russian" imports post-1998 that aren't new guns made in Russia actually came from various Eastern European countries that had Soviet stocks, mainly Ukraine.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Came across this a little bit ago. The channel in question is mostly just this dude shooting various old surplus guns (a Mannlicher m95 in this case). What's just strange is the comment below. Either its an immensly unfunny troll, or just some really weird individual

 

[Gunt istic]

Ian is joking obviously but I don't think the Europoor understands how infamously bad HK customer service was which would make anyone consider the DOE 9mm AR over the MP5 back in the day.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Ian is joking obviously but I don't think the Europoor understands how infamously bad HK customer service was which would make anyone consider the DOE 9mm AR over the MP5 back in the day.

In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards…But it doesn’t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks… If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you. At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn’t fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn’t it? Yeah, you know you want one. And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don’t need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly Teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we’ve fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don’t believe us, it is because you aren’t a real operator.

By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you’re civilians, so we won’t sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do. Buy our stuff.

Sincerely

HK Marketing Department

HK.

Because you suck. And we hate you.

 

[08903248752]

I'm gonna be honest: I only click on GT videos now to quickly scan the video to see his balding progression.

Most recent video had him keeping his helmet firmly latched on his head for the entire duration, lol.

Once he starts perma-hatting, his Dale Gribble transformation will be complete.

I guess you either die a John Redcorn or live long enough to see yourself become a Dale Gribble. Sad!

 

[Samhain]

The only HK guns that held any appeal to me are the 416 and MP5. The civvie MR556 was never worth the money, and neither is the upcoming MR556A4 ($4k and still no chrome lined barrel?). A Brownells BRN-4 is cheaper and they have chrome lined barrels available (occasionally, anyway). Plus, there's LWRCI's piston offerings.

The MP5 is cool because it's been featured in numerous movies and video games since the '80s, but it's obsolete. The civvie SP5 is overpriced, and for that money I'd rather buy a B&T APC9. There are a bunch of MP5 clones out there cheaper than the SP5, but they still require spending even more money on accessories just so you can get a red dot and light attached. At that point I'd once again rather spend the money for an APC9. The APC9 has much better ergonomics than the MP5 too.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The APC9 has much better ergonomics than the MP5 too.

There are very few thing that do not, as a general rule, have better ergonomics than an HK product.

 

[08903248752]

Reminder: all HK guns have perfect* ergonomics

Spoiler

*Assuming you're Jeff Dabe

 

[BikeLock]

'2A4ALL' is a fig leaf that Karl uses to deflect from the fact that he specifically started positioning himself as a radical leftist, collaborating with radical leftists. While the Tacticool GF videos got him some mockery for sucking transsexual penis, the main criticism was that TGF is an actual Antifa member, the sort who does actually go and do real-deal anarchist shit.

Karl knows that's pretty hard to defend even to a normie audience, let alone the right-wing types who typically watch gun channels and make up the overall firearms community. So he's been trying to cloak it in the language of equality, as though any criticism is about the race/sexual orientation/gender identity and not political viewpoints.

If he simply wanted to reach out to LGBT people, he could have worked with Erin 'Erin Sith' Smith, whom he has worked with in the past and has some links with both him and Ian. Erin is the transwoman on the right in this video from some years back. Erin, while not really a Youtuber, still has a longstanding presence in the firearms and training community in the west/southwest. Someone who would be ideal for representing a nontraditional gun enthusiast.

But he didn't ask Erin to get involved, because he was specifically looking to work with a communist or an anarchist or some other flavor of leftist, and Erin is very right-wing. So he specifically contacted a leftist transsexual, and then used TGFs gender identity as a shield when he took flak for promoting commies. If he were just doing outreach to people less represented in firearms ownership he probably would have taken some ribbing, but he's straight up trying to get the people who hate America to take up arms.

Rule number 1 of AR15.com:
That Pirate is not single, and is a dude.

This has been my Ted talk.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Reminder: all HK guns have perfect* ergonomics

Spoiler

*Assuming you're Jeff Dabe
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Who is this manly teutonic oper8r?

 

[BananaHand]

I'm not sure if this belongs in the Mega Rad Gun Thread or the one about Karl Kasarda, even though he is not directly inside of it yet his opinions on the matter are extremely similar. Seems like media has been drawing attention to the Pennsylvania Chapter of the Socialist Rifle Association, as well as more recently here in the Maryland SRA. Seems to be the same repetitive talking points of them calling who is not them "fascist" or "Nazis".

Seems like they are trying to portray themselves as some sort of defensive group yet if looking at them on Reddit it seems that they view firearms as a tool to use to go against their perceived enemies and disarm them. Much of it can be seen in the Karl thread by screencaps in response to his recent videos.

Pretty interesting to see how some of these individuals are getting bucked around by a 5.56 AR-15 like how someone would get shoved by a shotgun with slugs or something. It doesn't help that the thing is some garbage-rod build with an oversized gas port and an underweighted buffer.