Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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I do have a serious question: do people not think pilots ever get accepted? I mean, the antis keep bitching about how this is the end of times, and the fans keep praising it for apparently breaking boundaries by... getting pitched? It's a pilot, and it got picked up. Steven Universe, and Thundercats Roar, and Secret Mountain Fort Awesome. They get picked up. Big deal. I feel like people acting like it's the end of the world are way overblown, but so are people acting like this revolutionizes the industry.
Maybe I just don't get it or I'm missing something, but to me it looks like the Hazbin crew accomplished the same thing as any other successful pitch for thousands of dollars more than any of those other ones cost, I wouldn't call that revolutionary. Cool, but not revolutionary.

Tell me if I'm just missing something.
 
Not surprised. I predicted this months ago on this very thread that the pandemic would get media companies scrambling to snatch up indie properties for an astronomically growing streaming market. Hazbin was such a smash internet hit that it couldn't be ignored. Mix this with Viv actually putting out other complementary content that isn't complete dog shit, showing to producers/show runners that she can actually make passable content in a reasonable time frame, and you have a hot potential streaming IP/Indie show runner that media moguls want to stick their dick into (figuratively and, probably, literally).

Its just a matter of if this will be a quality TV show or, in the worst/best case scenario, Viv going full lolcow toppling the whole house of cards single handily. I doubt it, but the possibility always exists.

A24 gives me some hope though. There one of the few media companies I have any actual excitement for due to how indie friendly they are, how they take actual risks in Hollywood, and how they like to keep their hands out of production. This seems to all be on Viv to fuck up.
 
I do have a serious question: do people not think pilots ever get accepted? I mean, the antis keep bitching about how this is the end of times, and the fans keep praising it for apparently breaking boundaries by... getting pitched? It's a pilot, and it got picked up. Steven Universe, and Thundercats Roar, and Secret Mountain Fort Awesome. They get picked up. Big deal. I feel like people acting like it's the end of the world are way overblown, but so are people acting like this revolutionizes the industry.
Maybe I just don't get it or I'm missing something, but to me it looks like the Hazbin crew accomplished the same thing as any other successful pitch for thousands of dollars more than any of those other ones cost, I wouldn't call that revolutionary. Cool, but not revolutionary.

Tell me if I'm just missing something.
Simply put? It's mainly because it was one of the first and most widely popular animated series created and produced by an independent team online - helped by the fact that they have a crew that's able to adapt to an online work environment previously not ventured, as opposed to an in-studio show, made specifically for a show that's meant to be streamed instead of televised - and serves as a huge win for the indie animation industry, even despite the people working on it being less than savory online personalities.

You could point to other pilots that got picked up like Final Space/Breadwinners/Smiling Friends as better examples of that, but the difference with pilots like that is that, respectively:
A.) They usually were relative unknowns and were picked up primarily based on the person that worked on it (who up until that point had only mainly worked on live action skits) and the vague interesting setup that never got expounded upon until an actual writing staff came on to help them.
B.) Were reviled upon release, are still considered as low points for the channels that picked those series up, and was made completely as a joke but was picked up because the network didn't understand how translating Internet properties to TV would work out.
Or C.) Had been completely dropped on everyone without notice with no chance to properly react to it until after it only aired once and then never again.

You could also point to The Cartoonstitute, What A Cartoon!, or Oh Yeah! Cartoons as a similar sort of way pilots got picked up, or the myriad of other shows created as pilots that just got passed over (i.e. Harpy Gee), but not only do things like that happen rarely these days, but most of those people were either working under the tutelage of former show staffs or already had previous connections within the industry. Whereas this one was made with completely fresh talent, and got picked up solely because the amount of hype and begging for it to become a show simply couldn't be ignored.

I understand that this sounds like I'm jerking Vivzie off here, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that that's not a neat accomplishment that could help lower the barrier of entry to other independent creators in the future. Albeit this more a case of them doing everything right, at the right place, at the right time (especially in the midst of corona, for reasons @Chilson has already said) where others had failed previously, and promoting the show really well. And that's ALSO assuming this goes well to begin with. This could just as easily be a fluke, but time will tell.

A24 being attached to this gives me a lot of hope, though, that this will be good.
 
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I was not surprised when I saw some people, way back, state that their hatred for the project was initiated supposedly because VivziePop watched some Youtube SJWS GET REKT compilations back when everyone was doing that. I mean, there are people who dislike it, legitimately because it is Not. Their. Thing. but the Tumblr-istabots constantly ON and ON about how much they HATE it seem mostly to be motivated by petty reasons, that nobody was interested in their idea for a Steven Universe ripoff or a cartoon that was essentially the Power Rangers but made up of diverse BIPOC characters.
 
Simply put? It's mainly because it was one of the first and most widely popular animated series created and produced by an independent team online - helped by the fact that they have a crew that's able to adapt to an online work environment previously not ventured, as opposed to an in-studio show, made specifically for a show that's meant to be streamed instead of televised - and serves as a huge win for the indie animation industry, even despite the people working on it being less than savory online personalities.

You could point to other pilots that got picked up like Final Space/Breadwinners/Smiling Friends as better examples of that, but the difference with pilots like that is that, respectively:
A.) They usually were relative unknowns and were picked up primarily based on the person that worked on it (who up until that point had only mainly worked on live action skits) and the vague interesting setup that never got expounded upon until an actual writing staff came on to help them.
B.) Were reviled upon release, are still considered as low points for the channels that picked those series up, and was made completely as a joke but was picked up because the network didn't understand how translating Internet properties to TV would work out.
Or C.) Had been completely dropped on everyone without notice with no chance to properly react to it until after it only aired once and then never again.

You could also point to The Cartoonstitute, What A Cartoon!, or Oh Yeah! Cartoons as a similar sort of way pilots got picked up, or the myriad of other shows created as pilots that just got passed over (i.e. Harpy Gee), but not only do things like that happen rarely these days, but most of those people were either working under the tutelage of former show staffs or already had previous connections within the industry. Whereas this one was made with completely fresh talent, and got picked up solely because the amount of hype and begging for it to become a show simply couldn't be ignored.

I understand that this sounds like I'm jerking Vivzie off here, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that that's not a neat accomplishment that could help lower the barrier of entry to other independent creators in the future. Albeit this more a case of them doing everything right, at the right place, at the right time (especially in the midst of corona, for reasons @Chilson has already said) where others had failed previously, and promoting the show really well. And that's ALSO assuming this goes well to begin with. This could just as easily be a fluke, but time will tell.

A24 being attached to this gives me a lot of hope, though, that this will be good.
Adding to this, Hazbin Hotel being successful opens the floodgates for other independently made cartoons making a splash. Satina managed to release its pilot to positive reviews while Long Gone Gulch is still managing your truck along with production and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. More and more people are catching on that they don’t need corporations to support and meddle with their ideas.
Internet cartoons went from little flash animations to now being able to rival TV animation. And if you’ve seen modern animation, that’s a very good thing.
With how people are madder about this than Ren & Stimpy you'd think Vivzie is the one who fucked teenagers.

TBF to the anti John K.s, though, they made sure to point out he wouldn't be attached to or benefit from the reboot at all and there was also the #bettercartoon sperging.
The bettercartoon tag managed to somehow make me appreciate HH more.
 
I dunno, a lot of these posts kind of reek of petty mean girl behavior. Plus it’s kind of dumb to say she’ll bail on this when it’s the project she’s the most invested in.
I can understand where he's coming from, Vivzie left off webcomics off in hiatuses for years instead of just going "I'm bored of this, I'm sorry but I'm going to cancel". I remember Zoophobia was a weird thing: Created back in 2011-2, got a hiatus somewhere on 2012-2014, a complete deletion, went back in 2015 with new art, got a hiatus, then some pages are slowly deleted. I haven't came back to read it since...2016(?), so no idea if it still in hiatus or not. I think she got an investor for one of them or something?
 
I can understand where he's coming from, Vivzie left off webcomics off in hiatuses for years instead of just going "I'm bored of this, I'm sorry but I'm going to cancel". I remember Zoophobia was a weird thing: Created back in 2011-2, got a hiatus somewhere on 2012-2014, a complete deletion, went back in 2015 with new art, got a hiatus, then some pages are slowly deleted. I haven't came back to read it since...2016(?), so no idea if it still in hiatus or not. I think she got an investor for one of them or something?
I think she’s still interested in doing it, but her main focus is HH and HB right now, which is taking up a lot of time and effort.

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Oh boy! The cancel woke crowd is at it again ever since the announcement of HH getting picked up.

Same old allegations of digging up her past. "VIVZIE DREW DIS YEARS AGO!1!"

Didn't Rebecca Sugar draw Ed Edd n Eddy porn and some weird Zim sex slave thingy?
 
Oh boy! The cancel woke crowd is at it again ever since the announcement of HH getting picked up.

Same old allegations of digging up her past. "VIVZIE DREW DIS YEARS AGO!1!"

Didn't Rebecca Sugar draw Ed Edd n Eddy porn and some weird Zim sex slave thingy?
Have you ever seen that joke Rugrats storyboard one of the people on the show drew? Artist draw nsfw stuff all the time just for shits and giggles, I find it hilarious people try to cancel someone they don’t like over it.
 
I was surprised after watching Hazbin Hotel to learn Vizie is kinda SJW-y, but honestly I don't have a problem with that since it seems like it hasn't stopped her from having an actual sense of humor. Most of her ilk try to make bean mouth cartoons about fatasses stating their morals to the viewer, and Hazbin is refreshingly as far as you can get from that. Like, I'm nervous about it, but cautiously optimistic.

If it never really comes through her show and it keeps the same tone, then I think she's succeeded regardless of how many Twitter spergouts she's had.
I'm not gonna pretend like I agree or approve of all of Vivzie's dumbass political views or armchair activism, but at the very least she's an open critic of cancel culture and has a decently edgy sense of humor, so I'm willing to tolerate the occasional retarded moral-posturing that usually comes from liberal/leftist content creators.

Saying that, now that it's been confirmed that Hazbin will be a full series, this kinda opens the doors to a lot of questions; will we get a release date for Season 1 any time soon? How many episodes will we get? Will A24 upload an official trailer on their channel? Are they gonna supply Vivzie with some of their own personnel to help with the production of the show? How will the show be distributed? Through actual cable or through streaming?
 
Oh boy, what-the-hazbin has gone completely bonkers. She now wants to get as much people to assault Hazbin Hotel fans and even throw paint bombs at them.
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And she may have created a new post which is basically the new jorieldraws: https://twitter.com/RootbeerFloaty/status/1291857029880045571

Did some digging and why tf am I not surprised...
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Its the Validate game that has already gotten a thread and the person who made a tweet saying HH is offensive.
 
Oh boy, what-the-hazbin has gone completely bonkers. She now wants to get as much people to assault Hazbin Hotel fans and even throw paint bombs at them.
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And she may have created a new post which is basically the new jorieldraws: https://twitter.com/RootbeerFloaty/status/1291857029880045571

Did some digging and why tf am I not surprised...
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Its the Validate game that has already gotten a thread and the person who made a tweet saying HH is offensive.

I didn't know you can pin tumblr posts now. Social media sites are really blending together.
what-the-hazbin better chill out with the physical threats, especially if she's familiar with Manny's blogs.

This entire Twitter thread is a trip.
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They also link to the exact same tumblr that @anonymousmouse92 mentioned when they posted here.

Every single tweet in that thread is filled with replies telling this bitch off. The one with the most replies is (shocker) the one saying money-loving and pointed noses = Jews.
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That's barely a nose, what a fucking reach! :story:
 
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