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- Feb 14, 2025
hoe_math is a "Christian," single, childless, 40-year-old retired fuckboy who does dating advice videos with a twist! He uses hand-drawn
Here's his video about the Female Delusion Chart to show an example of the type of content that he makes:
While his YouTube videos seem to be relatively "normal," with him mocking TikTok and podcast women's egos and "red pilling" young men with his drawings, his Twitter is where his Lolcow side really comes out.
SIDE NOTE: The name "hoe_math" comes from one of his TikTok videos when he responded to a woman asking, "Men with no hoes, where are you?" His explanation of where these men are led to someone commenting, "I didn’t expect to turn on TikTok and wake up to hoe math," and the name stuck. Here's a video of him explaining it.
HM's been talking about changing his professional handle for around a year and a half. He's concerned that the offensiveness of the name limits his shareability among women and normies.
Most of his audience is supportive of the change. People give him suggestions weekly. "Soul_math" seems to be the decided frontrunner, but like many themes in his life, he's indecisive about pulling the trigger or remaining "based."
He's also bothered that his YT gender split is 90/10 male. He's fairly obsessed with making changes to tap the female audience market to bring his ideas to them. He also is very explicit that he doesn't want to be typecast as a red pill/relationship guru but as a general philosopher to save the human race from the upcoming civilizational collapse.
Table of Contents
- hoe_philosophy
- hoe_politics
- hoe_powerlevel
- hoe's hoes (his fans)
- Lolcow Cross_hoe_ver with Rudyard Lynch
- Other C_hoe_llaborations
- Contact Inf_hoe
hoe_philosophy
Since HM is a Red pill guru, he tends to cater to men. Just like other Red pillers, he believes that men should NEVER show weakness or their negative emotions to a woman, or else she'll lose attraction to him and start searching for another man. He also believes that getting jacked can solve any shortcomings that you might have (looks, height, attitude, autism).
He also has several beliefs that set him apart from other Red pillers.
He has an interesting take on men cheating on their significant other with an "uglier" woman. 🄰
He got mad when people called him out for it and responded with this message.
Here's HM's advice to women to find (and keep) a good man.
- Look as good as you can.
- Be modest.
- Don't be skanky.
- Get rid of your neuroticism.
- A man wants a woman who doesn't cause excessive problems.
- Don't criticize men for liking other women's social media posts.
- Career and skills are less important for women.
- "Look good, be loyal."
- Don't go tempting other men.
- Don't start fights with your man for no reason.
- "Be cooperative, not competitive."
HM doesn't like kids but accepts that they are necessary for society.
HM warns not to trust nurses.
Some bullet points from the video.
- They are hurt.
- They've had their hearts broken.
- They are sassy.
- They blame you for everything.
- They never take responsibility.
- They think they are just as good as doctors.
- They aren't traditional.
- They are overworked and underpaid.
Charts
This is his bread and butter. As previously mentioned, HM likes to use drawings and charts to try to explain the modern dating scene, among other things.
This Zones chart is probably the most important and the most frequently used drawing in HM's whole kit (besides the Female Delusion Chart for attractiveness).
The left side is the male decision tree:
- Men are much simpler and mostly value women on physical attractiveness, lack of body count, not being a cunt, etc.
- The male version essentially has 3 relationship categories: Keepers (unicorn marriage material), Sleepers (women good enough to fuck and parade around publicly but never commit to), and Sweepers (slump busters—women good enough to fuck secretly if desperate but embarrassing to be associated with publicly).
The right side is the female decision tree:
- much more complicated
- Take-Home Message: Investment on the Y Axis (Money, Attention, Time, Resources, Being Nice, Being Safe) can never make up for lack of Tingles/Raw Attractiveness/Bad Boy Energy.
- Physical Attraction/Bad Boy Energy on the X Axis is much more desirable and effective.
The Ick chart.
He divides female repulsion into two categories.
Type I - Not Masculine Enough (macsculine = imposing your will on things actively)
Type II - Too Feminine (receptive, allowing things to passively act on you)
Table has five tiers.
Tiers at the top of the chart are more reasonable icks - Living with parents, can't use tools.
Lower-tier icks are more irrational and indicate unreasonableness in female expectations in a mate, i.e., not wife material - i.e., carries bear spray in woods, wears a raincoat in wet weather (gets turned off by prudent behavior).
One of his most interesting (and autistic) chart is his "Levels of Consciousness" chart.
This is another chart that HM references in almost every video.
He created it himself, based on his own psychology education background and the work of an academic named Ken Wilber.
Here's a video of him explaining it.
Summary
This video explores the concept of levels of thinking and consciousness, which are stages of psychological development influenced by various factors such as culture and personal experiences. The presenter aims to simplify complex theories from researchers like Jean Piaget and Abraham Maslow, and while discussing these stages, he emphasizes that personal growth involves moving through these levels of awareness. The video outlines several key levels ranging from basic survival instincts to sophisticated global understanding, illustrating how individual perspective and societal context shape thought processes. These levels are not strictly linear, as individuals may experience them differently. The video seeks to provide an engaging yet thought-provoking look into how people’s thoughts and behaviors are interconnected and how evolving awareness can lead to better personal and societal growth.
Highlights
Theoretical Framework: The video introduces a psychological development model explaining levels of thinking and consciousness.
Stages of Development: It discusses various levels, from basic survival instincts to complex global understanding.
Personal Growth: The presenter emphasizes that developing higher levels of consciousness enhances awareness but doesn’t inherently equate to moral superiority.
Cultural Context: The importance of understanding different perspectives based on one’s cultural background is highlighted in developing global thinking.
Amusing Insights: Humor is employed throughout to make complex ideas more accessible, including jokes about misspelled vegetables.
Self-Reflection: It encourages viewers to self-reflect on their levels of thinking as they navigate life’s choices.
Future Videos: The presenter teases upcoming content focused on personal development themes related to relationships and self-awareness.
Key Insights
Levels of Awareness: The presenter explains that cognitive development includes distinct levels, with each advance allowing for more complex and nuanced understanding. Higher awareness does not guarantee moral superiority but rather signals increased knowledge and understanding of perspective differences.
Personal Experience Shapes Thought: The video stresses the importance of personal experiences in shaping one’s level of consciousness. Factors such as cultural background and life choices significantly affect an individual’s thinking patterns.
Non-linearity of Development: Individuals progress through these levels at different paces, and they may not stay within a single level consistently. This non-linearity reflects a more nuanced understanding of human psychology.
Global Thinking: The transition to a level of global thinking is crucial where individuals recognize and respect differing perspectives, resulting in better societal functioning. This begins with understanding that thoughts and beliefs stem from cultural contexts.
Objective Observation: At higher levels, individuals can observe not only their behavior but also how societal norms influence that behavior. This leads to a more well-rounded, objective perspective on moral and ethical situations.
Hippie Level: The video humorously discusses the “hippie level” where moral relativism allows individuals to see validity in all perspectives, which can sometimes lead to moral confusion if not grounded properly.
Complexity of Choices: The video portrays how higher awareness allows for greater complexity in decision-making. Understanding the nuances behind motivations and actions can lead to more informed and effective choices.
This summary, highlights, and insights encapsulate the video’s exploration of levels of thinking, making complex psychological theories accessible and relevant for personal growth and societal understanding.
This video explores the concept of levels of thinking and consciousness, which are stages of psychological development influenced by various factors such as culture and personal experiences. The presenter aims to simplify complex theories from researchers like Jean Piaget and Abraham Maslow, and while discussing these stages, he emphasizes that personal growth involves moving through these levels of awareness. The video outlines several key levels ranging from basic survival instincts to sophisticated global understanding, illustrating how individual perspective and societal context shape thought processes. These levels are not strictly linear, as individuals may experience them differently. The video seeks to provide an engaging yet thought-provoking look into how people’s thoughts and behaviors are interconnected and how evolving awareness can lead to better personal and societal growth.
Highlights
Theoretical Framework: The video introduces a psychological development model explaining levels of thinking and consciousness. Stages of Development: It discusses various levels, from basic survival instincts to complex global understanding. Personal Growth: The presenter emphasizes that developing higher levels of consciousness enhances awareness but doesn’t inherently equate to moral superiority. Cultural Context: The importance of understanding different perspectives based on one’s cultural background is highlighted in developing global thinking. Amusing Insights: Humor is employed throughout to make complex ideas more accessible, including jokes about misspelled vegetables. Self-Reflection: It encourages viewers to self-reflect on their levels of thinking as they navigate life’s choices. Future Videos: The presenter teases upcoming content focused on personal development themes related to relationships and self-awareness.Key Insights
Levels of Awareness: The presenter explains that cognitive development includes distinct levels, with each advance allowing for more complex and nuanced understanding. Higher awareness does not guarantee moral superiority but rather signals increased knowledge and understanding of perspective differences. Personal Experience Shapes Thought: The video stresses the importance of personal experiences in shaping one’s level of consciousness. Factors such as cultural background and life choices significantly affect an individual’s thinking patterns. Non-linearity of Development: Individuals progress through these levels at different paces, and they may not stay within a single level consistently. This non-linearity reflects a more nuanced understanding of human psychology. Global Thinking: The transition to a level of global thinking is crucial where individuals recognize and respect differing perspectives, resulting in better societal functioning. This begins with understanding that thoughts and beliefs stem from cultural contexts. Objective Observation: At higher levels, individuals can observe not only their behavior but also how societal norms influence that behavior. This leads to a more well-rounded, objective perspective on moral and ethical situations. Hippie Level: The video humorously discusses the “hippie level” where moral relativism allows individuals to see validity in all perspectives, which can sometimes lead to moral confusion if not grounded properly. Complexity of Choices: The video portrays how higher awareness allows for greater complexity in decision-making. Understanding the nuances behind motivations and actions can lead to more informed and effective choices.This summary, highlights, and insights encapsulate the video’s exploration of levels of thinking, making complex psychological theories accessible and relevant for personal growth and societal understanding.
Originally a year ago, he teamed with some AI programmers to make a paid assessment tool so HM's viewers could pay something like $9 to score themselves. It was called "LevelCheck.ai." He promoted it in a May '24 appearance with The Quartering.
The two engineers/programmers for the first phase of his Level Check AI paid app, where his paypigs could have their level of consciousness from 1 to 9 assessed, appear to be a two-man Canuck brother team.
Their business address is in Calgary, AB, Canada.
One brother studied at the University of Waterloo in Waterloo, ON (probably the closest thing Canada has to Silicon Valley; it was the birthplace of BlackBerry/Research in Motion).
The other brother claims to have worked in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada, which is in far northeastern Alberta, deep in oil sands territory. Meaning he likely works/worked for an oil company in some capacity.
It seems to have been retired but rolled into a bigger paid AI app he is selling called "Self-Maximize AI." The new app seems to consist of the Consciousness Level Check, combined with some AI reminders on one's personal goals and reminders on how to achieve them.
Self-Maximize Chart
This one is the finalized roadmap from his proudest work, his Self-Maximize AI paid self-improvement app. He now seems to be selling it as a subscription service (he either said on Rich Cooper or his own live on April 1st that paying him $10/month was unbelievable value).
There was a whole meme about it during the first six months of his viral breakout in fall '23-early '24.
He would constantly reference that he was devoting all his waking hours to its development (only the theory parts, his developers do all the actual AI and app stuff). He would constantly claim that its release was imminent if only he gave it a full 1-3 days of his attention.
It became a meme that his lives, Twitter and YT comments were flooded with people excited to "consume-next-product" and asking like a child when it was getting launched.
I don't know exactly what it entails, but as I understand it
- it incorporates the old paid Levelscheck.ai AQAL/Ken Wilbur "Levels of Consciousness" 1-9 assessment
- some sort of goal-setting, self-help assessment
- some sort of alarm clock, accountability system to measure your progress
He eventually launched it in early '24 (edit: March 1st '24) to much hype with a 24 min explanation video.
Preservetube
SIDE NOTE: Personally, I feel the whole thing was pretty underwhelming. There was so much hype and adulation before it launched that it would've been impossible to meet expectations. I feel as though his audience remained polite when it finally dropped but were similarly underwhelmed, but I could also be projecting.
This one is the finalized roadmap from his proudest work, his Self-Maximize AI paid self-improvement app. He now seems to be selling it as a subscription service (he either said on Rich Cooper or his own live on April 1st that paying him $10/month was unbelievable value).
There was a whole meme about it during the first six months of his viral breakout in fall '23-early '24.
He would constantly reference that he was devoting all his waking hours to its development (only the theory parts, his developers do all the actual AI and app stuff). He would constantly claim that its release was imminent if only he gave it a full 1-3 days of his attention.
It became a meme that his lives, Twitter and YT comments were flooded with people excited to "consume-next-product" and asking like a child when it was getting launched.
I don't know exactly what it entails, but as I understand it
- it incorporates the old paid Levelscheck.ai AQAL/Ken Wilbur "Levels of Consciousness" 1-9 assessment
- some sort of goal-setting, self-help assessment
- some sort of alarm clock, accountability system to measure your progress
He eventually launched it in early '24 (edit: March 1st '24) to much hype with a 24 min explanation video.
Summary
In this video, the speaker introduces a self-improvement concept termed “Self-Maximize,” a mind map aimed at helping individuals evaluate and improve their dating market value. Drawing from personal experiences, the speaker narrates their transformative journey from being perceived as a “four” to an “eight” through weight loss, fitness enhancement, style upgrades, and better social skills, leading to significant changes in their dating life. The core idea is that understanding and maximizing one’s value in various categories—physical appearance, social skills, career status—can lead to better outcomes in relationships. The speaker emphasizes the importance of consciousness, noting that self-awareness and feedback from the environment are crucial for personal growth. The self-maximize process is illustrated through a flowchart representing how desires translate into behaviors and environments, encouraging viewers to be more contemplative about their experiences and to recognize areas that need change. By addressing issues within categories like fitness, fashion, and masculinity, the speaker aims to provide a clearer understanding of how to become more appealing and successful in dating. Ultimately, Self-Maximize serves as a personal coaching tool designed to enhance self-awareness and enable listeners to attract better relationship dynamics.
Highlights
The concept of “Self-Maximize” focuses on improving one’s dating market value through self-reflection and personal growth.
A flowchart illustrates the transformation process: desires, thoughts, behaviors, and environmental feedback.
Emphasis on physical appearance and fitness as foundational elements of attraction in the dating world.
Fashion and grooming contribute significantly to how one is perceived by potential partners.
Consciousness and self-awareness are vital for recognizing personal weaknesses and making necessary changes.
The speaker shares practical guidelines for self-evaluation across multiple zones impacting dating success.
Successful relationships require reciprocity, meaning individuals should consider how to meet each other’s needs rather than just focusing on personal desires.
Key Insights
Understanding Desires: The first step in self-maximizing is recognizing one’s true desires in dating and life. This awareness is essential for navigating personal behaviors and expectations.
Feedback Loops: The feedback from one’s environment can drive personal improvements. By actively collecting and responding to feedback, individuals can make informed choices that lead to positive changes.
Physical Transformation: A focus on fitness and body image is non-negotiable in the dating world, as physical appearance heavily influences attraction and perceived value.
Dress and Style: The way one presents themselves affects social perception. Efforts in fashion and grooming directly correlate with an individual’s confidence and attractiveness.
Avoiding Self-Interest: The speaker warns against a self-centered mentality. Instead of expecting others to accept unrealistic expectations, individuals should strive to be desirable in ways that genuinely attract partners.
The Role of Masculinity: Masculinity is framed not merely as a trait but as a pivotal aspect of attraction, one that necessitates confidence, power, and the ability to make things happen.
Reciprocal Relationships: Attracting and maintaining relationships involves more than personal improvement; it requires an investment in others and understanding the dynamics of emotional closeness and support in mutual success.
In summary, the video provides insight into personal development strategies aimed at enhancing dating prospects through a systematic approach, prompting viewers to examine and optimize various aspects of their lives holistically.
In this video, the speaker introduces a self-improvement concept termed “Self-Maximize,” a mind map aimed at helping individuals evaluate and improve their dating market value. Drawing from personal experiences, the speaker narrates their transformative journey from being perceived as a “four” to an “eight” through weight loss, fitness enhancement, style upgrades, and better social skills, leading to significant changes in their dating life. The core idea is that understanding and maximizing one’s value in various categories—physical appearance, social skills, career status—can lead to better outcomes in relationships. The speaker emphasizes the importance of consciousness, noting that self-awareness and feedback from the environment are crucial for personal growth. The self-maximize process is illustrated through a flowchart representing how desires translate into behaviors and environments, encouraging viewers to be more contemplative about their experiences and to recognize areas that need change. By addressing issues within categories like fitness, fashion, and masculinity, the speaker aims to provide a clearer understanding of how to become more appealing and successful in dating. Ultimately, Self-Maximize serves as a personal coaching tool designed to enhance self-awareness and enable listeners to attract better relationship dynamics.
Highlights
The concept of “Self-Maximize” focuses on improving one’s dating market value through self-reflection and personal growth. A flowchart illustrates the transformation process: desires, thoughts, behaviors, and environmental feedback. Emphasis on physical appearance and fitness as foundational elements of attraction in the dating world. Fashion and grooming contribute significantly to how one is perceived by potential partners. Consciousness and self-awareness are vital for recognizing personal weaknesses and making necessary changes. The speaker shares practical guidelines for self-evaluation across multiple zones impacting dating success. Successful relationships require reciprocity, meaning individuals should consider how to meet each other’s needs rather than just focusing on personal desires.Key Insights
Understanding Desires: The first step in self-maximizing is recognizing one’s true desires in dating and life. This awareness is essential for navigating personal behaviors and expectations. Feedback Loops: The feedback from one’s environment can drive personal improvements. By actively collecting and responding to feedback, individuals can make informed choices that lead to positive changes. Physical Transformation: A focus on fitness and body image is non-negotiable in the dating world, as physical appearance heavily influences attraction and perceived value. Dress and Style: The way one presents themselves affects social perception. Efforts in fashion and grooming directly correlate with an individual’s confidence and attractiveness. Avoiding Self-Interest: The speaker warns against a self-centered mentality. Instead of expecting others to accept unrealistic expectations, individuals should strive to be desirable in ways that genuinely attract partners. The Role of Masculinity: Masculinity is framed not merely as a trait but as a pivotal aspect of attraction, one that necessitates confidence, power, and the ability to make things happen. Reciprocal Relationships: Attracting and maintaining relationships involves more than personal improvement; it requires an investment in others and understanding the dynamics of emotional closeness and support in mutual success.In summary, the video provides insight into personal development strategies aimed at enhancing dating prospects through a systematic approach, prompting viewers to examine and optimize various aspects of their lives holistically.
SIDE NOTE: Personally, I feel the whole thing was pretty underwhelming. There was so much hype and adulation before it launched that it would've been impossible to meet expectations. I feel as though his audience remained polite when it finally dropped but were similarly underwhelmed, but I could also be projecting.
Anime and Video Games
Similar to other manosphere content creators, HM opposes video games and anime and has some controversial takes about those who enjoy them.
Tweets 🄰 (For context, he was commenting on how Matt Walsh's post making fun of a guy wearing a VR set.)
Because of this, he proceeded to kick the hornet's nest, which was his male weeb audience, and they clowned on him. Here are some of the responses.
He proceeded to triple down on his take and act like a passive-aggressive bitch boy when people said that many use video games and anime as escapism.
He also got BTFO'd on this post as well.
🄰
He also proceeded to shill his AI platform.
HM went further the next day in an Interview with Rich Cooper
HM can't see the world fixing itself if it falls back on escapism, feeling good/hedonism.
RC - Replacement hobbies?
HM - Replacements IRL much more productive, just as fun
Replacements
- Started learning guitar at 16, improved a lot with quitting video games in the early 2000s (not in clip, but gave up video games with OG Xbox/Halo 2)
- "I learned to sing in the car while delivering pizzas" and now practices much more at home.
- reads and studies a lot
- learned to read music
- Uses spreadsheets to "figure things out."
- Currently using spreadsheets of "all musical notes," analyzing frequencies and ratios between notes and perceived emotional reactions (heroism, sadness, royalty, etc.)
- Not in the clip, but Cooper goes on to ask him if he was ever diagnosed on the spectrum.
- HM "No," but doctors unsolicitedly ask him due to lack of eye contact, affect, and mannerisms.
Religion
HM was raised a Catholic but became an atheist and finally a "Christian" later on. He has some interesting views on religion.
When HM returned to church after COVID, he claimed that everyone was "evil". 🄰
The reason why is because he is an anti-vaxxer, and he believes that those who took the vaccine "surrendered their minds to authority," so when he returned and was told to "surrender his mind to God" instead, he lost it. 🄰
He also explains that he's not a Christian to most Christians, but a "Christian" to most people on earth. 🄰
HM also wants to rewrite the Bible. 🄰
He also wants to remove the "magical thinking" from Christianity. 🄰
He got some backlash for this post, here is his response. 🄰
He doesn't believe in God, he apprehends God. 🄰
He doesn't limit his religion sperging to Xitter, he also does it on his Youtube livestreams.
More wavering on believing in Christianity
- was raised Christian
- thinks modern religion is "too complicated"
- doesn't believe in the Resurrection
- doesn't believe in "things he can't see"
- thinks people believing in "things they can't see" caused a lot of harm historically
More equivocation about God and Christianity.
Says he doesn't have to believe in God himself because God is in the corn, in nature, in the Fibonacci sequence??
"God is in the mathematics of experience"
hoe_politics
HM believes that leftists are communists, ruin everything and that they're subhumans. 🄰
SIDE NOTE: also weird that he says that "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Chris is LORD", I thought he didn't want to submit his mind to any sort of authority.
HM believes that the left is made up of mostly retards, while the right is made up of mostly normal people. Here's his chart on the subject. 🄰
I'm assuming that little green sliver is what he thinks he is: an "autodidactic philosopher who found the source code of reality and must translate it to the masses before it's too late."
Race
HM was racepilled in 2008 during the election of Obama 1.0 when a black guy claimed that it was their country now (referring to his race). 🄰
He got racepilled again in 2020 during BLM when he was living in either SF or NYC.
In the clip, hoe_math describes "living in the nicest neighborhood in the city" then "crime moving in within one day" where he saw/heard assaults, carjackings, broken windows and gunshots from his bedroom window.
At the end of the clip, he also implies that he wouldn't move to Florida because he "doesn't like the clientele", ie. Cubans and Latinos.
LGBT
HM has a graduate degree in developmental psychology. And he also REALLY doesn't like groomers. 🄰
hoe_powerlevel
HM likes to share a lot of things about himself. He also loves to share his problems (ironic) with his audience on Twitter, going as far as asking them for recommendations. He complains constantly about being overworked and being chronically tired despite being a self-employed YouTuber. He's actually solicited his audience to recommend supplements to boost his energy and productiveness that he's obsessed with.
He did a public post not that long ago asking if he should consume methylene blue to alleviate nonspecific energy symptoms. 🄰
Here, he shares that he's 40 years old. 🄰
He reveals that his relationships fell apart because he was emotionally unstable due to his financial instability. 🄰
SIDE NOTE: Considering he claims to have two Psychology degrees, presumably one a postgrad/Masters, 4 years of college minimum starting at age 18 plus 12 years of low pay gig work puts him around age 36+ for having a real job. So either he's counting his dream job ruined by COVID as the start of his financial security. Or he did more postgrad years than I accounted for and he didn't have 5k until his viral social media fame in 2023 around age 38-39.
He also LOVES his girls "bigger than most", which kind of goes against his high standards, Chad-lite, Redpilled, age gap retired manwhore online persona. 🄰
A big clue why HM is still single. It didn't work out with his "Top 20" gfs because he deemed them all to be raging feminists. 🄰
What mistakes does HM make with women?
Bullet Points
- Doesn't use pet names
- Doesn’t spend money on them, take them out for treats, buy them presents, has always been poor
- Is too honest about things he knows women are sensitive about, that they don't want to hear, but the truth is important
- He relaxes too soon, unloads too much, should hold things in longer
HM reveals a little bit of info about his dad.
- Father didn't teach him any of this stuff
- Father though understands how bad things are out there right now
- Father presumably alive and not estranged
He reveals that he has some degrees in psychology and that he's not hireable.
"I'm not a psychologist"
"I have a couple of Psychology degrees"
"I'm very autodidactic and read a lot and stuff"
"I'm not very hireable. I haven't had a lot of jobs"
"Being a YouTuber and being employable don't tend to overlap"
Funnily enough, HM has never studied math.
"I never studied math"
"hoe_math is referencing math surrounding loose women"
"It's math-adjacent"
Discrimination against white males
HM got rejected from a lot of entry-level jobs, and instead of maybe thinking it could be his fault or his age, he blames the employers for having prejudice against WHITE MALES!! 🄰
🄰When someone replied to him saying that he could sue the employers for discrimination, he basically gave a non-answer, saying that he was rejected VERBALLY, IMMEDIATELY, AND SPONTANEOUSLY FOR BEING A WHITE MALE and wasn't rejected in writing , so he couldn't gather enough evidence to make a lawsuit. 🄰
hoe_ego
HM thinks highly of himself and his charts. Here's a clip of him explaining to a fan why he's so confident in his dating advice.
In this video he claims that
- He's slept with over 120...PEOPLE???
- He's perfected everything through trial and error.
- He studied developmental psych.
- He reads lots of evo psych.
- His techniques haven't failed him in over a decade.
- He'd be out crushing puss if he weren't so old and ugly now.
- It doesn't work every time, but when it does, it works 100% of the time.
HM had his IQ tested twice at age 13. It was "pretty high," but he's too bashful to name the number.
When asked where he meets so many women, he replies that he goes outside and women flock to him because he's just that magnetic.
HM also can't stand losing subs. He recently put all his YT livestreams behind a member paywall because he became obsessed with losing single-digit subscribers after weekly streams for saying controversial things. It's too bad, because they were a great source of personal info leaks.
He also confirms that over 90% of his audience is male, despite wanting to appeal to a female audience.
HM also thinks he can fix the fertility crisis if he were given the power by Elon Musk. When he was asked to explain how he would do it, he put out a lengthy reply.🄰
HM originally wanted to be some Jordan Peterson-esque Guru preaching to young men that Western civilization was broken from the start and didn't want to get pigeonholed as a redpill dating bro
A non-denial that HM sees in himself similar truth-seeking as guru Jordan Peterson. 🄰
C_hoe_VID
Another theme in HM's life story is that the COVID lockdown killed his dream life and dream job. 🄰
In this clip HM gives a vague outline of his life timeline.
Some bullet points.
- Not successful in life with career, money, or women until well after college
- Not mentioned in the clip, but spent 20s working poor, doing gig work, and mooching off women
- Finally had a purpose in life WRT occupation in his mid-30s (presumably in NYC but unconfirmed)
- career was "destroyed by COVID"
- Not mentioned here, but he subsequently rotted in a studio apartment for 2 years during COVID.
hoe's hoes
Just like most "Alpha" dudes in the Manosphere, HM's fans are notorious for not accepting criticism about their precious dating guru. If there's a video clowning on him or criticizing him, the comment section is 100% guaranteed to be full of his deranged fans.Here are some examples:
Some of them are so upset that they leave multiple comments on the video.
Again the pattern of same person writing bunch of comments.
Lolcow Cross_hoe_ver with Rudyard Lynch / WhatIfAltHist
HM actually likes WhatIfAltHist (Thread) a lot, even to the point of collaborating with him multiple times. They even made a video together discussing Feminism vs Patriarchy.Summary
The conversation between host Mr. Hoe and guest Rudyard Lynch, a YouTuber specializing in history and geopolitics, delves into societal evolution, the cyclical nature of civilizations, and contemporary crises affecting modern society. Rudyard, who has transitioned from alternate history to current affairs, articulates concerns over the decline of civilizations and predicts potential civil strife in the United States due to economic inequality and social discontent. They discuss the consequences of neglecting historical lessons in academia, positing that such omissions contribute to repeating failures across societies.
The dialogue presents a cyclical view of civilization where societal breakdown occurs when hierarchical structures are undermined. Rudyard critiques the prevalent optimistic and emotional responses towards complex social issues, suggesting a need for rational analysis. The discussion about masculine and feminine values in societies emphasizes the importance of balance, asserting that extreme leaning towards either side leads to societal decline.
Rudyard further argues that cultural movements, particularly those affecting young men facing challenges in dating and social approval, echo historical patterns leading to revolutions driven by male disenfranchisement. The podcast also details the dynamics surrounding polygamous and monogamous societies, pointing to historical data on polygamy and its connection to societal stability. The conversation highlights rising mental health issues among youth, tied to the collapse of traditional structures, drawing comparisons to the behavioral experiment “Mouse Utopia.”
Furthermore, it tackles the current dating landscape filled with unrealistic expectations and dissatisfaction that reflects broader societal crises. The discussion reiterates the urgency of connecting history to present circumstances to better prepare individuals for potential turmoil ahead. Closing thoughts center on community building and the evolution of currency structures in BRICS nations, exploring their implications for the global economy while remaining critical of the potential challenges posed to the dominance of the US dollar.
Highlights
Impending Crisis: Rudyard predicts potential civil strife in the U.S. due to economic inequality and social discontent.
Cyclical Patterns: The dialogue highlights how neglecting historical lessons contributes to societal failures.
Balance of Values: Rudyard argues that societies must integrate both masculine and feminine values to thrive.
Male Disenfranchisement: Cultural movements affecting young men are seen as precursors to societal upheaval.
Polygamy Dynamics: The dynamics of polygamous and monogamous societies impact societal stability and unrest.
Mental Health Crisis: The link between rising mental health issues in youth and traditional social structure collapse is emphasized.
Global Economic Shifts: Discussing the potential implications of BRICS nations on global currency dynamics and the U.S. dollar.
Key Insights
Crisis Indicators: The acknowledgment of economic inequality as a precursor to civil unrest underscores the importance of addressing root socioeconomic issues to prevent societal breakdown. Such recognition can influence both policy making and grassroots movements focused on equity and community support.
Historical Lessons Ignored: The conversation emphasizes the taboo of applying historical cycles to modern society. Acknowledging these patterns could encourage proactive measures to address emerging crises, ensuring societies do not repeat the mistakes of their predecessors.
Societal Oscillation: The alternating dynamics of masculine and feminine values highlight societal complexity and the need for nuanced approaches to leadership and governance. A balanced representation in leadership roles could foster more sustainable societal progress.
Rising Male Discontent: The historical context of male disenfranchisement leading to revolutions presents a significant warning. Addressing men’s social needs and mental health can play a vital role in stabilizing current societal tensions.
Polygamy and Stability: The discussion on polygamy illustrates how societal structures evolve in relation to marriage norms. Understanding this relationship can provide insights into current demographic and social issues faced by different regions.
Mental Health Crisis: The correlation between social isolation and rising mental health issues among youth serves as a call to action for community and support networks, emphasizing that solitary wellness cannot be achieved without robust social structures.
Implications of Economic Changes: The evolving landscape of global currency aligns with shifting economic power centers, reflecting the complex interactions in global finance and necessitating a re-evaluation of economic policies and practices in light of emerging market dynamics.
This comprehensive examination of societal constructs and historical context provides critical insights into addressing modern-day issues, suggesting that a historical lens could inform more adaptable and resilient societal strategies.
The conversation between host Mr. Hoe and guest Rudyard Lynch, a YouTuber specializing in history and geopolitics, delves into societal evolution, the cyclical nature of civilizations, and contemporary crises affecting modern society. Rudyard, who has transitioned from alternate history to current affairs, articulates concerns over the decline of civilizations and predicts potential civil strife in the United States due to economic inequality and social discontent. They discuss the consequences of neglecting historical lessons in academia, positing that such omissions contribute to repeating failures across societies.
The dialogue presents a cyclical view of civilization where societal breakdown occurs when hierarchical structures are undermined. Rudyard critiques the prevalent optimistic and emotional responses towards complex social issues, suggesting a need for rational analysis. The discussion about masculine and feminine values in societies emphasizes the importance of balance, asserting that extreme leaning towards either side leads to societal decline.
Rudyard further argues that cultural movements, particularly those affecting young men facing challenges in dating and social approval, echo historical patterns leading to revolutions driven by male disenfranchisement. The podcast also details the dynamics surrounding polygamous and monogamous societies, pointing to historical data on polygamy and its connection to societal stability. The conversation highlights rising mental health issues among youth, tied to the collapse of traditional structures, drawing comparisons to the behavioral experiment “Mouse Utopia.”
Furthermore, it tackles the current dating landscape filled with unrealistic expectations and dissatisfaction that reflects broader societal crises. The discussion reiterates the urgency of connecting history to present circumstances to better prepare individuals for potential turmoil ahead. Closing thoughts center on community building and the evolution of currency structures in BRICS nations, exploring their implications for the global economy while remaining critical of the potential challenges posed to the dominance of the US dollar.
Highlights
Impending Crisis: Rudyard predicts potential civil strife in the U.S. due to economic inequality and social discontent. Cyclical Patterns: The dialogue highlights how neglecting historical lessons contributes to societal failures. Balance of Values: Rudyard argues that societies must integrate both masculine and feminine values to thrive. Male Disenfranchisement: Cultural movements affecting young men are seen as precursors to societal upheaval. Polygamy Dynamics: The dynamics of polygamous and monogamous societies impact societal stability and unrest. Mental Health Crisis: The link between rising mental health issues in youth and traditional social structure collapse is emphasized. Global Economic Shifts: Discussing the potential implications of BRICS nations on global currency dynamics and the U.S. dollar.Key Insights
Crisis Indicators: The acknowledgment of economic inequality as a precursor to civil unrest underscores the importance of addressing root socioeconomic issues to prevent societal breakdown. Such recognition can influence both policy making and grassroots movements focused on equity and community support. Historical Lessons Ignored: The conversation emphasizes the taboo of applying historical cycles to modern society. Acknowledging these patterns could encourage proactive measures to address emerging crises, ensuring societies do not repeat the mistakes of their predecessors. Societal Oscillation: The alternating dynamics of masculine and feminine values highlight societal complexity and the need for nuanced approaches to leadership and governance. A balanced representation in leadership roles could foster more sustainable societal progress. Rising Male Discontent: The historical context of male disenfranchisement leading to revolutions presents a significant warning. Addressing men’s social needs and mental health can play a vital role in stabilizing current societal tensions. Polygamy and Stability: The discussion on polygamy illustrates how societal structures evolve in relation to marriage norms. Understanding this relationship can provide insights into current demographic and social issues faced by different regions. Mental Health Crisis: The correlation between social isolation and rising mental health issues among youth serves as a call to action for community and support networks, emphasizing that solitary wellness cannot be achieved without robust social structures. Implications of Economic Changes: The evolving landscape of global currency aligns with shifting economic power centers, reflecting the complex interactions in global finance and necessitating a re-evaluation of economic policies and practices in light of emerging market dynamics.This comprehensive examination of societal constructs and historical context provides critical insights into addressing modern-day issues, suggesting that a historical lens could inform more adaptable and resilient societal strategies.
Therapy Sessions
On December 10th 2023, Rudyard shared 12 life lessons he learned from having PTSD. 🄰
HM responded saying that his experience was the same.
Natural Law Institute Community
There was about a month last year when HM was really shilling this Natural Law Institute conference on his X.
Of course, he himself was too busy prancing around the country in his vanlife arc trying to find a tax-free, based state to call his home, so he didn't attend. He was probably also worried about his face being unmasked.
Rudyard's schizo trance
Archive of HM tweeting "Rudyard is literally me" a month before the crashout
On December 25th and 26th 2024 , Rudyard uploaded 12 hours worth of him autistically sperging out about his life. Here's a video sharing some of the highlights.
Dec 27, '24 analysis of Rudyard's crashout
TL; DR - HM doesn't think it was schizophrenia or a psychotic break from drugs.
He believes that Lynch simply achieved such a high level of transcendence that only a few superior beings like HM could appreciate this new knowledge and not think he'd cracked
He also thinks Lynch will be just fine.
Other C_hoe_llaborations
HM's first collaboration was with some Australian academic called Macken Murphy on Nov 2 2023.The whole thing is very passive-aggressive on Murphy's part. HM stays mostly polite and conciliatory for the whole thing.
Murphy had a lot of disdain for HM and his audience from the start, labeling them all incel chuds. I suspect Macken is more of a male feminist type who sneers at the RP/manosphere in general.
Macken is also very thin-skinned. Earlier in the stream, he commented that HM's audience hated him and called him a cuck, trying to play it off, but his seething bled through.
Anyways, in this clip Macken makes a prognostication that HM will either "become a positive influence" or become "King of the Incels." He also disagrees strongly with HM's contention that modern female attractiveness is inflated by culture/social media and doesn't fit a looks-matched bell curve.
I personally think Macken is a faggot who is concerntrolling, but it's a nice sound bite.
Not in the clip, but they both referenced earlier in the stream that within the preceding 2 months, HM had exploded on YT from a few thousand followers to the new hotness.
In this clip, Macken takes issue with the "delusional" nomenclature of HM's charts of women's asymmetrically shaped preferences and finding the average dude unattractive.
HM responds that he aims for his content to be "funny" and was contemporaneously enjoying being "rude" at the start of his success arc.
Here in the clip, though, we have him all the way back in Nov '23, at the very start of his viral arc, talking about softening his rhetoric and rebranding to gain more female reach and audience.
Murphy Feels hoe_math's content is colored by personal experience of failure, comes off as bitter, negative, misogynist. He feels HM is projecting and externalizing his personal failures onto society as a whole.
HM takes the criticism in stride.
Murphy himself is in a good relationship, so he feels "things are fine, everything is awesome."
Murphy knows many low-status laborers who met their gfs at the pub, have never been on apps, and are doing just fine.
Murphy feels that the Venn diagram of unsuccessful incel men and autists is a circle. Feels they wouldn't be sexually or socially successful in any era.
Both HM and MM feel hoe_math's content really speaks to autists, explaining the social mechanics of dealing with women in excruciating detail.
MM feels Chads like him don't have to think about the minutiae of interactions with women, they just intuitively slay.
15-minute clip of the end of Murphy's appearance on Nov 2nd, 2023 (around 2 hours 15 minutes). HM continued the stream solo for another 2 hours or so. Murphy starts coping & seething and losing his shit.
Murphy
- accuses HM of encouraging his audience to "cosplay as psychopaths" by suggesting dark triad Bad Boy traits (psychopathy, Machiavellianism, narcissism) are sexy to women
- You are encouraging them to be "more Joker than Batman."
- "Have fun being single @ 40," one of the worst strategies (to promote dark triad stuff, says acting dark attracts dark, leads to unstable LTRs)
- "You're telling millions of people to be assholes."
HM
- disagrees with the characterization
- "Women want to see what they are scared of be scared of you."
- Jordan Peterson tier, women want a dangerous man that can turn the psychopathy on when threatened
MM
- Saw your "Toxic Women Want to Be Choked" video last week (Oct 30th, 2023), was incensed, watched it 3x, and wanted to cancel the stream.
Video in Question (Oct 30th, 2023)
(What's a toxic thing you like? Woman - Being choked)
MM
- Video "outrageously dangerous for women"
- "You're saying women like being abused."
- "Reckless to blast this to thousands of people"
- "You're being inflammatory for more clicks."
- "Men who struggle on the dating market tend to be more sexist."
- "You are putting women who interact with [your incel sexist fans] at risk of violence."
HM
- Makes analogy to Everything-I-don't-like-causes-mass-shootings
HM then flipped on air to this BDSM drawing featured in the Oct video that MM was offended by (around the 10-minute mark of the clip).
MM is so bothered by it again, he demands HM take it down.
MM
"I don't like being on screen with this."
"You overestimate how popular BDSM is [with women]."
- recs taking the Toxic/Choking vid down
HM
- mostly bends the knee, agrees it was a mistake, promises to do better, says he's just new and learning, only got popular months ago, and should probably take down offensive content
MM
- "You agree it was a mistake?"
- "All this money is going away on YT/TT" if you keep this up.
- Your chat is calling me a simp, but "I'm a simp for not wanting women to be abused?"
- "You are too fast & loose" with your content.
- "You can't shoot from the hip with the BDSM stuff."
- "You want to be a provocateur, you like edgy comedy."
HM to MM - Send me a list of content you think I should take down. You will be first line.
MM - That would be very generous of you.
From the Oct '23 comments
Before leaving, Macken Murphy fired more shots on his sign off.
"You have one of the strangest opportunities ever."
"You are the 1st famous incel-adjacent celebrity."
"There’s a crowd of men teetering on being selected out of the dating market."
"You've been chosen as their folk hero, cartoonist, philosopher."
"There will be an all-out fight between those successful in facets of life and [incels]."
"If it happens, a lot of them [incels] will end up in jail."
"Will you be making the world worse, encouraging men to attack women, calling women delusional?"
"Do you lean into the bitterness and remain a controversial guy to rile them up?
"Or will you lead them towards ending up in stable, monogamous relationships, having kids?"
Conclusion
- The stream ends on a somewhat bad note, HM streams another 2 hours solo.
- Comments universally hate Macken Murphy.
- HM kept the Oct '23 choking video up.
hoe_math appeared on the Whatever Podcast remotely (without a face reveal) on Oct 29th, 2023.
Brian Atlas: "HM, what is your relationship status?"
- hoe_math is a volcel.
- Single and NOT ready to mingle
- actively avoiding people
- isn't putting in any effort
- Deleted all apps
- moved to the woods
- taking lots of walks
- He's only interested in interacting with women through his hoe_math IP via DMs coming in from across the country.
- They are attracted to him without seeing his face, they like his voice. He finds this crazy.
- "One of them will fly up here eventually."
Note: He gives a geographic clue here.
- During COVID and the subsequent 2 unemployed, depressed, lockdown studio apartment years, he lived in an East Coast blue city (likely NYC).
- Then he "flew across the country to stay in a crappy basement apartment" previously assumed to be in SoCal.
- He also previously lived in San Francisco (timeline unclear).
- He really loves Washington State, this would be his 1st choice if not for local politics.
- His livestreams between Nov and Dec '23 indicate he moved again to a new lease he hated as well.
- He left the lease halfway through 2024 to vanlife.
- He moved into his current rental near Dec '24, location unknown but likely near mountains and a tax-free state.
In this clip, he talks about a random online fan in his DM potentially flying up to see him theoretically in the future, circa Oct '23. Which doesn't fit geographically with SoCal. But it's also too late in the timeline for NYC.
I suspect he's actually living somewhere in the PNW at this point, maybe WA or OR.
more clips
OF thots are talking about their generosity in spreading universal love via their OF work.
HM quietly draws a "Repent" cross in the background.
Superchatter says simps may save you, but Jesus won't.
HM counters that Jesus can even save slatternly e-whores.
HM talks about the spiritual aspect of sperm/egg, two bodies combining to be one flesh.
HM is asked to comment on whether it is an issue that both high body count women and men exist regarding future pair bonding and mate selection for LTR.
HM also comments further re: origins of his name.
- There does exist a small percentage of males, mostly in the West, that don't care about body count, will settle down, and marry hoes.
- But the math doesn't work out, can't have a plurality of hoes all settling down with 1% of guys who don't care about their past. The numbers just don't match, making the search for LTR more difficult.
- You can't have every girl living a hedonistic lifestyle and then try to pair up with the 5% of men who don't care down the road.
- "This is why I chose my [hoe_math] name, analyzing this stuff from a mathematical perspective."
- Men who are highly experienced sexually still want pure, modest women for LTR, not their promiscuous female equivalents.
Last clip from whatever pod, Oct 29th, 2023, 1h53m20s
HM dips out after this at the 2h mark, the whole pod was 5 hr.
- Good short clip of HM outlining his female hypergamy chart, Not People Zone
- "A male 5/10 can meet a stranger female 5/10 on the subway and think, "She's the one for me."
- "It doesn't work the other way. The 5/10 female doesn't fall for the 5/10 male stranger. She only wants the top men."
- Claims there's academic research backing his Not People Zone theory for unattractive, low-value men being invisible to women; says neuroimaging studies on women's brains show low-value men don't register as people, as if they are "not even there."
- HM used to drive for both Lyft and Uber.
- personally experienced the "Not People Zone" - high-value women with good jobs and lots of male attention would talk in his backseat like he wasn't even there, saying things one would never say in front of strangers
- hoe_math is a volcel.
- Single and NOT ready to mingle
- actively avoiding people
- isn't putting in any effort
- Deleted all apps
- moved to the woods
- taking lots of walks
- He's only interested in interacting with women through his hoe_math IP via DMs coming in from across the country.
- They are attracted to him without seeing his face, they like his voice. He finds this crazy.
- "One of them will fly up here eventually."
Note: He gives a geographic clue here.
- During COVID and the subsequent 2 unemployed, depressed, lockdown studio apartment years, he lived in an East Coast blue city (likely NYC).
- Then he "flew across the country to stay in a crappy basement apartment" previously assumed to be in SoCal.
- He also previously lived in San Francisco (timeline unclear).
- He really loves Washington State, this would be his 1st choice if not for local politics.
- His livestreams between Nov and Dec '23 indicate he moved again to a new lease he hated as well.
- He left the lease halfway through 2024 to vanlife.
- He moved into his current rental near Dec '24, location unknown but likely near mountains and a tax-free state.
In this clip, he talks about a random online fan in his DM potentially flying up to see him theoretically in the future, circa Oct '23. Which doesn't fit geographically with SoCal. But it's also too late in the timeline for NYC.
I suspect he's actually living somewhere in the PNW at this point, maybe WA or OR.
more clips
OF thots are talking about their generosity in spreading universal love via their OF work.
HM quietly draws a "Repent" cross in the background.
Superchatter says simps may save you, but Jesus won't.
HM counters that Jesus can even save slatternly e-whores.
HM talks about the spiritual aspect of sperm/egg, two bodies combining to be one flesh.
HM is asked to comment on whether it is an issue that both high body count women and men exist regarding future pair bonding and mate selection for LTR.
HM also comments further re: origins of his name.
- There does exist a small percentage of males, mostly in the West, that don't care about body count, will settle down, and marry hoes.
- But the math doesn't work out, can't have a plurality of hoes all settling down with 1% of guys who don't care about their past. The numbers just don't match, making the search for LTR more difficult.
- You can't have every girl living a hedonistic lifestyle and then try to pair up with the 5% of men who don't care down the road.
- "This is why I chose my [hoe_math] name, analyzing this stuff from a mathematical perspective."
- Men who are highly experienced sexually still want pure, modest women for LTR, not their promiscuous female equivalents.
Last clip from whatever pod, Oct 29th, 2023, 1h53m20s
HM dips out after this at the 2h mark, the whole pod was 5 hr.
- Good short clip of HM outlining his female hypergamy chart, Not People Zone
- "A male 5/10 can meet a stranger female 5/10 on the subway and think, "She's the one for me."
- "It doesn't work the other way. The 5/10 female doesn't fall for the 5/10 male stranger. She only wants the top men."
- Claims there's academic research backing his Not People Zone theory for unattractive, low-value men being invisible to women; says neuroimaging studies on women's brains show low-value men don't register as people, as if they are "not even there."
- HM used to drive for both Lyft and Uber.
- personally experienced the "Not People Zone" - high-value women with good jobs and lots of male attention would talk in his backseat like he wasn't even there, saying things one would never say in front of strangers
On April 1st, HM collaborated with other manosphere youtuber Rich Cooper.
Pretty sure Rich Cooper partially phonebooks hoe_math as "Matt" (he specifically says "Matt" instead of "hoe" or "math"). Unless hoe_math specifically chose it as a fake pseudonym.
NOTES
- hoe_math compared his work to GradeAUnderA.
- Inspiration to start hoe_math? "I was cranky, did a scribble response video to a TikTok, and got 3.8 million views."
- After COVID job loss [and studio apartment depression], "was living in mother's extra home" in July 2023 when the 1st TT went viral.
- "I'll have a cool car one of these days," "I'm a car relier, not a car guy."
- Fitness: presently still lifting, still doing cardio, still eating right, no junk food like in youth
- At age 26, gf had a party with his old high school friends (after he started going to the gym). They didn't recognize him; he was completely different. His high school friends were mostly the same.
- There's a video of Tupac being redpilled, saying women don't respond to what they say they want, but they do if you do what they say not to.
- His body peaks: fattest: 5'11", 265 lbs, 46-inch waist; fittest: 188 lbs, 34"
- Still in 2025, prefers to isolate, socialize and get everything delivered.
- Jung/Freud - "The husband is a replacement for the beloved."
- HM had a "redpill rage" phase after discovering the true nature of women (not nice, not the better sex, transactional, hypergamist, can't just love an average guy for "being himself," aren't attracted to nice guys).
- came to peace with things via stoicism: "Can't get mad at the ocean and try to bail it out with a cup."
- "Too much bitterness in the world today, not enough gratitude, overreactions to not getting what you want (leftists burning Teslas)
- Always wanted to be a life coach since 2011, gave similar counseling to friends for years prior to going viral
- Has previously lived in two large cities—NYC and SF.
- When HM gets stressed, his degenerative stress reaction tends to be paranoia.
- thinks Everybody Loves Raymond was a psyop, 10/10 examples from John Gottman's research on factors predicting divorce, Deborah constantly yelling at beta Ray Romano "You idiot!"
- HM - not planning on kids, no innate desire for children
- Rich Zoomer from Spring 2024 wanted kids with him, would've pursued if related worked out, amenable to kids with her
- doesn't envision/imagine kids in future plans
- "What do you get criticized for most?"
- HM - Incel, Libtard boilerplate ad hominems, threatened for telling the truth, critics are ignorant, haven't watched his whole library
- RC - "Why the anonymous approach to channel?"
- HM - Didn't originally plan to be anonymous , but TikTok fame went viral overnight.
- decided to guard ID pretty tightly very quickly afterwards
- remains cautious after experiencing how people acted during COVID and George Floyd
- His entire pre-COVID 2019 life was dependent on a big city social group, they mistreated him during COVID.
- Now famous, he never wants to see them again.
Social media metrics
- TikTok, views way down, mostly demonetized, barely posts
- YT, doing well, several million monthly views, sub growth 17k/month, shooting for 1 million
HM - aware of details of Nick Fuentes' gunmen coming to his house, worried about similar
"I'm not necessarily a conservative."
Worries about swatting of right-wing figures
Not worried about the fallout of potential phone phonebooking, will deal if it occurs.
Cross-country vanlife arc
- Between Aug-Nov '24, drove to every potential new home state 2x
- "I've never made it a secret I'm originally from New England."
- Visited Rudyard at his home during the tour, speaks of Lynch positively
- Two Americas problem: one sane (red states), one with beautiful nature (CA, CO, WA, OR)
- Loves Northern Cali nature, won't live in CA, they steal your money, can't defend self, loves coast of OR, WA
- During BLM riots, I lived in the best neighborhood in a big city. Within 1 day, crime moved in. I saw people attacked, carjackings, and gunshots from my bedroom window.
- sees TN (Knoxville) and TX as sane
- Current shortlist: ME, NH, Lake Tahoe, NV, TX, WA. Already renting near one right now, looking to buy.
- Does not like FL, lots of experience in youth via family, too flat, too hot, doesn't like clientele
- Rich Cooper, who is a Canadian from Toronto, wants to move to either the Caribbean or Appalachia.
- HM - Mother gave him a Toyota Corolla; he used it for Uber.
- Favorite experience: going to Rockies, some Jackson Park
- doesn't ski or snowboard, only 3x skiing lifetime
RC - "How did money change you?"
HM - Not much. Poor most of his adult life, he knows how to survive cheap.
- Currently lives near mountains, 1300 mth/rent
- Biggest luxury: $20/lb grocery steak
- enjoying finally being able to spend money on women for proper dates
- Only done 2x so far, one was Spring '24 Zoomer girl, another during Fall '24 vanlife arc with another woman
Upcoming projects?
- Next video: Psyops
- Publishing a tweet book
HM reveals he's currently talking to a new e-girl fan.
RC - Be careful, "Question when the rabbit chooses to approach the hunter."
HM - finds it a strange new experience that online women are finally more interested in his investment/status for once in his life (before even seeing his face) rather than decades of rizz and bad boy poverty.
His latest interview, as of April 3rd, 2025, was with Fresh & Fit.
Here's a clip, though, of hoe_math confirming he's still waffling on changing the "hoe_math" branding to "Soul_math" to placate normies and women to try to branch out to a more female audience.
Not in the clip, but he did mention on the episode that his audience split is still 90/10 male 18 months in.
He also mentioned his more "based" male audience members have threatened to unsub if he drops the meme title for female appeasement.
The context of this clip is that bluepilled influencers like Hasan Piker give bad-faith egalitarian relationship advice to normal guys but are isolated from their purported ideology's consequences because they are protected by their wealth and fame.
Myron Gaines makes the assertion that one has to be at least somewhat "conservative" to accept the red pill and understand women's true nature.
hoe_math talks about his journey of becoming politically redpilled, starting around 2008 with Obama (not in the clip), then while he lived in "two major cities" between 2013 and 2022 (one previously confirmed to be SF, the other assumed to be NYC).
He describes how his friends and men in those cities simply exist in an environment where they are encouraged to simp and virtue signal for "good boy points."
hoe_math then describes a cheeky anecdote during the time driving for Uber where a city bugman passenger in his car literally "began shaking" when HM said something "too far." Where the passenger proceeded to accuse HM of being "a spy" trying to entrap him by association to rat him out to his social group and have him canceled.
Otherwise, there was nothing particularly revelatory in the episode.
Contact Inf_hoe
HM has decent OPSEC, so we couldn't find out how he looks or where he lives.
This is the only picture that he has shared of himself online. It's an older picture of him.
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Levels:https://levelcheck.ai/ | Levels Archive
Linktree:https://linktr.ee/hoe_math | Linktree Archive
AI Self-Improvement Course:https://www.selfmax.ai/ | Selfmax Archive
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Ko-fi:https://ko-fi.com/hoemath | Ko-fi Archive
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Levels:https://levelcheck.ai/ | Levels Archive
Linktree:https://linktr.ee/hoe_math | Linktree Archive
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Ko-fi:https://ko-fi.com/hoemath | Ko-fi Archive
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Huge Thanks to: @Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown , @Inside your walls and @my penis is on fire who contributed in the making of this thread!
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