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I've been brewing wine at home for a year: it is ridiculously easy, and for a modest outlay for equipment (mostly plastic buckets and bottles) and raw materials (pre-measured quantities of grape juice, cleaning agents, yeast and fining chemicals), I can knock out plonk that can compete with mid-range supermarket stuff for just over a pound a bottle. More expensive kits containing more grape juice produce quite outstanding wines.
If you enjoy a cheap tipple, I recommend you give homebrew a try: if you follow the instructions, you cannot fuck it up, and you will experience the magic of a micro organism turning juice into alcohol. Also, a batch is 5 gallons, so you can host a Bacchanalian orgy every couple of weeks.
Do any Kiwis have tales of homebrew? Beer, Mead, mash for moonshine?
 
A few years ago I made some very low-grade "wine" out of orange juice and high-power yeast called "liquor quik". Tasted like farts but was definitely alcoholic, and I called it chienlit which is a French term that roughly translates to "shit the bed". I've thought about picking it back up again and actually trying to make something that tastes good this time.
 
Hoping for muscadine eiswein next year, so global warming can ctfo. The frosts last year were all fucked up.

If the sun & moon behave, it should be pretty stout; but might induce instant alcoholic diabetes without a tonic mixer.

A few years ago I made some very low-grade "wine" out of orange juice and high-power yeast called "liquor quik". Tasted like farts but was definitely alcoholic, and I called it chienlit which is a French term that roughly translates to "shit the bed". I've thought about picking it back up again and actually trying to make something that tastes good this time.

Normal yeast & sugar doesn't provide the goods alone; it'll provide incomplete & weak fermentation.
You need the malt, or pure enzyme additive..... which can be a bitch & expensive to source.

Pro-tip:
Grape Nuts.

Add enough cracked/ground corn?

Barleycorn.
No need for extra sugar even, though that'll speed it up and boost the octane.

Do any Kiwis have tales of homebrew? Beer, Mead, mash for moonshine?

Speaking of Kiwi shit.

If I find enough pure, unblended honey to make it worthwhile, I plan on making manuka-mead before I die.
 
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Necroing for lockdown reasons: not long after the UK closed down, I checked on some wine in three carboys that I had totally neglected and assumed would be vinegar: it was all totally fine. This was stuff I had started before my OP in March 2019, not in bottles, just left in plastic carboys. One had a dry airlock, which means it was exposed to oxidation, but was still perfectly drinkable. The red, which was a pricey kit (around £100) is a fantastic wine I'd happily pay 10 to 15 quid a bottle for (a kit will produce about 27-28 bottles). It's practically impossible to fuck this up. Fellow wine drinking Kiwis, unless you are as rich as Croesus and enjoy expensive French vintages, get fermenting, save big bucks, and stick it to the man (no alcohol duty)!
 
I've been brewing mead for the last six months. I'm finally getting to the point where I can do the "best practice" process pretty reliably and get a product that people might actually drink.

I have three old batches that are so shitty that even I don't want to drink them: strawberry (which tastes like a bandaid, a common problem when brewing with strawberries), blueberry cardamom, and apple cinnamon. I'm brewing a traditional batch right now to blend with them and see if I can cover up some of the shittiness.

Now that I'm out of my newbie phase, I have a Lehua blossom honey and passion fruit batch that I'll be lightly dry hopping and then carbonating. I have a Mamane blossom cyser made with freshly pressed apple cider, which I'll flavor with mulling spices in the secondary. I just started a coffeemel that's Meadowfoam (tastes like a toasted marshmallow) honey in a gallon of my homemade cold brew coffee, which I'll likely oak in the secondary.

And I have five half-gallon traditional taster batches; I brew one every time I buy a new honey varietal just to get a baseline for the taste each honey produces (Lehua, Mamane, lemon blossom, Meadowfoam, and coffee blossom).

This week, I'll be starting 3 gallons of an ale style mead using coffee blossom honey and my leftover Irish Ale yeast. Next week when Fireweed honey is back in stock, I'll be starting a Moscow Mule mead with that honey and Kveik Lutra yeast on a heating pad because that strain needs 90-100°F temps to ferment, then I'll put ginger juice and lime zest in the secondary and carbonate it to mimic a mule.

I've been considering an oaked maple bacon acerglyn (uses maple syrup instead of honey), but getting bacon flavor into it is a logistical challenge.

Always looking for other recipe suggestions from all my creative KF comrades.
 
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I've been brewing mead for the last six months. I'm finally getting to the point where I can do the "best practice" process pretty reliably and get a product that people might actually drink.

I have three old batches that are so shitty that even I don't want to drink them: strawberry (which tastes like a bandaid, a common problem when brewing with strawberries), blueberry cardamom, and apple cinnamon. I'm brewing a traditional batch right now to blend with them and see if I can cover up some of the shittiness.

Now that I'm out of my newbie phase, I have a Lehua blossom honey and passion fruit batch that I'll be lightly dry hopping and then carbonating. I have a Mamane blossom cyser made with freshly pressed apple cider, which I'll flavor with mulling spices in the secondary. I just started a coffeemel that's Meadowfoam (tastes like a toasted marshmallow) honey in a gallon of my homemade cold brew coffee, which I'll likely oak in the secondary.

And I have five half-gallon traditional taster batches; I brew one every time I buy a new honey varietal just to get a baseline for the taste each honey produces (Lehua, Mamane, lemon blossom, Meadowfoam, and coffee blossom).

This week, I'll be starting 3 gallons of an ale style mead using coffee blossom honey and my leftover Irish Ale yeast. Next week when Fireweed honey is back in stock, I'll be starting a Moscow Mule mead with that honey and Kveik Lutra yeast on a heating pad because that strain needs 90-100°F temps to ferment, then I'll put ginger juice and lime zest in the secondary and carbonate it to mimic a mule.

I've been considering an oaked maple bacon acerglyn (uses maple syrup instead of honey), but getting bacon flavor into it is a logistical challenge.

Always looking for other recipe suggestions from all my creative KF comrades.
Bloody hell! This is magnificent KF brewing 'tism: are you pressing all the fruit yourself or using juice/concentrate? If you have a straight up mead recipe that works, please share: I have access to raw honey and comb, but haven't been arsed to get a batch on yet.
 
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Bloody hell! This is magnificent KF brewing 'tism: are you pressing all the fruit yourself or using juice/concentrate? If you have a straight up mead recipe that works, please share: I have access to raw honey and comb, but haven't been arsed to get a batch on yet.
For my first shitty fruited batches that I'm trying to save, I used whole fruit that was pectinase'd and also cold macerated. Unfortunately, whole fruit is a lot of annoyance. It floats in the carboy, sometimes to the extent that it's entirely dry and starts clogging your airlock. It also has to be punched down 1-2 times a day to prevent mold from growing. And strawberries specifically create a disgusting flavor and smell that is almost identical to the smell of a Bandaid if you use them any longer than a few days. My passion fruit batch used puree in both the primary and secondary, and its fruit flavor is extremely pronounced, but without the pain of using larger chunks. Honestly, until I decide I want to try a grape wine, I'll probably stick to puree or juice. It's so much less annoying.

Avoid comb in brewing. While some beekeepers convinced me that my first batches taste bad because of thymol taint from my wife treating her hives for mites, I'm convinced it's because she waited too long to bring the frames to me for extraction and the honey began absorbing moisture from the air and prematurely fermenting in the comb, pulling nasty pine sap or propolis flavors out of the wax. Just get some quality honey from a seller with unique varietals. Honeycomb is really absorbent and tends to pull odors and flavors from its surroundings.

If you want a "straight up mead", the recipe is just a good honey, good water, and an appropriate yeast:
-My favorite honey on earth is Lehua ($50 per 10 pound bag from Wao Kele). It has a distinct tropical fruit taste.
-Go to any grocery store and buy gallons of filtered spring water, not distilled; tap water is perfectly fine, but it depends on your local water quality, and you want to get a publicly available report to find out the amounts of chloride and chloramine in it to avoid their effects on fermentation (which can be mitigated if your water is high in these).
-Go read Lalvin's spec sheets on their yeasts and use one that preserves varietal flavors of whatever ingredients you're using. DV10 and D47 preserve honey varietals. QA23 and 71B preserve fruit notes. These can all be bought in 5g packets, and you only need about 2g per gallon. But they have about 30 strains, so read the spec sheet and see if another one sounds more appealing than what I suggested. And then there's White Labs and SafAle and Red Star and a few other big brands with lots of other strains.

If you want a simple but great one:
-2.4 lbs of your favorite honey
-Filtered water to 1.0 gallon, stir and aerate well.
-Hydrate 1.3g Go-Ferm, then throw in 1g of DV10; I'm sure you know to let it adjust to temperature and SG before pitching.
-This starts at 1.086 (11.5% when dry). Once it's dry, let it sit on lees for a week until it floculates, then rack onto stabilizers, wait 24 hours, and backsweeten with 5 oz of the same honey.
-Acid/tannin/oak to personal taste.
That's as basic as it gets, but still tastes amazing. DV10 is really good at letting the honey's uniqueness come through.
 
I've been brewing mead for the last six months. I'm finally getting to the point where I can do the "best practice" process pretty reliably and get a product that people might actually drink.

I have three old batches that are so shitty that even I don't want to drink them: strawberry (which tastes like a bandaid, a common problem when brewing with strawberries), blueberry cardamom, and apple cinnamon. I'm brewing a traditional batch right now to blend with them and see if I can cover up some of the shittiness.

Now that I'm out of my newbie phase, I have a Lehua blossom honey and passion fruit batch that I'll be lightly dry hopping and then carbonating. I have a Mamane blossom cyser made with freshly pressed apple cider, which I'll flavor with mulling spices in the secondary. I just started a coffeemel that's Meadowfoam (tastes like a toasted marshmallow) honey in a gallon of my homemade cold brew coffee, which I'll likely oak in the secondary.

And I have five half-gallon traditional taster batches; I brew one every time I buy a new honey varietal just to get a baseline for the taste each honey produces (Lehua, Mamane, lemon blossom, Meadowfoam, and coffee blossom).

This week, I'll be starting 3 gallons of an ale style mead using coffee blossom honey and my leftover Irish Ale yeast. Next week when Fireweed honey is back in stock, I'll be starting a Moscow Mule mead with that honey and Kveik Lutra yeast on a heating pad because that strain needs 90-100°F temps to ferment, then I'll put ginger juice and lime zest in the secondary and carbonate it to mimic a mule.

I've been considering an oaked maple bacon acerglyn (uses maple syrup instead of honey), but getting bacon flavor into it is a logistical challenge.

Always looking for other recipe suggestions from all my creative KF comrades.
So I'm venturing into making mead and this is literally the first time I've ever tried anything like this. My first batch has been fermenting for 28 days and everything has been going good up until like a week ago. This cloudy ring is forming at the top of the jar (not the clumpy yellow stuff, I'm not worried about that but the cloudy white shit). I'm worried it's mold. It doesn't really look like mold though... or I mean it's not fuzzy or anything, but I'm not sure what it is. Is this normal or is my batch ruined?
 

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I'm worried it's mold. It doesn't really look like mold though... or I mean it's not fuzzy or anything, but I'm not sure what it is. Is this normal or is my batch ruined?
If it isn't fuzzy, it isn't mold. It just looks like yeast deposited on the glass. When I have a particularly vigorous fermentation, the foaming will deposit little blobs of yeast and nutrient on the side of the vessel. Probably fine. Does it smell okay?

Updates:

The Lehua passion fruit was done and ready to keg, but I decided it was a little too sweet for my taste, so I'm brewing a small batch of dry Lehua to blend with it. I bench trialled a little wine tannin into it for some complexity. It's a strong fruit bomb, very strong passion fruit taste.

The cyser came out of primary tasting like a professional brew. I backsweetened to 1.008 and then put clove, cinnamon, allspice, and nutmeg in there. Just racked it off the spices. Once it clears, it'll go in my second keg.

The dry Irish Ale is done fermenting and tastes amazing. It's racked, and I'm waiting for it to clear. I have no idea what I'll do with it. I might just carb it.

Two acerglyn gallons going, one with amber maple syrup and one with dark. These are about 14.5% so I'll probably just backsweeten and oak these and leave them traditional.

Three new half-gallon tasters, Basswood, Macadamia, and Fireweed.

Now I have 5.5 gallons of Meadowfoam traditional going, set to end about 15.5%. I'll be racking this onto 5 split vanilla beans and a medium French oak spiral. Really excited about this one.
 
If it isn't fuzzy, it isn't mold. It just looks like yeast deposited on the glass. When I have a particularly vigorous fermentation, the foaming will deposit little blobs of yeast and nutrient on the side of the vessel. Probably fine. Does it smell okay?
Thanks for the reply. Yeah it smells good. I'll keep an eye on it just in case but thanks for the relief. I'm super excited to see how this turns out. Im just doing straight honey for the first batch. Didn't want to get crazy with something I have no experience with. How do you control the dryness of the mead? Is it just about how long you let it ferment?
 
Thanks for the reply. Yeah it smells good. I'll keep an eye on it just in case but thanks for the relief. I'm super excited to see how this turns out. Im just doing straight honey for the first batch. Didn't want to get crazy with something I have no experience with. How do you control the dryness of the mead? Is it just about how long you let it ferment?
It's a good idea to start with batches that are just honey and water. Properly balancing a traditional is difficult, and you're going to be a much stronger brewer in the long run if you start with something that doesn't let you use adjuncts as a crutch to avoid having to balance properly because you can cover up imperfection with fruit or spices.

You control the dryness by backsweetening. Most yeasts will ferment things totally dry within their alcohol tolerance. If you want it less dry, you stabilize and then backsweeten to your desired sweetness. Stopping fermentation prematurely isn't really the best way to do it.
 
What equipment do y'all use? I've been using the basic Homebrew Ohio 1 Gal kit to take baby steps and practice with. I do want to move up to 5 gallon batches.
 
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I got a brew kit for Christmas and this is my first time doing anything.

On the right is a batch that I started on Christmas day. It contains:

2.5 lbs of honey.
-The honey isn't anything special because I didn't want to spend a lot of money on something I've never done before and could be terrible at. I think the brand is called Pure N' Simple. I got it at Walmart for like $35 for 10 lbs.

1 packet of yeast (5g)
-I did research and found that you only really need 2.5 grams, but was also told that using 5 grams doesn't really hurt anything and I was only making 1 gallon for the time being, so I said fuck it. The strain of yeast I chose K1-V1116 for no reason in particular other than it being recommended by a brewer I follow on Instagram. I also added 1 tsp of yeast nutrient.

1 gallon of water.

That's it. That's the mix. Just plain, old mead. As of now, the mead is sitting at about 14.4% abv. A week ago, I added Bentenite to help clear it up. After doing some research, I will, from now on, be adding that in the beginning of the batch (except with this next batch we're going to talk about because I forgot) because it seems to have better results for clarifying the mead. Anyways, I'm killing the fermentation (my yeast is having a second wind i guess), racking it later today, and adding Sparkolloid for further clarification. The taste was surprising. I wasn't expecting it considering all it is is honey, yeast, and water. The flavor profile is very... tropical? I don't know how to explain it. It's a bit dry and I know I can back-sweeten it with honey, but I kinda don't want to. I like the taste. The alcohol flavor is a bit strong, but I'm hoping that will mellow out with time. I'll be bottle-aging them after I've racked them. I'm doing one bottle for 1 month, one for 3 month, and one for 6 months to see how much aging affects the flavor.

As for the batch on the left. There's not much to say. I started it yesterday. It has all the same ingredients, except I'm using a gallon of apple juice instead of water. Oh and I only used 2.5g of yeast in this one because after I rack my first batch today, I'm going to start on a melomel, but I'm not sure what type of fruit I want to use yet, but anyway I'll be using the other half of the packet in this.
 
It's a good idea to start with batches that are just honey and water. Properly balancing a traditional is difficult, and you're going to be a much stronger brewer in the long run if you start with something that doesn't let you use adjuncts as a crutch to avoid having to balance properly because you can cover up imperfection with fruit or spices.

You control the dryness by backsweetening. Most yeasts will ferment things totally dry within their alcohol tolerance. If you want it less dry, you stabilize and then backsweeten to your desired sweetness. Stopping fermentation prematurely isn't really the best way to do it.
Thank you for all your advice. It's been very helpful and reassuring.

What equipment do y'all use? I've been using the basic Homebrew Ohio 1 Gal kit to take baby steps and practice with. I do want to move up to 5 gallon batches.
My first kit was from Golden Hive Mead on IG. The other 2 are just some cheap shit I found on Amazon because I got so excited about my first batch that I wanted to start another 2 immediately and didn't want to wait for shipping.
 
What equipment do y'all use? I've been using the basic Homebrew Ohio 1 Gal kit to take baby steps and practice with. I do want to move up to 5 gallon batches.
I use 6.5, 5.5, and 1.4 gallon Big Mouth Bubblers for my primaries, and 5, 3, and 1 gallon carboys for my secondaries.

Glass hydrometer with glass graduated cylinder, glass wine thief, plastic auto-siphon, milligram scale, metal measuring spoons, disposable weighing boats. Magnetic stirplate and Erlenmeyer flask for yeast starters. Three-piece airlocks in primaries, S-bubble airlocks in secondaries.

I use as much glass as possible, because I hate plastic's porosity and propensity to absorb odors.

I added Bentenite to help clear it up. After doing some research, I will, from now on, be adding that in the beginning of the batch
Yeah, a bentonite slurry has to be added at pitching.

The alcohol flavor is a bit strong, but I'm hoping that will mellow out with time.
It will. The jet fuel always ages out pretty well.

It has all the same ingredients, except I'm using a gallon of apple juice instead of water.
Nice, cysers are delicious. My 10% mulled cyser just finished keg carbonating.

Welcome to the mead community. You should watch Man Made Mead and Doin' The Most on YouTube, and join both of their Discord servers if you want a great and helpful community.

Just avoid City Steading Brews. Their advice is always shit, and they seem like a creepy middle aged couple that probably do pony play and wear lots of leather.
 
Welcome to the mead community. You should watch Man Made Mead and Doin' The Most on YouTube, and join both of their Discord servers if you want a great and helpful community.

Just avoid City Steading Brews. Their advice is always shit, and they seem like a creepy middle aged couple that probably do pony play and wear lots of leather.
Thanks for the tip! I'll check them out.
 
Well, the cyser WAS good. I added those mulling spices, and I learned that the best way to add clove to a brew is to set the clove on a shelf 20 feet from the brewing vessel. The clove flavor was so overwhelming that I was embarrassed to let anyone taste it and just drank it myself over the last few months.

The acerglyns were finished and bottled. I took them on a trip to Texas (mead capital of America) and let two professional meadmakers try it. They seemed really surprised at how good it was, given it was the first batch I've bottled, and said it was almost perfect.

I haven't done anything with the 3 gallons of Irish Ale mead, but I ordered about a pound of Vic Secret hops, so I'll dry hop it soon. Just waiting to figure out all the parts needed for my kegging setup so I can carbonate it immediately (because hopped brews have a shelf life, after which the extracted alpha acids oxidize and start tasting like a freshly mowed lawn).

Since my last post, I picked up several new exotic honeys: mango blossom, Christmas Berry blossom, Lychee/Longan blossom, and avocado blossom. Avocado blossom is absolutely insane. It's the darkest honey around, and it has a deep earthy toffee, almost molasses-like flavor. I made half-gallon taster batches with all these too.

I also have two small jars of Spotted Lanternfly honey; bees can't get nectar directly from ailanthus (tree of heaven) so they wait for the spotted lanternfly to chew on the wood. They eat the wood and poop out the sap as honeydew, then the bees eat the sweet, sticky secretion off leaves and barf it up into the honeycomb. The honey is very dark with an oaky, smoky taste. Sadly, because of how little bees can produce, it's very expensive, so I could only afford enough to make maybe a half-gallon of mead.

Started a 3-gallon acerglyn using what i learned from my first ones. The only things I'll change are slightly less malic acid, and I'll add some maltodextrin to give it some body.

My 5.5-gallon oaked vanilla batch got backsweetened with bocheted honey, but it's just been sitting around. I need to taste it and see what balance it needs.

Started a new cyser. I thought I wanted everything to be high-ABV when I was new, but I want this one to be 5-6% so it's more accessible. I'm waiting for an open brewing vessel to rack it into so I can add 3 lbs of gala, fuji, and honeycrisp apple chunks, then I'll backsweeten and let it sit on a cinnamon stick for a couple of weeks before clearing and keg carbonating.

I made two cherry vanilla batches using cherry concentrate from a company that squeezes and concentrates then bottles and ships it the same week you order. One is sack strength (about 14.5%). The other is weaker (about 9%, but I'm considering blending it with something even weaker to make it more drinkable for normies) and will be keg carbonated. Backsweetened to 1.040 and 1.030 respectively. The cherry flavor is unbelievably good, and they're both sitting on vanilla beans now.

Also made a macadamia traditional to about 1.180. Going to let the yeast's natural alcohol tolerance naturally stop fermentation around 1.050, then I'll soak an amburana wood spiral in white rum and let it age on it for a short time. Amburana infuses so quickly that you pretty much have to taste it every day to make sure it doesn't overextract.

My most recent batch is an avocado blossom bochet. Bocheted 80% of the honey to a red caramel color (about 60 minutes of boiling) and the remaining 20% to a burned color (90 minutes). It's done fermenting, but I don't have an open vessel to rack it into. When I do, I'll backsweeten to 1.040-1.060 with a blend of more bocheted honey and maple syrup, then maybe oak it.

I've accumulated so much brewing stuff that I had to buy Home Depot's largest wire shelf (4 feet wide, 2 feet deep, 6 feet tall; holds 2.5 tons of weight) to store it all on. Large brews and boxes of bottles on the bottom shelf, 1-gallon brews on the second lowest shelf, about 150 pounds of honey and most of my tools/chemicals/additives on the next one up, and flatter things (scale, oak spirals, bags of powder) on the very thin top shelf. Since the shelf is nearly full, I haven't bought any more brewing vessels, and this is becoming a problem because I have nothing to rack my active ferments into when they finish. It's a real conundrum.
 
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