How easy/hard it is to fail in USA universities?

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I've heard at work that it is extremely hard for Uni students in the USA to be actually kicked out for bad grades, due to how the entire upper education being a business rather than an institute, is that real? In my country there are classes meant specifically to filter out weak students early.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

I mean it depends what school you're going to, what major you're taking, each place has different policies.
I majored in engineering and our calculus classes were brutal, a significant portion of the class dropped out each time. But Engineering is also a useful degree with hardcore classes. I imagine retarded degrees like gender studies are the equivalent of walk and talk with friends.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Yes, in my department the "good standing" GPA was anything above 2.0
The average? 3.5

 

[Chilson]

Its extremely difficult to get kicked out if your going for easy or "soft" majors, which is every major that isn't a "hard" major (and in my opinion should have never existed in the first place as a college major).

Its extremely easy to be filtered out of hard majors like medicine, engineering, chemistry, physics, etc. because they require genuine talent, work ethic interest and grit to get through due to the demanding standards the field will ask of those who work in it.

 

[Asian tech support]

I think a lot of people can see the writing on the wall and drop out rather than get the boot. Even niggers do this and they're overwhelmingly in bullshit majors.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

You have to try and fail or have something major happen for you to fail. Most universities are basically daycares for young adults nowadays now that standards have been dropped exponentially from when they were more exclusive with who they permitted in. With graduate school, that filtering process kicks in, however I'm of the opinion that there should be tiered university levels: one for people who aren't strong in any academic field to learn a trade so they become useful to society, another for your normalfag who isn't strong in academics but wants to learn skills for white collar work, one for art/music majors that actually want to learn the skills needed to make good art and not erstaz globohomo nonsense, one for classicists and the last for future scientific/mathematical academics and engineers that have the intellect, work ethic and talent to make it as a researcher/engineer. Putting all these different groups of people in the same place is borderline retarded and something I would expect of our brain damaged baby boomer overlords (with maybe an exception for the last three groups since you do need genuine talent, skill and interest in order to succeed in the latter three fields in the sense of being an actually talented individual and not another retard trying to get your basic bitch white collar job).

 

[KittyGremlin]

I mean it depends what shade of nigger you are.

ftfy

also engineering is a based career choice, not likely for midwits to fake their way into it too.

 

[Troonos]

Impossible to fail if you're a nigger.

If you're white, expect no mercy.

 

[oldTireWater]

In my experience the STEM fields will fail people out, but most professors curve so heavily that if one is determined they can absolutely get through on grit alone (without an ounce of intelligence or talent).

engineering is a based career choice, not likely for midwits to fake their way into it too.

Hard disagree on that. Networking and persistence will get the stupidest motherfucker through an engineering program. Once in the workforce people skills are more important than knowledge, even in engineering. A 1:20 ratio of big-noggins to outgoing, enthusiastic retards is all an organization needs. Most real engineering work is just copying other peoples work anyway.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

As long as you're paying completely out of pocket, I don't think there's much of anything they could do unless you live on campus.

Kind of like how if you want to become a priest, the diocese will always find a vocation in someone willing to pay the entire cost of seminary.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

You're all fools. Just don't go to any classes or show up for any tests. Failing is effortless.

 

[JohnnyG]

In my experience the STEM fields will fail people out, but most professors curve so heavily that if one is determined they can absolutely get through on grit alone (without an ounce of intelligence or talent).

In my program, it was not uncommon for professors to do things like give midterms with 150 points possible, with the average landing around 75-80 and maybe a 10 point standard deviation.

I assume the point was to give most of the class numerical grades that looked something like a 100 point scale (so a bunch of kids in 80s who knew that was roughly a B, fewer in the 90s, etc), with room for a few true outliers scoring 125 or whatever (presumably identified as future grad students), and a few true failing grades.

So there weren't many at risk of actually failing out, but a lot of stress about being on that line between B and C (compared to the soft majors in the lib arts school, where actual grade inflation meant some effort for an A or minimal effort for a B).

 

[AnsemSoD1]

I can't really speak for university, but college, especially online college, is a fucking joke let me tell you.

 

[Otterly]

It’s got a lot softer in the UK as well. I did my degree last century . We had classes in the first year that were very obvious filters and a lot dropped out - they tended not to fail out completely but get moved to related but much easier courses like biology.
Ten years after getting my degree I was teaching at a UK uni and being told off by the administration for marking work correctly. Apparently even turning in a blank workbook with just your name on it was worth 55% or something, and nobody could get above 93% even if they’d been perfect.
It’s basically adult daycare these days outside some of the inherently harder courses.
These were medics I was teaching, by the way. And some needed to fail out but didn’t and now they’re actual NHS doctors, so enjoy that!

 

[JohnnyG]

Apparently even turning in a blank workbook with just your name on it was worth 55% or something, and nobody could get above 93% even if they’d been perfect.

Progressive/ghetto schools in the US have started this in recent years. It used to be that doing 0% of the work got you a 0% grade, but that's a Disparate Impact to the Systemically Racialized truants.

If you set the minimum to 50%, that's still failing, but if you can convince DuhMetrius and JuhKwanzaa to show up once or twice near the end of the semester and turn in an assignment, you can fudge things up a few points to a D- and pass them onto the next grade. Hence places like Baltimore having dozens of schools where zero students can read at grade level, and horrific percentages that "graduate" with no ability to read.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

and nobody could get above 93% even if they’d been perfect.

Do you know where this attitude comes from? It's common outside of the UK as well, but I could never identify any rational reasons for it. Still, I never had an actually good view into how university administration really works. It seems like students are prevented from both failing out and obtaining very high grades for their work.

 

[snowdunes]

Its extremely easy to be filtered out of hard majors like medicine, engineering, chemistry, physics, etc.

demanding standards the field will ask of those who work in it.

As someone who studies one of them (in the EU, Sweden) engineering has been mudded down with pseudo/political courses. I want to make a case that "engineering " does not have "demanding standards" any more.

In some countries they added a whole extra program for "environment" that really made me question the "demanding standards". You can now (since 1993) gain a "Master of Science in Engineering" diploma with very low level of difficulties of all the courses. Sure you must pass the mandatory introduction math courses (not that hard IMO), but after the first year, now instead of applying that, they added a bunch of low level of essay larping courses with zero application of said introduction courses. If you can pass a course without solving an equation: it's not engineering. God damnit, it's even a meme amongst STEM students now that instead of being a college dropout, you just switch over to environmental engineering instead, because it's retardedly easy to pass courses there.

Check the curriculum for how these new "engineering" programs differs from the old traditional ones, It's much less math and the advanced courses are not that advanced (for being a master degree level). IMO, these programs are shoehorned in together with the legit ones in order to create a legitimacy though association.

SKITZO POST INCOMING

Companies hires them because they are forced ("encouraged"...) to by EU regulations stating that "they need to do an effort to fight climate change" (often for gibbs money or being fined for not doing it), so they hire these retards as a "good measurement to improve sustainability" on paper, despite them having zero knowledge about optimization or basic chemistry etc. So it's desirable for corporations if these graduating students from this program are retarded to keep their idiocy from causing corporate damage, since they also end up working as inspectors, it's a "good thing" to keep more retards graduating so you can pick the most gullable ones out. Since they also got that "Master of Science in Engineering" title, you can use the salary bargain argument that "many others that are looking for work" in said position when hiring an actual engineer, low-balling the actual engineers even further (at entry level at least).

I know some people with say that the goverment regulates how many maximum attendees per programs there can be (to avoid diploma oversaturation causing salary crashes), but if it's another program (with a very vague description of what they are supposed to do), these new programs can shit out a lot students, and you with a specialised degree can't complain about it (on paper).

With HR departments and modern clown politics, there is now an economic incentive to keep actual low performing students graduating so you can lowball the well performing ones, even if their speciality is different.

Some other key points to why we are giving out STEM diplomas to retards/midwits

• Most jobs with numbers are just a fucking spreadsheet LARP (forget Matlab/mathematica or actual coding, just learn Microsoft 365...)
• Delay/hide unemployment statistics (this applies to the whole educational system tho...), because of STEM being the "le science" leading meme, it can lure more people into the larping and keep validating the "heckn' science" meme even further.
• "if you repeat a lie enough, it becomes the truth" - Having a bunch of young adults being ingrained with climate change memes for half a decade is a pretty effective brainwashing mechanism, they will be used as the "academic experts in climate and tech" for future political memes. A dedicated diploma at the same level of a physicists or a chemist will in the normies eye look "legit".
• Part of the infantilization (part depopulation) psyop: Historically, high school wasn't even mandatory and was often only reserved for future potential academics, now everybody goes to high school (and learns nothing). University/college is pretty much just an extended high school experience for most programs. Saying that you are going to study "engineering" will go home with most (blue collar) boomers.
• Part of the "fake economy" scheme: Make people think their future spreadsheet "job" is actually an "intellectual" task, that they are "special". But in reality it's all just busy work and universities are just there make an illusion that it's not. Now engineering is falling into this category.
• To make niggers and women included in the STEM by just having low standards and shittons of propaganda, so the egalitarian LARP can live on a little longer - "See chud, they are scientists n sheeit, your point is invalid now"

I might have gone into to how fucked academia is in general, but the same pseudo shit that other fields has had from the start is now leaking into engineering in a very noticeable way and it will eventually come for STEM as a whole.

TL;DR engineering is a meme (most of the time).

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I can't wait for academia to crash and burn.